Why have levels anymore? Just let us start new characters at our max cp...

Smasherx74 · October 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

1-50 is training your character definition and getting used to new skills and how they work.
It also lets you fine tune attribute point distribution into stats..so that you can specialise.
[admitted its kind of pointless if all people do is put 64 point into attribute X]

Do you need to train another templar if you already know all the templar skills ?
Well if you havent learnt ALL of the templar skills and such.....probably.

At the end of the day a character is not an account.
Character are individuals...so shouldnt be account wide.
ie I have levelled character X so character Y must also be fully levelled.

Its also amusing how those who do trials say trials is endgame content.
... those who do group dungeons say Vet dungeons is endgame content.
... those who do PvP say Cyrodiil is endgame content.
... those who craft consider 9 trait crafting endgame content.
... those who farm consider 8 characters farming all mats with a trading machine endgame content.
What it really means is 'I want to do this all the time' so remove anything thats in the way.

Of course if CP was horizontal and not vertical progression....you wouldnt need to max out CP ASAP... so it wouldnt need to be an account wide instant 'gimme now' system because 'power' was locked behind a grind wall.

You already have CP across characters.

Rune_Relic · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

1-50 is training your character definition and getting used to new skills and how they work.
It also lets you fine tune attribute point distribution into stats..so that you can specialise.
[admitted its kind of pointless if all people do is put 64 point into attribute X]

Do you need to train another templar if you already know all the templar skills ?
Well if you havent learnt ALL of the templar skills and such.....probably.

At the end of the day a character is not an account.
Character are individuals...so shouldnt be account wide.
ie I have levelled character X so character Y must also be fully levelled.

Its also amusing how those who do trials say trials is endgame content.
... those who do group dungeons say Vet dungeons is endgame content.
... those who do PvP say Cyrodiil is endgame content.
... those who craft consider 9 trait crafting endgame content.
... those who farm consider 8 characters farming all mats with a trading machine endgame content.
What it really means is 'I want to do this all the time' so remove anything thats in the way.

Of course if CP was horizontal and not vertical progression....you wouldnt need to max out CP ASAP... so it wouldnt need to be an account wide instant 'gimme now' system because 'power' was locked behind a grind wall.

You already have CP across characters.

Yes...that was the flaw I was pointing out.
People are now think all levelling should be account based.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

1-50 is training your character definition and getting used to new skills and how they work.
It also lets you fine tune attribute point distribution into stats..so that you can specialise.
[admitted its kind of pointless if all people do is put 64 point into attribute X]

Do you need to train another templar if you already know all the templar skills ?
Well if you havent learnt ALL of the templar skills and such.....probably.

At the end of the day a character is not an account.
Character are individuals...so shouldnt be account wide.
ie I have levelled character X so character Y must also be fully levelled.

Its also amusing how those who do trials say trials is endgame content.
... those who do group dungeons say Vet dungeons is endgame content.
... those who do PvP say Cyrodiil is endgame content.
... those who craft consider 9 trait crafting endgame content.
... those who farm consider 8 characters farming all mats with a trading machine endgame content.
What it really means is 'I want to do this all the time' so remove anything thats in the way.

Of course if CP was horizontal and not vertical progression....you wouldnt need to max out CP ASAP... so it wouldnt need to be an account wide instant 'gimme now' system because 'power' was locked behind a grind wall.

You already have CP across characters.

Yes...that was the flaw I was pointing out.
People are now think all levelling should be account based.

The fact is it is... sorry if you don't like that but don't come here disagreeing with the obvious. Levels are no longer relevant, now that everything is SCALED there is no LEVELED CONTENT. Levels are not a measurement of practice either, if anything CP would be a much better measurement of how resourceful someone is.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

and no not all leveling is account based, your characters still have to level up their skills naturally. The only thing that is account based is the CP system.

Which I'd rather know the guy I'm dueling has 500cp rather than just see he's a level 45.

GeneralPardon · October 2016

I'm just wondering but @Smasherx74 are you at max cp yet?

Smasherx74 · October 2016

GeneralPardon wrote: »

I'm just wondering but @Smasherx74 are you at max cp yet?

Is it at all relevant? Do you think I'm making this thread out of spite? Because I'm not. I have over 500cp

GeneralPardon · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

GeneralPardon wrote: »

I'm just wondering but @Smasherx74 are you at max cp yet?

Is it at all relevant? Do you think I'm making this thread out of spite? Because I'm not. I have over 500cp

Dude don't feel offended, but what I try to say here is, once you've reached a point where you are above the max cp cap, you don't give a single crap about CP anymore, because by the time they're gonna raise the cp cap again you will have plenty of time to get it or you are already there. So there is no point in gaining cp while leveling to level 50(even if you really need the cp, the total XP that you get will only grant you 1 or 2 cp)

SickDuck · October 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

Yet ZOS thinks it's absolutely fine to put lvl 10 people in ICP or RoM...

4 experienced lvl 10s with max CP and purple set gear would still faceroll it.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

GeneralPardon wrote: »

I'm just wondering but @Smasherx74 are you at max cp yet?

Is it at all relevant? Do you think I'm making this thread out of spite? Because I'm not. I have over 500cp

Dude don't feel offended, but what I try to say here is, once you've reached a point where you are above the max cp cap, you don't give a single crap about CP anymore, because by the time they're gonna raise the cp cap again you will have plenty of time to get it or you are already there. So there is no point in gaining cp while leveling to level 50(even if you really need the cp, the total XP that you get will only grant you 1 or 2 cp)

If this is suppose to be an argument then it's a false equivalence.

Humatiel · October 2016

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Coming to a Crown Store Near You:
Max Level Character.
Once you level one character to max level, you can now pay to have all your other characters instantly maxed.

That's my prediction any ways.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat

QFT

SatanicSister · October 2016

Why do some players assume that everybody hates first 50 levels and all the content and quests it offers? Why do some players think that everything should be given to them on a silver plate? Where is the point in creating alts when there is no character-based leveling anymore?

It's so sad how people are whining all over again about every single thing that they don't like in the game. I hate dungeons and I loathe playing in groups. Yet I won't do tons of topics about how I think that dungeons must be removed and I don't think that everybody must agree with me. My point is that although there are some valid arguments for removing levels, there are as much reasons to let them be as they are.

After all, devs will do what they want with the game.

bryanhaas · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Seems to me levels have absolutely no point behind them anymore. Since everything is scaled that is.

Just let us create characters starting off with our CP. No point in forcing people to go through levels or waste time not earning CP. It'd also help the ease the CP Grind fest so people creating new characters can gain a lot of extra CP just by completing the main quests.

No levels at all would be very boring, yeah I know it is a pita but I still like it and so do many others. I almost wish vet ranks were still there but only as a kinda meaningless rank. Like a PVE rank.

bryanhaas · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Myrrdinn2014 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wtb dueling partner, must be level 10 since levels don't matter anymore.

This is another good point...

PEople will scale down things to levels to complete it quicker.

Yet another reason to demolish levels and make CP across the board, then make the lowest scaling possible CP10

Could be incredibly wrong because I havent tried it since but I dont think you can scale anything down anymore since 1T came out.

Yeah, can't scale content down with One Tamriel. Everything is CP160 and everyone has their stats adjusted to compete if they are below that. No more baby Maw runs to farm motifs.

Yes once the scaling goes away it will be nice. I wish everything was not bind on pickup though. I personally wish everything was sellable would give more reason to run things but at the same time make the content harder so that the drops are valuable. Maybe harder is not the right word but make it so that getting the good drops was not just easily farm-able. so it seems your effort is worth while. So that way if you keep getting drops you cannot use at least you can make a profit off of them.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

SatanicSister wrote: »

Why do some players assume that everybody hates first 50 levels and all the content and quests it offers? Why do some players think that everything should be given to them on a silver plate? Where is the point in creating alts when there is no character-based leveling anymore?

It's so sad how people are whining all over again about every single thing that they don't like in the game. I hate dungeons and I loathe playing in groups. Yet I won't do tons of topics about how I think that dungeons must be removed and I don't think that everybody must agree with me. My point is that although there are some valid arguments for removing levels, there are as much reasons to let them be as they are.

After all, devs will do what they want with the game.

The whole point of this thread is that there isn't valid arguments for keeping levels in place anymore.

People create alts, because they want to play different roles, classes, builds, or races. They may want to play the story mode on a different faction, sure but that doesn't mean the leveling system has any affect on them. At most the leveling system prevents many players from completing content because they'd rather just grind to lvl50/CP and then complete whatever they need for skill trees.

By removing levels and just having CP, everybody is going to benefit from start to finish from creating a new character. The incentive to complete the content would be more focused on getting skill points and increasing skill trees like Fighters Guild.

Nyx2 · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

NeKryXe · October 2016

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Smasherx74 wrote: »

Just let us create characters starting off with our CP. No point in forcing people to go through levels or waste time not earning CP.

if they go for it i hope that they make it optional. i already have 4 characters at my maximum cp and 2 very close to it, and in a few weeks i'm going to start a new one with a friend that is going to start now. i know that the game is scaling everything (a thing that i don't like) but i really prefer to start from the beginning with a friend that is starting the game. to have an option is always a good thing, like i would love to be able to choose "tamriel unlimited" instead of this new "one tamriel" mess.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

DMuehlhausen · October 2016

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

The problem with this statement is it's not anymore. Since you no longer get more powerful, in regards to the mobs, you aren't really learning you are always fightning to stay alive. While that makes it more interesting at times I myself enjoy the idea of when I go back to a starter zones stuff won't bother me.

ElliottXO · October 2016

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Coming to a Crown Store Near You:
Max Level Character.
Once you level one character to max level, you can now pay to have all your other characters instantly maxed.

That's my prediction any ways.

I would love that...

Nyx2 · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

You think the leveling system is only relevant because ZOS makes money off XP potions....

sorry but that's not sound. XP potions would mostly benefit people trying to up their CP, and those who have Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees.

Nyx2 · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

You think the leveling system is only relevant because ZOS makes money off XP potions....

sorry but that's not sound. XP potions would mostly benefit people trying to up their CP, and those who have Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees.

Wrong, CP are account-wide, levels are not. While it takes a long time to reach the CP limit it would still be an unprofitable one time thing so my point still stands.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

You think the leveling system is only relevant because ZOS makes money off XP potions....

sorry but that's not sound. XP potions would mostly benefit people trying to up their CP, and those who have Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees.

Wrong, CP are account-wide, levels are not. While it takes a long time to reach the CP limit it would still be an unprofitable one time thing so my point still stands.

You don't read clearly. I never implied in the slightest way CP was not cross account, in fact I implied that very thing by mentioning those with "Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees".

Your point being having levels makes people buy XP potions does not stand on the basis of having CP from start to finish, and those who are already maxed out on CP still need the XP potions to level up the skill trees for their new characters.

exeeter702 · October 2016

There are a lot of people in this thread that are off base to the actual discussion and point that the OP is trying to make.

A few statements I'm seeing repeated here.

"I like the leveling progression"
"I don't want to be max level right off the bat"
"new players need it to learn the game"

Etc etc..

The OP is not wrong on a basic fundemental level. With scaling in place, the levels are an arbitrary barrier.

Look, if you are a brand new player, you will start at cp1 and proceed to experience the game at your pace thanks to 1T, skill points and attribute points would be aquired via certain quest chains, word bosses etc etc. Nothing changes. The only backfire I can imagine would be for those that choose to grind to lvl 50 as they would then have to do content they do not want to do to obtain skill points, which at that point if you are power leveling to get to 50 you arent even effected by any of this anyways. Remember, if you tie skill points and attribute points to cp intervals, then you would have fresh cp531 characers come out of the gates with a lvl 50s worth of skill points, which no one is asking for.

Think about how long it takes to get to lvl 50, in that time frame, a character generally achieves close to lvl 50 in all his class skills and weapon skills of choice, give or take. This duration would remain unchained given the right implementation of cp being the exclusive leveling format.

One comment on here was a sarcastic quip about a cp 531 with only 3 skills and and attribute points. It is no different than right now.

Leveling all the various skill lines is what character growth is really tied down by, and none of that would change whatsoever. If you are a player that gets enjoyment of leveling, than it is exactly the same, you still are going to gave to obtain experience to increase your skills. The actual character level means nothing now.

Having cp be the exclusive progression indicator allows players to determine the actual power level of a character pre 50 in terms of stats, as of now you can have a lvl 20 in your group with 531 cp backing it and not really even know. That lvl 20 will still only have a lvl 20s worth of skill points.

Nyx2 · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

You think the leveling system is only relevant because ZOS makes money off XP potions....

sorry but that's not sound. XP potions would mostly benefit people trying to up their CP, and those who have Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees.

Wrong, CP are account-wide, levels are not. While it takes a long time to reach the CP limit it would still be an unprofitable one time thing so my point still stands.

You don't read clearly. I never implied in the slightest way CP was not cross account, in fact I implied that very thing by mentioning those with "Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees".

Your point being having levels makes people buy XP potions does not stand on the basis of having CP from start to finish, and those who are already maxed out on CP still need the XP potions to level up the skill trees for their new characters.

I do read clearly but as someone who would never even consider buying XP scrolls and finding the lvl up of skills fairly easy I just don't think that's nearly enough for ZOS. You made this thread to avoid the pointless chore of lvling up... no matter how you word it, it just goes back to ZOS wanting money for this exact thing.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

OP, constructively, levels do matter. As was discussed earlier, I will gladly duel any level 20 or below on my bad toons. Why? Because leveling still grants power. Leveling unlocks skills, attributes, and hell at level 20 you cannot physically unlock certain skills.

While having the game scaled does create a sense of stagnant in the world, and I will admit that, so did Skyrim. All you need to do to prove leveling does give you power is try ICP with 4 level 10s. Go ahead, it's scaled.

You're talking about skill levels, I'm talking about actual leveling. You have to complete fighters guild quests to increase that skill, read books to increase mage guild, do DB/TG quests to increase those...

You don't need to be level X to unlock anything, you need your Skill Level to be X to unlock it. Every couple of CP points can result in new attribute point, same with skill points.

Levels are not needed anymore....

What does it matter then since you have to lvl skills regardless of your lvl? Again, Xp scrolls are there to make money for ZOS and they will not go away. Any discussion beyond that is just a waste of time.

Your argument was levels matter, now it's a question of whether levels matter or not.... Dude you just refuted your self, I'm not arguing XP scrolls aren't useful either, do you even read?

I didn't make any argument so what are you talking about? I'm saying this thread is pointless because it will not change and ZOS will continue to make money with that same method. Do you even read?

You think the leveling system is only relevant because ZOS makes money off XP potions....

sorry but that's not sound. XP potions would mostly benefit people trying to up their CP, and those who have Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees.

Wrong, CP are account-wide, levels are not. While it takes a long time to reach the CP limit it would still be an unprofitable one time thing so my point still stands.

You don't read clearly. I never implied in the slightest way CP was not cross account, in fact I implied that very thing by mentioning those with "Max CP would still use XP potions for new characters to level skill trees".

Your point being having levels makes people buy XP potions does not stand on the basis of having CP from start to finish, and those who are already maxed out on CP still need the XP potions to level up the skill trees for their new characters.

I do read clearly but as someone who would never even consider buying XP scrolls and finding the lvl up of skills fairly easy I just don't think that's nearly enough for ZOS. You made this thread to avoid the pointless chore of lvling up... no matter how you word it, it just goes back to ZOS wanting money for this exact thing.

Okay so listen, your opinion matters to a degree just like everyone elses. But when you're trying to refute my thread using anecdotal arguments I'm not going to take what you have to say seriously. You're just making assumptions that are a reflection of your own psychological projection. I made this thread to bring awareness to the fact levels are no longer relevant in any sense. All you have at the core of your statements is ZOS making a profit off flipping XP scrolls. I refuted this clearly and constructively in multiple posts. Now with that being said, please stop trashing my thread. Thanks bye.

Solid_Metal · October 2016

if you have already finish and already have minimum 1 CP160 character, sure yeah i agree for skipping leveling all together, new character start level 50 right away with all default Stat point and skill point given

but for new player?, no, leveling still should exist, like other said, for training wheel

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

if you have already finish and already have minimum 1 CP160 character, sure yeah i agree for skipping leveling all together, new character start level 50 right away with all default Stat point and skill point given

but for new player?, no, leveling still should exist, like other said, for training wheel

No point in giving people automatic stat points, that defeats the purpose of removing levels to get people to play more content instead of grinding mobs.

The training wheel analogy is not relevant, there is no longer leveled content. Everything is scaled, period.

nimander99 · October 2016

I don't want levels removed but I was hoping for CP only gear, no level attachment.