What's the state of Pvp in your opinion?

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Proc vs Proc, Cheat engine still running rampant, Exploits, population imbalance, all kinds of broken sets macro slicing and the list goes on, ZOS not doing anything about it, state of pvp Bantha Poo Doo

But I still have fun, I must be some kind of masochist..LOL

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2016

Pvp is in the worst shape its ever been ,between pop imbalances, a dead map where there is only one fight, and mass pvdoor what a waste

I'm glad I get the new Skyrim special edition for free next week...it will be a few months before Cyrodiil recovers if it does at all

The PVE portion of the game is great, in fact it has never been better, but the pvp portion has suffered in reverse and is at the worst it ever has been...

zuto40 · October 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

I don't know any rotation that can break a sorcs shield at range. Shield up and drop deadric mines until you become more comfortable with PvP. It's a VERY steep learning, we were all face rolled for a long time before we improved.

My mageblade could do it with Flame reach>fully charged HA>swallow soul i ran a heavy attack build tho and the heavy attack needed to be empowered to break a good sorcs shields

Soris · October 2016

Rock, toilet paper, plastic scissors.

Carbonised · October 2016

PvP is laughable.

In PvE I use a MagDK with destro staff and light armor

In PvP, classic DPS MagDKs aren't viable. Destro staff really isn't viable, and light armor is by far the least viable of all 3 armor types.

In PvP I'm mostly just after the AP for my Akaviri motifs. With my superbly non-viable build, I couldn't care less about kills, duels or 1vX issues.

What I usually do is equip Vicious Death and Elegance sets, then use a lightning staff on 1 bar and resto staff along with plenty AoE healing on 2nd bar.

Find groups, find pugs, find keeps under attack, or friendly keeps that need defending. Then I set up my Coldfire sieges, siege quite a few people to death (you can get pretty good aiming these intelligently in a short while, and they're deadly), go around spamming healing non stop for those extra AP, while using the lightning staff heavy attacks and some skills for plenty of damage as well. Throw in a meteor ult every now and then, and hope the VD set goes off (though that has been a bit buggy as of lately).

Group damage is good, and you're ranged, survivability is alright in groups since you have shields and HoTs to keep yourself alive, and kills and AP is pretty good.

Of course, if you get caught out in the open or 1v1 you're pretty much dead against everyone but the worst noobs.

As an underdog (which is the position of most magicka PvP builds these days, especially your classic light armor staff dps build), quit any ideas about being 'viable' or standing your ground in the open world or 1v1. Keep near groups or other people at all times, defend keeps, attack keeps, use a lot of siege and find a strategy that you think is fun.
That at least is what keeps PvP somewhat bearable to me while i grind my AP for motifs and ranks and skill points.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

Players just farming the same gear sets to create the same builds for the classes and then PvP. Many builds out there all carbon copies of each other.

If your gear is mathematically better than your opponents' your chances of winning greatly increase without much effort. Even if your opponent has equal to slightly more experience than you do. Heavy armor is also a very safe bet for most these days across many builds. Unless you have an extremely optimized build that you are comfortable using, you will get ground-up into hamburger patties wearing medium armor.

Seeing a lot of builds these days rely on procs for most of the work done in a fight. I'm sure a lot of thought went into how everything works so I'm not going to sit here and criticize ZOS. But with my limited knowledge of the matter I have to wonder why these powerful proc attacks are allowed to pop every 4-6 seconds even with a 20% chance etc to go off.

Rylana · October 2016

Let's be honest. PvP hasnt ever been truly good in this game, but a year ago is was 400 percent better.

I retired for a reason, above and beyond anything else, I was tired of being one of the last originals still playing with the metababies. Got tired of playing zerg warfare with a bunch of failbads thinking they were good just because they could do what I told them word for word to do. Got tired of a great deal really, this was a thinking mans game, now its a spreadsheet game. A joke.

I miss the old guard, but they will never return, at least they had the sense to get out at the right time, a good number of us had to basically suffer until it became too much before we saw what they did.

Even if they were to come back, and you wont see me encouraging it, the parts of ESO that made PvP actually good and engaging, have been hacked and sawed off, replaced with watered down one shot mechanics and one size fits all megaburst builds. Zerg hard, or run a procset. There is no other way, and I am personally done with it, as so many before me. The days of the 6-12 mans fighting intense battles have gone, probably for good.

Sanct16 · October 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Let's be honest. PvP hasnt ever been truly good in this game, but a year ago is was 400 percent better.

I retired for a reason, above and beyond anything else, I was tired of being one of the last originals still playing with the metababies. Got tired of playing zerg warfare with a bunch of failbads thinking they were good just because they could do what I told them word for word to do. Got tired of a great deal really, this was a thinking mans game, now its a spreadsheet game. A joke.

I miss the old guard, but they will never return, at least they had the sense to get out at the right time, a good number of us had to basically suffer until it became too much before we saw what they did.

Even if they were to come back, and you wont see me encouraging it, the parts of ESO that made PvP actually good and engaging, have been hacked and sawed off, replaced with watered down one shot mechanics and one size fits all megaburst builds. Zerg hard, or run a procset. There is no other way, and I am personally done with it, as so many before me. The days of the 6-12 mans fighting intense battles have gone, probably for good.

I have to disagree about the 6-12 man part.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

EDIT - ugh never mind, this thread won't go well.

caeliusstarbreaker · October 2016

Honestly, the current state of pvp is making it immensely difficult to log in. The "content for gear," makes it irritating, in some cases, for me to try out the remaining builds that may have a chance at saving me from not logging in anymore.
All of it corresponds to the fun or lack of I'm having with the game. Game has been unbalanced for... Well forever, but I could always find some fun in it, mostly because of friends. With friends having left because of the state of the game, exponentially over time, plus my personal frustrations with game path... Who the hell knows anymore.

Added: frustrating.. Frustrating is a good word for it.

Derra · October 2016

I prefer the ppl running around in proccsets when compared to builds with trainee + bonepirate + 1 proccset.

I dislike that most competetive (and i mean the top setups - crafting isn´t competetive at all atm) are pve dropped and require massive farming.

I think the maximum grp size should be capped to 12 people.

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

it will be a few months before Cyrodiil recovers if it does at all

Agreed. Realistically, we can expect balancing to come Q1 of next year at the absolute earliest, and there's no guarantee that it'll fix most of Cyrodiil's problems, or even fix more problems than it introduces. I doubt Cyrodiil can survive 3-4 months in it's current state.

JaJaLuka · October 2016

ChildOfLight wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Magsorcs are great in PvP, and have great survivability too. Are you using shields? PvP also takes a lot of practice to get good.

Actually my two bar are:

Main bar - prismatic flame staff precise with cloudy damage health poison 9 (I am not able to end the Malestrom arena yet)

Crystal fragment
Crushing shock
Flame clench
mages' wrath
Lightining Flood
Energy overload

Second bar - Resto staff

Restraining prison
Healing ward
Hardened ward
Streak
Daedric Minefield
Suppression field

Tryxus wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Yesterday I decided to give a try to it with my full build Magika Sorc (5 julianos gold, 2 Nerien, 3 willpower) and I found it NOT FUNNY.

Julianos really isn't a good set for PvP, due to the fact that most ppl prefer to use Impenetrable gear which counters the Spell Crit bonuses Julianos gives. I would personally go for more sustain, like Lich or Seducer, and mix that with a strong set like Necropotence

For a Sorc, Illambris is definitely the best monster helm out there. Nerien'eth is kinda bad in PvP since most ppl will just dodge roll out of the crystals the moment they see the red circle underneath them. Other good monster sets are Valkyn Skoria or Infernal Guardian.

I will definetevely look for Ilambris set but I am not sure of switching Julianos for Seducer or Lich since my already low damage would fall to peak. I have not many problems with mana sustain since I am using magicka recover drinks.
My stats are:

Max magicka 33k spell damage: 1778
Health 11.7 k Spell crit: 44.2
Stamina 9.5 k Magika recover: 2594 (buffed)

Those stats are very low. If I were you I'd take the advice of the previous player too, seducer is far better in PvP than Julianos. With full seducer and 3x Willpower (with spell power enchanting) and one piece of Kena you should be sitting at about 2.4k spell damage.
A good trick on mag sorc at the moment is to go 5 piece heavy, 1 light, 1 medium. Slot elemental drain and boundless storm, those two together mean that you have tons of resistance plus every time you zap the melee guys you get magic back due to elemental drain. Try not to block anything that you don't absolutely have to, instead rely on your shields (move hardened ward to your main bar so you don't have to swap bars constantly), what this will do is save your stamina for breaking stuns/knockdowns etc. Use the CC cooldown as your stamina regen time, drink a potion (tri pots preferably during this stage of the fight), and be offensive here. You have to push him/her back or they'll just keep pushing you until you make a mistake and die. PvP at the moment is all about the burst, so you also need to think about timing your skills so they inflict as much damage as they can in a very short time. Basically before your opponent can get a heal off.
The last thing to consider is that you should expect to die during your first month or two if you're new to PvP. Take it on board and ask yourself why it happened, if you get frustrated walk away for a while. The guy you were fighting would have probably killed you no matter what class he was playing, that's simply because he was reading you better than you were him due to experience.

Ryuho · October 2016

I am just loging in to get my hirelings and to not be kicked from Guilds.. I stoped pvping completly.. Proc meta *** game experience for me, its just to much.. I am waiting for next major patch, it will be my last call for this game, hopefully devs wake up finally..

mchermie · October 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

i logged on to play pvp for the first time in OT. Every death recap was the same, proc sets, NBs, healing debuffs and the same skills used by everyone. It took an hour before i logged off.

Exactly the same for me Leo. Its just no fun these days..

Sugaroverdose · October 2016

It's in state when massive eso plus subscription drop starts, i also decided to cancel it.
ZoS don't want to communicate, fix performance issues and do things(balance?) right at all.

Manoekin · October 2016

Sanct16 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Let's be honest. PvP hasnt ever been truly good in this game, but a year ago is was 400 percent better.

I retired for a reason, above and beyond anything else, I was tired of being one of the last originals still playing with the metababies. Got tired of playing zerg warfare with a bunch of failbads thinking they were good just because they could do what I told them word for word to do. Got tired of a great deal really, this was a thinking mans game, now its a spreadsheet game. A joke.

I miss the old guard, but they will never return, at least they had the sense to get out at the right time, a good number of us had to basically suffer until it became too much before we saw what they did.

Even if they were to come back, and you wont see me encouraging it, the parts of ESO that made PvP actually good and engaging, have been hacked and sawed off, replaced with watered down one shot mechanics and one size fits all megaburst builds. Zerg hard, or run a procset. There is no other way, and I am personally done with it, as so many before me. The days of the 6-12 mans fighting intense battles have gone, probably for good.

I have to disagree about the 6-12 man part.

6-12 is very viable this patch actually, yeah. I will say though there is a limit to what you can do when way back there wasn't any limit really. There's still the occasional getting zerged down in the open field because you can't stop resses, and of course the never ending swarm of people that will just throw bodies at you until your ultimates run out and AOE caps do their job for them.

Did 525k ap last night with 6/7 people and really only died when we knowingly bit off more than we could chew. At one point ran up to the top level of Chalman milegate and the roughly 30ish EP up there already had the entire thing setup with fireballistas. Had to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

raviour · October 2016

PvP is in it's usual state though proc sets need a cooldown.

If you are new to PvP just remember you are gonna die a lot, the more experience you have the less you will die.

Cinbri · October 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Pvp is in the worst shape its ever been

^^ Glad I achieved everything in pvp before Cyro lost all сharm.
pve duels is pretty enough for pvping nowdays if you don't like 3 fps 1k latency zerg blobs spamming negates and destro ult everywhere.

Jaybe_Mawfaka · October 2016

Elder Zergs Online : Procs Unlimited

Serjustin19 · October 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Yesterday I decided to give a try to it with my full build Magika Sorc (5 julianos gold, 2 Nerien, 3 willpower) and I found it NOT FUNNY.

Julianos really isn't a good set for PvP, due to the fact that most ppl prefer to use Impenetrable gear which counters the Spell Crit bonuses Julianos gives. I would personally go for more sustain, like Lich or Seducer, and mix that with a strong set like Necropotence

For a Sorc, Illambris is definitely the best monster helm out there. Nerien'eth is kinda bad in PvP since most ppl will just dodge roll out of the crystals the moment they see the red circle underneath them. Other good monster sets are Valkyn Skoria or Infernal Guardian.

"Julianos really isn't a good set for PvP," I have learned something new lol. Thank you. Was wondering why my spell damage is 1790. Even though I am 480cp magicka dps. Wearing 3 transmutation jewerly. 5 kagrenac's hope and 4 julianos. (2 swords included for dual weild) (everything is level 160cp Purple) I just need to find better set now. Thank you for tips.

Psilent · October 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Pvp is in the worst shape its ever been ,between pop imbalances, a dead map where there is only one fight, and mass pvdoor what a waste

I'm glad I get the new Skyrim special edition for free next week...it will be a few months before Cyrodiil recovers if it does at all

The PVE portion of the game is great, in fact it has never been better, but the pvp portion has suffered in reverse and is at the worst it ever has been...

Where do you go to claim your free Skyrim this week?

Ghostbane · October 2016

Whilst there are many complaints with the proc builds, game performance, I am really enjoying pvp the past few days. I am having the most consistent fun on mDK in months.

Pathfinder · October 2016

Overall I think it is pretty good. The only thing that need to be brought into line is the stam/proc meta and ZoS still needs to address pop imbalances. A lot of my friends have come back to the game and using duels to test/tweak our builds really has helped. I am in more smaller fights than before thanks to the towns and IC.

Magus · October 2016

The only time that I can think of PVP being worse in this game is when caltrops absorbed all damage a month after launch. Other than that, this is the worst PVP has been.

DHale · October 2016

Still having a blast. Gotta play the meta to beat the meta. I overcome and adapt and don't cry on the forums. That's so seducer warlock vr 12 (blue).

RebornV3x · October 2016

The state of PvP is bad and it gets worse every patch all these proc sets are a cancer the fact that ZOS doesn't care about class balance at all makes it even worse I mean you can never have absolute balance in this game but currently the bar is pretty low. The fact that there are 3 alliances is a dumb idea that should have never made it past beta since it's usually 2 factions Vs 1 90% of the time if it wasn't for the big fights, open world stuff and siege battles over keeps that you really cant find in any other game pvp would be dead.

Ishammael · October 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Honestly, the current state of pvp is making it immensely difficult to log in. The "content for gear," makes it irritating, in some cases, for me to try out the remaining builds that may have a chance at saving me from not logging in anymore.
All of it corresponds to the fun or lack of I'm having with the game. Game has been unbalanced for... Well forever, but I could always find some fun in it, mostly because of friends. With friends having left because of the state of the game, exponentially over time, plus my personal frustrations with game path... Who the hell knows anymore.

Added: frustrating.. Frustrating is a good word for it.

Don't worry rhage, you still have me.

mchermie wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

i logged on to play pvp for the first time in OT. Every death recap was the same, proc sets, NBs, healing debuffs and the same skills used by everyone. It took an hour before i logged off.

Exactly the same for me Leo. Its just no fun these days..

I missed like 4months of content. Come do dungeons with me!

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2016

Psilent wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Pvp is in the worst shape its ever been ,between pop imbalances, a dead map where there is only one fight, and mass pvdoor what a waste

I'm glad I get the new Skyrim special edition for free next week...it will be a few months before Cyrodiil recovers if it does at all

The PVE portion of the game is great, in fact it has never been better, but the pvp portion has suffered in reverse and is at the worst it ever has been...

Where do you go to claim your free Skyrim this week?

If you own all the Skyrim DLC on PC or previously purchased the Legenday Edition through Steam it will automatically be added to your Steam library on Oct 28th or 29th this Friday I do believe at no charge to you. It's a free upgrade for PC owners

Esgameplaya1 · October 2016

DHale wrote: »

Still having a blast. Gotta play the meta to beat the meta. I overcome and adapt and don't cry on the forums. That's so seducer warlock vr 12 (blue).

Props for this guy!!

Makes me wonder if he has been playing since release. I can barely get myself to log in, but sometimes want to cause boredem!! And with stupid procs in pvp NO way!! Same old bologna different day! Gotta play meta to beat meta true, but so cheesy/boring!!