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[Suggestion] Additional, experience based matching-mechanic for dungeon tool

Andohir
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CP tell nothing about dungeon-experience, so separating CP characters from CP0 ones wouldn't be a good idea, but I'm pretty sure there is a counter which boss a character has beaten how many times, for other purposes like overall statistics, and so on.

This counter also could be used to add a new matching-mechanic to the dungeon finder tool. If a character (not player) has beaten all bosses of a specific dungeon, say, 5 times, she/he gets the option to only group with other players who have beaten these 5 times too. It must not be mandatory, but a choice for the specific dungeons, so if players e.g. wish to try another role, want to explain the dungeon to unexperienced players or are still unsure, they always should have the possibility to disable this option.

This mechanic would allow players to at least expect the other party members to be experienced too or they have to expect them to be unexperienced (less skill points/new to dungeon/need+read the quests, etc.) - and, most important: before the party is formed. This could reduce frustrations, insultive speech, kicks, aso to a minimum, because it's clear what to expect before and not only when actually performing in the dungeon. Players also cannot just pretend to be experienced, as long as they do not meet the requirements of the counter with the specific character.
Explanations of dungeon mechanics would still be possible, because until one meets the requirements, experienced and unexperienced players would always be put together.

It could weaken the RNG-of-expectations-and-intentions a bit regarding how the tool works right now, where plain level or cp number are the only requirements.

I do not think, that this would lead to a 2-class-community, because other possibilities (friends, guild) to form a party would still be there too. It just gives players more security about what to expect.


What do you think about it?
  • Taylor_MB
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    They need a public vanity stats sheet XD

    Not sure how well of an indication it would be, plenty of 561CP get carried through dungeons with out knowing anything.
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  • Asardes
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    The main weakness of this approach is that it excludes experienced players who want to level new characters. For example I've beaten VWGT countless times on my stamina DK as tank and a few times as DD, but if I bring my NB DD, he will be still considered inexperienced by the tool and cast aside.
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    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
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    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
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  • Andohir
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    Asardes wrote: »
    The main weakness of this approach is that it excludes experienced players who want to level new characters. For example I've beaten VWGT countless times on my stamina DK as tank and a few times as DD, but if I bring my NB DD, he will be still considered inexperienced by the tool and cast aside.

    Yes, that would be the disadvantage. But there would also be a light at the end of the tunnel, which currently isn't there.
  • Asardes
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    The safest bet is to queue with pre-made groups. I can go in capital zones and find pretty decent players that would run a random dungeon or a pledge. It's more time effective than having slow progress, or even getting stuck for half an hour in dungeon, and then disbanding and getting 15 minutes penalty on top of that.
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
  • Andohir
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    *push* for more feedback.
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