Why have levels anymore? Just let us start new characters at our max cp...

Smasherx74

Seems to me levels have absolutely no point behind them anymore. Since everything is scaled that is.

Just let us create characters starting off with our CP. No point in forcing people to go through levels or waste time not earning CP. It'd also help the ease the CP Grind fest so people creating new characters can gain a lot of extra CP just by completing the main quests.

cavakthestampede

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

bedlom

No thanks.

JamieAubrey

Yes, Once you have 6 max characters the last 2 should be free lvl 50

Having to grind skills, gear etc there's no point

Smasherx74

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

Levels have literally no point now. How about just start off from 0 CP, then you gain CP just like you do levels... ZOS do the math and get us to 50 or 100, or 150CP by end game so people can level up to 160 quicker. Reaching level 50, and level 50 in of it's self, is completely pointless.

strikeback1247

Smasherx74 wrote: »

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

Levels have literally no point now. How about just start off from 0 CP, then you gain CP just like you do levels... ZOS do the math and get us to 50 or 100, or 150CP by end game so people can level up to 160 quicker. Reaching level 50, and level 50 in of it's self, is completely pointless.

Well they do really. If you keep levelling up but not upgrading gear, you will lose stats :^)

Nebthet78

Coming to a Crown Store Near You:
Max Level Character.
Once you level one character to max level, you can now pay to have all your other characters instantly maxed.

That's my prediction any ways.

PS4_ZeColmeia

I can agree with if you already have one of a class to 50 that you could make another at 50 with only the skill points from levels.

I still don't agree with skyshards, titles, reputation, or achievements transferring

Tannus15

I don't mind levelling, just ditch levels on gear.
Replacing gear with exactly the same item just "higher level" is dumb.

Smasherx74

You guys don't seem to understand...

Levels are not a "walkthrough" or tutorial, they were suppose to represent people who still haven't completed the game. as things are now people will grind mobs to CP then do whatever.


I feel like with update12, levels have became completely pointless due to scaling everywhere. The only reason why before they had any meaning was becaue things were not scaled, there were leveled enemies and zones. Now that it's gone theres no reason to have people starting off from level 1 to 50 before reaching CP.

The only argument against this is when you create a new character you'll be CP 500 despite being "new". But the fact is you can still spec a level 1 character with 500 CP anyways... and you have to get skill points and level your skills up so it's not like you're creating new "end game" characters off the bat.

Smasherx74

I really hope ZOS considers taking levels out of the game and just making it CP across the board.

TequilaFire

Tannus15 wrote: »

I don't mind levelling, just ditch levels on gear.
Replacing gear with exactly the same item just "higher level" is dumb.

What you should be able to do is upgrade gear level after reaching a certain crafting level.
Then you would only regear for a better or different set.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

Levels have literally no point now. How about just start off from 0 CP, then you gain CP just like you do levels... ZOS do the math and get us to 50 or 100, or 150CP by end game so people can level up to 160 quicker. Reaching level 50, and level 50 in of it's self, is completely pointless.

Well they do really. If you keep levelling up but not upgrading gear, you will lose stats :^)

Your stats will go down even if you upgrade your gear, so really not so much.

Logun24x7

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Seems to me levels have absolutely no point behind them anymore. Since everything is scaled that is.

Just let us create characters starting off with our CP. No point in forcing people to go through levels or waste time not earning CP. It'd also help the ease the CP Grind fest so people creating new characters can gain a lot of extra CP just by completing the main quests.

You basically have that now .... all levels do now is hand out skill points in measured intervals

Smasherx74

Logun24x7 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Seems to me levels have absolutely no point behind them anymore. Since everything is scaled that is.

Just let us create characters starting off with our CP. No point in forcing people to go through levels or waste time not earning CP. It'd also help the ease the CP Grind fest so people creating new characters can gain a lot of extra CP just by completing the main quests.

You basically have that now .... all levels do now is hand out skill points in measured intervals

That's why it should be changed to CP and just make more of the main quests give Skill Points.

DocFrost72

Wtb dueling partner, must be level 10 since levels don't matter anymore.

Smasherx74

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wtb dueling partner, must be level 10 since levels don't matter anymore.

This is another good point...


PEople will scale down things to levels to complete it quicker.


Yet another reason to demolish levels and make CP across the board, then make the lowest scaling possible CP10

Myrrdinn2014

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wtb dueling partner, must be level 10 since levels don't matter anymore.

This is another good point...


PEople will scale down things to levels to complete it quicker.


Yet another reason to demolish levels and make CP across the board, then make the lowest scaling possible CP10

Could be incredibly wrong because I havent tried it since but I dont think you can scale anything down anymore since 1T came out.

Nyx2

They want to sell xp scrolls so this will never go away.

JamieAubrey

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Coming to a Crown Store Near You:
Max Level Character.
Once you level one character to max level, you can now pay to have all your other characters instantly maxed.

That's my prediction any ways.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat

MasterSpatula

Not sure if trolling or serious.

But if trolling, I'm with you.

arkansas_ESO

My thoughts exactly. The quicker new players earn CP, the quicker they can get into endgame. At the moment you'll see a gap where a player reaches 50, thinks they're ready for endgame, gets stomped by a few max CP people/gets denied spots in trials groups due to low CP, and quits instead of grinding out 560+ CP.

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

There's really no reason why you couldn't do the same thing with just CP

Smasherx74

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Not sure if trolling or serious.

But if trolling, I'm with you.

Why would I be trolling?


Everything is scaled, point of levels are to play leveled content, everyone grinds through levels anyways, the fact leveling up gives skill points can be addressed through giving skill points on more quests.


Do I really have to be trolling? Can you not fathom how incredibly obtuse you are being?

MattT1988

Smasherx74 wrote: »

You guys don't seem to understand...

No, we do understand, most of us just don't agree with you.

Smasherx74

MattT1988 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

You guys don't seem to understand...

No, we do understand, most of us just don't agree with you.

Two people can disagree with chocolate being the best ice cream flavor. Good for you right?

I'm looking for a sound argument. The only logical one is ZOS wanting to push XP scrolls down our throats.

Everything else I've refuted. Thanks bye try again

Twilix01

I don't know about you guys but I would be pretty bored with a character fast if all I had to do was sit through character creation and then automatically have access to all my CP and equip CP160 gear within minutes of making the character. Where's the fun in that?

Smasherx74

Twilix01 wrote: »

I don't know about you guys but I would be pretty bored with a character fast if all I had to do was sit through character creation and then automatically have access to all my CP and equip CP160 gear within minutes of making the character. Where's the fun in that?

You can already spec your CP off the bat, making you a total beast compared to new players.

The levels them self don't really matter. Perhaps give us every CP up to 62 or whatever where we "level up" and put points into our attributes.


At least this way, a level'd character can see the other DPS in his dungeon is actually cp500 while he's under CP 160.

GeneralPardon

I have to admit that I don't like going through the process of upgrading my riding skills. But instant max level no thanks. I'd be bored by the end of the day.
I don't like to do things like collecting skyshards when my character is max level. I don't like doing the main quest and guild quests with a max cp toon. I do that stuff when I'm levelling my character to 50. So please no max level chars when you've reached that once.

AzraelKrieg

Myrrdinn2014 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Wtb dueling partner, must be level 10 since levels don't matter anymore.

This is another good point...


PEople will scale down things to levels to complete it quicker.


Yet another reason to demolish levels and make CP across the board, then make the lowest scaling possible CP10

Could be incredibly wrong because I havent tried it since but I dont think you can scale anything down anymore since 1T came out.

Yeah, can't scale content down with One Tamriel. Everything is CP160 and everyone has their stats adjusted to compete if they are below that. No more baby Maw runs to farm motifs.

Lukums1

cavakthestampede wrote: »

1-50 is your training for wheels, slowly introducing multiple layered systems into the players scope.

Well Played.

Exactly this.

I don't want more scrubs to deal with we have enough already.

SirAndy

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Seems to me levels have absolutely no point behind them anymore.