Mind-blowing attitude of zos

daedalusAI · October 2016

Now I'm really angry at the shady behavior zos is displaying.

The following quote about the scaling issue out of this thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/296806/why-would-you-change-normal-dungeons/p2

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

A bit of a mea culpa here. We did erroneously adjusted the damage of normal dungeons higher than intended and will be bringing them back in line with the next incremental. They should be adjusted back to the health and power levels from OneTamriel Launch.

Thanks for all the feedback and we apologize for the unexpected spike in difficulty.

My response to that comment in the same thread as above:

daedalusAI wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

A bit of a mea culpa here. We did erroneously adjusted the damage of normal dungeons higher than intended and will be bringing them back in line with the next incremental. They should be adjusted back to the health and power levels from OneTamriel Launch.

Thanks for all the feedback and we apologize for the unexpected spike in difficulty.

Am I glad that your QA-department is thoroughly testing everything you push unto the live server.

If I compare your reasoning of the wrongly scaled damage with the 2.6.5 patch notes it's plain obvious that the increase of monster health did indeed scale their damage too - and you can't even admit that as the cause.

Pretty sad showing towards a customer that came back not even 1 week ago and bought the gold edition.

So how long am I unable to do dungeons on my low-level because you were unable to test your patches?

Edit: not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before can't be called "unexpected spike in difficulty".
Or did you mean unexpected as in you yourself didn't know what would happen if you tweaked the hp-numbers?

As you can see by my comment I got irritated at the previous used phrase of "unexpected spike in difficulty" which you can't see anymore because it got edited by an official and you can't see any edit date on that post.
You might rightfully question if that phrase really was used before but I can only point to the edit date of my comment and that I have nothing to gain from lying.

Now I have this message from a zos official about me supposedly "flaming" in another thread where I also questioned why official forum accounts can edit their post without displaying an edit date and time like "normal" account:

In regards to you concerns about editing posts there is no way to for our staff or any account to edit a comment without leaving the edited tag at the bottom of the post with the date and time of the edit. Typically when a member of our staff edits a post they will leave a note indicating what was changed to avoid confusion.

So either you are lying in the face of a customer, you yourself as an admin don't know what your fellow admins are doing or that comment above needed to be edited towards a more "suitable" response.

I am speechless.

cjthibs · October 2016

They can't edit a post without it being displayed, it's part of the forum setup they're using.
You're just mistaken.

daedalusAI · October 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

They can't edit a post without it being displayed, it's part of the forum setup they're using.
You're just mistaken.

Well I would've made a screenshot if I had known how shady they behave.
But how do you explain that phrase of "unexpected spike in difficulty" in combination with my edit date on my post?
Did I just come up with some tale and get irritated by it myself?

And you should consider that if there was an edit in their post it would update every single post which quoted it.

cjthibs · October 2016

daedalusAI wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

They can't edit a post without it being displayed, it's part of the forum setup they're using.
You're just mistaken.

Well I would've made a screenshot if I had known how shady they behave.
But how to you explain that phrase of "unexpected spike in difficulty" in combination with my edit date on my post?
Did I just come up with some tale and get irritated by it myself?

And you should consider that if there was an edit in their post it would update every single post which quoted it.

People forget things and make all sorts of mistakes when emotions are high.

I have evaluated the same software they are using for the forums, it doesn't allow edits without a note.

Milvan · October 2016

daedalusAI wrote: »

(...)

So how long am I unable to do dungeons on my low-level because you were unable to test your patches?

Edit: not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before can't be called "unexpected spike in difficulty".

L2P?

Seriously tho, first of all, I know there is an ongoing issue with partII dungeons on normal mode, where the normal mode is slight more difficulty than the veteran. I have seen the printscreens and all, tho I never experienced it.

But when you say "not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before". How could have done normal part 2 dungeons before if they didn't exist prior 1T?

SolarCat02 · October 2016

It still says "unexpected spike in difficulty" in your quote and the thread. It's in his last sentence.

"Thanks for all the feedback and we apologize for the unexpected spike in difficulty."

Or am I misunderstanding your concern?

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

If you are not use to ZOS Devs making live update Boo Boos , you are in for a lot sleepless nights . I understand getting frustrated but this will most likely be getting shut down as it is against the rules to even discuss personal moderation . When I get discouraged I just go somewhere else most times . I know it's not easy when you are hot but it works out best .

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

Milvan wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

(...)

So how long am I unable to do dungeons on my low-level because you were unable to test your patches?

Edit: not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before can't be called "unexpected spike in difficulty".

L2P?

Seriously tho, first of all, I know there is an ongoing issue with partII dungeons on normal mode, where the normal mode is slight more difficulty than the veteran. I have seen the printscreens and all, tho I never experienced it.

But when you say "not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before". How could have done normal part 2 dungeons before if they didn't exist prior 1T?

My thoughts as well.

nimander99 · October 2016

Can we get some Pepper with the salt please? 2 months here and you are the expert on all things game and forum related... Ive been here playing and posting regularly since '14 and still don't know shnazz. Grats, yer uber man.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2016

Just checked the post, and it still has the last line referring to the unexpected spike in difficulty and no edits have been made. Am I missing something?

MissBizz · October 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just checked the post, and it still has the last line referring to the unexpected spike in difficulty and no edits have been made. Am I missing something?

No, you're not.

jircris11 · October 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just checked the post, and it still has the last line referring to the unexpected spike in difficulty and no edits have been made. Am I missing something?

The OP is just upset about the error. They will cool off and continue to play as we all do. Side note for the OP, they have a pts server so we the players can test the content before patching it to live. Sadly not many partake in this.

Wollust · October 2016

Some people will complain just about everything

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

Normally I dont say this because i think everyone can help make the game better by expressing concerns. But if this is honestly the sort of thing that bothers you so much, you might be better of playing something else. Zos is about has show that communicatiin is not their strong suit over and over again.

Elsonso · October 2016

I am completely lost. Which "unexpected spike in difficulty" is missing?

daedalusAI wrote: »

Edit: not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before can't be called "unexpected spike in difficulty".
Or did you mean unexpected as in you yourself didn't know what would happen if you tweaked the hp-numbers?

That was your edit on Oct 13 2:16PM I certainly see the phrase. Are you claiming that you put it there at that time, they removed it, and then they added it back in?

magnusthorek · October 2016

Although I value very much transparency and I agree that this is rather suspicious, I think you're overreacting.

See... It's well kniwn that ZOS is anything but transparent. Sometimes their excessive politeness make them slip an out of context adjective that only pisses us off (like the "outstanding bug" expression often used).

So, relax, it's something that won't change anytime soon 'cause it comes from their leadership I suppose.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

I don't understand. You make no sense, OP.

CapnPhoton · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand. You make no sense, OP.

Agreed.

'Shady' is a word to describe dishonest behavior. Here is an unintentional issue caused by an update...then an explanation and an apology and a note about it being fixed in the next update...

I'm struggling to find the shady part of all this. Where is it?

susmitds · October 2016

Conspiracy.......Conspiracy everywhere!!!!!
Every bug happens because ZoS hates me personally!

Alucardo · October 2016

Skitttles · October 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just checked the post, and it still has the last line referring to the unexpected spike in difficulty and no edits have been made. Am I missing something?

No he's a salty bad whos way to sensitive for the internet.

Voxicity · October 2016

this is boring

Celas_Dranacea · October 2016

Is this why my group of lowbie friends were having trouble with normal ruins of Mazzatun and were actually able to progress further on vet mode?

Rastoide · October 2016

@daedalusAI
I'm lvl33 and I HAVE finished 3 diferent dungeon II runs succesfuly.

Spindle and Cells were tough but went smooth, and then Eden; it was quite the challange, took us like 2hs or more. We learnt how to do the bosses on the go, and we beat them all baddas bosses. I think thats quite fine being it an undaunted dungeon, right??

Just dont PUB. Dont.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Is this why my group of lowbie friends were having trouble with normal ruins of Mazzatun and were actually able to progress further on vet mode?

Yes, normal versions of dungeons were buggy and some mobs far more powerful than intended.
But that's the topic of another thread. Besides click-baiting with a "juicy" title, I don't see the point of this one. Maybe OP is on some skooma-like substance, it makes one somewhat paranoid, or so I heard.

idk · October 2016

@daedalusAI

First, his much time did you spend testing the dungeons on the PTS? If the answer is little to none then in reality your complaining about something you did nothing about to begin with. PTS is used by many a MMO to find flaws in the build.

Second, maybe your boss and customers should go full flame on you next time you make an error. Bet it happens often. See how you take it. Cannot truthfully say you don't make mistakes as long as you have gainful employment.

Last, the end of your OP makes zero sense. It's a comment that the moderators leave comments when they edit a thread much of the time, but not always. Don't see your point in it other than maybe don't flame so much.

Personally, I cannot believe I am defending Zos, but thie OP post is absurd.

Celas_Dranacea · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Is this why my group of lowbie friends were having trouble with normal ruins of Mazzatun and were actually able to progress further on vet mode?

Yes, normal versions of dungeons were buggy and some mobs far more powerful than intended.
But that's the topic of another thread. Besides click-baiting with a "juicy" title, I don't see the point of this one. Maybe OP is on some skooma-like substance, it makes one somewhat paranoid, or so I heard.

Ty for response! Glad We're not crazy

JamilaRaj · October 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just checked the post, and it still has the last line referring to the unexpected spike in difficulty and no edits have been made. Am I missing something?

We know you "checked" the post.

cavakthestampede · October 2016

Updates like this are a huge undetaking. I suggest assuming positive intent and accept they can't catch everything, even though they try hard.

I would be interested in your work ethic and how often others feel personally affected by you, when you are doing your job the best you can.

Hurts when it's turned around.

Thanks OP for your patience and calm understanding. All of us in the community appreciate it.

DocFrost72 · October 2016

Milvan wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

(...)

So how long am I unable to do dungeons on my low-level because you were unable to test your patches?

Edit: not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before can't be called "unexpected spike in difficulty".

L2P?

Seriously tho, first of all, I know there is an ongoing issue with partII dungeons on normal mode, where the normal mode is slight more difficulty than the veteran. I have seen the printscreens and all, tho I never experienced it.

But when you say "not being able to finish a normal II dungeon now with low-levels which was possible before". How could have done normal part 2 dungeons before if they didn't exist prior 1T?

Because the actual bug began AFTER 1T launched. It was a maintenance/update that fudged the damage output of normal dungeons, resulting in normal dungeons outputting 33% greater damage than their vetern counterparts as far as story II is concerned.

And "I've never experienced it" is false. I've never noticed it is more accurate, but I guarantee you'd notice it if you had 3 newbies (the target audience for normal dungeons is new players).

BigBragg · October 2016

Fresh air is good for the soul.