magnusthorek wrote: »

That's why I, on purpose, don't cancel animations.

If I'm playing a stamina class rgar constantly has to go to off-bar and apply Endless Haul or Razor Caltrops and wuickly get back to Flurry / Jabs and this quickly switching action cancels any animation, fine, I didn't provoke it. Otherwise, I wait them getiing finished.

This is because I think animation is something with a beginning and an end on purpose.

If you break this purpose accidentally, fine, but if you do knowing that you're shortening something purposedly long just to get astronomical DPS marks just to rub in the face of others that can't do it, be it by thinking it's cheat, by physical limitations, high latency and so on, it's completely wrong.

If the game designers agreed with you, you would think they would have stated so by now, 2 and a half years on. Or better yet they could have:

-included light attacks in the 1s global cooldown slotted skills share
-negate any damage/effect done by skills that are cancelled by bash/block

Since they have not altered the game in either of these two (pretty simple) ways, and have never stated that animation cancelling is a bug or exploit, then I think it's time for those who don't like it to get over it and play the game for how it is designed and not for how they believe it should be designed.

Most importantly, those opposed to it need to stop referring to those who use it as cheaters, exploiters or otherwise.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I certainly hope that ZoS fixes the Animation canceling bug. I think it's ridiculous that players are exploiting this bug to get high DPS.


Is a form of cheating and not skill.

Will you people relax. We're talking about BASIC WEAVING (ie: light attack and then an ability). Jesus christ man.

I'm relax like a sedated butterfly I'm not the one that is on defense and making excuses to exploit a bug.

Like I said before I hope ZoS finally fixes the Animation canceling bug in this patch or future patches. People would have to learn how to get high DPS without exploiting a bug

ZOS said it wasn't an exploit mate. It wasn't intended, yes. They decided that its not an exploit, yes. They decided to leave it, yes. So wtf you still unhappy about? Their decision? Well, they decided it should stay because it would make the game more interesting. It takes practice to learn to animation cancel properly. Whatever takes practice takes some sort of skill and is difficult in a way.

Plus you don't animation cancel at all, because the animations still fire off. What you are doing while weaving is different. There's a global cool down on skills and weapon attacks so what you are doing is, you're overlapping the two cool downs so while a skill is on a global cool down, you'd use a light/heavy/medium attack.

When they fix this, please also fix Steel Tornado. It seems to bug out and I just stand in the middle of a mob waving my daggers around like a maniac, then all of a sudden I turn into a ninja and send out like five Steel Tornados at once.

Weaving with Light and Heavy Attacks has been broken since the animation canceling changes. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

The animation canceling changes should have helped with the high damage combos in pvp. yet all they did was make the game feel more clunky. Plus you get stuck in animations A LOT.

Revert the changes = problem solved. People still QQ about animation canceling, so it really wont generate any more QQ then it already does

bitels wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

How can anyone be against animation cancelling in this game (call it cheating, exploiting, no skill, etc)?

The developers openly embrace animation cancelling and it's available to everyone, so it's not like people are getting an unfair advantage except maybe due to ping.

And claiming that animation cancelling is not skillful more or less implies that NOT animation cancelling is skillful... which is absurd since it takes almost no skill to press a button and then wait for the animation to finish because no other offensive or defensive action is possible.
Animation cancelling is all about timing and practice. If the player messes up the timing, then damage is lost or in some cases skills don't even go off. Liquid Lightning for instance sometimes won't even cast on the ground if I mistime the animation. I'll get the buff tracker but no spell damage output. It takes skill not to mess up - especially during high stress encounters.

Side note: you think weaving is hard with a fire staff? Try a lightning staff weave.

Because it's a design flaw. If a skill, that hits harder and is supposed to take longer to cast, then cancelling out that time penalty is exploiting a bug, not a skill or ability to be respected.

If the skill have "cast time: instant", then it should be instant, and not 1 sec till animation finish.

So I will launch 5 attacks almost instantly and hit you with all 5 at once guaranteeing instant death before response.
All I need is enough stamina/magicka to meet the cost.
Ideally low ping.
Even better macro the sequence to save me from RSI

Do you not see how that idea is absolutely preposterous ?
The idea of cooldowns is to give people time to respond.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

BruceLeeroy91 wrote: »

Lol good I'm glad you DK is unplayable without using a bug ha...l2p

Are you also glad that Zos is so incompetent at fixing this bug, it is now a feature. Really sounds like you are directing your anger at the wrong people. Zos came out and said this is working as intended, because they cant fix it.

So why dont you go troll Zos. And let people talking about what are now confirmed as valid game mechanics, talk about valid game mechanics.

Lol because it is not going to be fixed and Wroebel has said so your argument is semi valid that it is part of the game, however my comment (not angrily) was purely directed at the statement of his character being unplayable due to the change. It is a bug one way or another and there is no excuse for not being able to play a character without the use of AC or weaving.

I understand that it is part of the game and it isn't as if they are making it better, but still it is not the mechanic that makes or breaks the game and that is where my comment was directed.

You anti AC guys realize that there is still a global cooldown on skill usage, right? I can't cast 5 skills in one second with animation cancelling. What I CAN do, for instance, is to cancel the useless animation for endless hail by instead playing the weapon swap animation to prepare for melee attacks on a front bar, or other similar moves.

While this is a horrible way to deal dps, I encourage sorcs to go and play with hard casted crystal frags.
Fire off the skill once. Do you see how your sorc conjures the shard and then lifts hands over the head and sort of throws it before coming back to the idle stance?

Now press the skill button as fast as you can, and you won't see the hands lift over the head. The conjuring will happen and then the hand raise and throw animation will be cancelled by the new conjure. Congrats. You have just animation cancelled to achieve higher dps.

So according to some people, pressing a single button really fast is exploiting. What next? Selling columbine for 600g is exploiting?

Edit: fixed typo

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Animation canceling is a bug in my eyes.
Abilities have their cast durations, everyone using bugs to bypass this is a buguser.
And everyone who does this in PVP should be banned because bugusing in competitive mode.

So i feel happy when it does not work anymore.
Perhaps you guys start playing for real then instead of using one exploit/bug after the other.

Animation canceling is not a bug. This is how combat in ESO was designed since the earliest beta stages.

Nearly all players are already using animation canceling frequently without necessarily being aware of it. Every time you light attack and then use an ability or block, swap weapons, roll dodge, etc, you are canceling the previous animation.

This is what makes ESO's combat system more fast paced and exciting compared to some other MMOs. If there were no animation canceling, the combat would become a rather sluggish experience for everyone.

Consider how it would work...you fire off an ability, but instead of being able to immediately roll dodge to avoid an attack from a boss or another player, etc., you would have to stand there and wait for the first animation to completely finish. I don't think anyone would enjoy it if animation canceling were removed from the game. I imagine this would feel as if your controls were not responding properly.
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Since we have downtime we should get some more attention to this problem again!

Weaving (and other stuff) has been f'd since they made those unwanted changes to animation prioritization. They were told on the PTS that it was crap, they listened for one patch and then pushed it nevertheless in the following patch.

I don't think they'll ever respond to it, they have been ignoring the issue for a good half a year or so now.

With 1T, somethng was added, quite similar to skill "queue", which completly prevents from any kind of weaving - this is mostly feelable on cast-time (Snipe, Flurry, Jabs etc) skills used in rapid succession. Adding not fully working weapon swap or defence tools (Heaing Ward or dodge roll) is simply ruining rotations.
Just my two cents.

Cavedog wrote: »

Broken is when animation cancelling works, not when it doesn't.

No macro's and no animation cancelling should be the goal. If you want to use skills that take time to cast, it should take that much time. You shouldn't be able to animation cancel that time penalty away for the harder attack.

Try doing vma or outdamage some vet dungeon bosses with standard 2dd 1h 1t group without AC, then tell us it's a bug.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I certainly hope that ZoS fixes the Animation canceling bug. I think it's ridiculous that players are exploiting this bug to get high DPS.


Is a form of cheating and not skill.

Lol @ these kinds of comments.