Is there something wrong with weaving?

Armitas · October 2016

Since this last update when I play my mDK I cannot weave with a fire staff with whip, embers, or engulfing flames. Anyone else experiencing this?

Title changed to "weaving" from "animation canceling" to avoid confusion.

EDIT: Could someone that is experiencing this problem switch to the eso64.exe? and Turn off their minimap unless it's Votans MM. I have not had this occur again since I made those two changes. Edit, looks like it's on 64.exe too. I guess I have just been lucky lately.

Alucardo · October 2016

Haven't experienced it with fire staff + whip, because I don't run that kind of set up, but weaving and animation cancelling has been broken since Thieves Guild I think it was, and seems to be getting worse with every update.
People using S+B cancelling still seem to be doing fine, but staff > ability weaving appears to be completely stuffed.

Armitas · October 2016

So it's not just me. My mDK is completely unplayable for me. I have had to play my NB instead which seems to work. How has this gone on for so long?

Asmael · October 2016

I have no issues doing light weaves with inferno staves, but medium weaves seem to be completely broken for me. Half the time, the ability doesn't fire at all.

Mojmir · October 2016

Only issue I've had is aoes not going off periodically, shards,hurricane. They target but gotta smash buttons a few times

TheDarkRuler · October 2016

Animation canceling is a bug in my eyes.
Abilities have their cast durations, everyone using bugs to bypass this is a buguser.
And everyone who does this in PVP should be banned because bugusing in competitive mode.

So i feel happy when it does not work anymore.
Perhaps you guys start playing for real then instead of using one exploit/bug after the other.

Alucardo · October 2016

Actually, Nifty2g posted a thread about it a while ago with some really good information and evidence - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/269046/light-attacking-is-broken-and-animation-priority

It has been going on for a while now.

Armitas · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Actually, Nifty2g posted a thread about it a while ago with some really good information and evidence - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/269046/light-attacking-is-broken-and-animation-priority

It has been going on for a while now.

I can't believe they closed a lead thread for an ongoing issue just because there was a month long lapse in posting... I just don't get this game. Everytime it's like I have entered bizzaro world.

TequilaFire · October 2016

My destro staff aiming and firing has been wonky in general, a lot of the time doesn't even hit where I aim.
Getting so I don't even use my destro sorc anymore.

Annra · October 2016

Armitas wrote: »

My mDK is completely unplayable for me.

Really? You can't play your DK without using bugs?

Armitas · October 2016

Annra wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

My mDK is completely unplayable for me.

Really? You can't play your DK without using bugs?

Lol so even the bugs in this game are developing bugs.

Alucardo · October 2016

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Animation canceling is a bug in my eyes.
Abilities have their cast durations, everyone using bugs to bypass this is a buguser.
And everyone who does this in PVP should be banned because bugusing in competitive mode.

So i feel happy when it does not work anymore.
Perhaps you guys start playing for real then instead of using one exploit/bug after the other.

We're mostly talking about general staff weaving (light attack then an ability right after it), which is easy to do and really not a bug at all. You're probably talking about light attack, ransack, bash cancelling that gives tanks high DPS

BoiledEgg · October 2016

I don't have problems with animation canceling but since OT on my magicka dk I can't wave light attacks between skills anymore. I kinda got used to it and if I wave very slolwy it works but of course I lose a lot of dps. Strange thing is that it happens kinda randomly, sometimes it works perfectly fine, sometimes (actually most of the times) it doesn't.

alephthiago · October 2016

When weaving light attack + funnel health 1/2 of the times the light attack just wont fire.

alephthiago · October 2016

@ZOS_AntonioP
Dude, really?
That thread was VERY important and a lot of people were engaged waiting for an answer, closing that thread is like closing a ticket without giving any solution to the problem.
Whats wrong with you mods lately?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/269046/light-attacking-is-broken-and-animation-priority

The Uninvited · October 2016

No problem weaving medium attack with whip for me.

BigBressler · October 2016

People complaining about a lack of animation cancelling is like Melee players complaining about a lack of wave dashing in Brawl/Sm4sh. It's a bug, not a feature.

mtwiggz · October 2016

I've had a lot of issues with the timing of my animation canceling this patch. It seems like they further tweaked something since last patch when they added in the animation whatever-the-***.

Baconfat79 · October 2016

I'm having the same problem. LA/whip weaving is fine, but MA/whip weaving is totally screwed up. Most of the time one of the two abilities just doesn't fire at all.

Slylok · October 2016

Good.

iconofgrace · October 2016

Having the same issue. Magicka Sorcerer with Inferno Destruction Staff can't weave properly. If I cast a light attack or partially charged heavy attack, I often can't cast an ability immediately afterwards. The end result is a significant reduction in damage output. When weaving works, I wind up with single target damage around 20k DPS. When weaving doesn't work, I wind up with 12k-14k DPS. It's enough of a difference to severely impact my effectiveness in end-game content. Occasionally it works fine, but most of the time it doesn't.

Worth noting: this occurs with normal latency (for me, 80-ish ms). It happens in dungeons and in the over-world. Not seeing the issue at all on my Stamina toons, including a Stamina Sorcerer. In my case, I only experience the issue with Destruction Staves.

Alucardo · October 2016

Lol my flurry is all over the place too. I generally light attack between each flurry to proc my enchants, but sometimes the flurry just refuses to go off right after the light attack so I just start light attacking the air several times in a row.

boundsy88 · October 2016

Animation cancelling is broken AF right now. As an aussie who usually at best sits at around 260 ping, pre dark brotherhood patch i could animation cancel pretty consistently with all skills. then when DB dropped and the animation prioritization patch hit, so many insta cast abilities that were easy to weave started to feel clunky and delayed. Im not sure to what extent this affected players with good ping, but i knew for sure that there was a problem for me when this patch hit.

Channel abilities wouldn't show their animation properly and my character would stand there as if not doing anything, then all of a sudden 3 biting jabs casts would all fire off at once as if they were macro'ed

Alucardo · October 2016

boundsy88 wrote: »

Channel abilities wouldn't show their animation properly and my character would stand there as if not doing anything, then all of a sudden 3 biting jabs casts would all fire off at once as if they were macro'ed

Yeah this happens with flurry too, when it decides to actually go off.

Junipus · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Lol my flurry is all over the place too. I generally light attack between each flurry to proc my enchants, but sometimes the flurry just refuses to go off right after the light attack so I just start light attacking the air several times in a row.

Suffer the same thing sometimes with my stamblade, and previous posts about weaving with my magblade including funnel health and using wall of elements. Half the time I have to stop my rotation and mash the button half a dozen times to get the wall down before I can continue, especially since I use it primarily to keep track of my rotation.

There also seem to be a lot of simple people here glad that things are broken without realising that it's not just animation canceling but also weaving that's broken. Sure they might be players who have 10 abilities and spam one button or who run up to world bosses and light attack them acting like a Chihuahua against an elephant, but given that ZOS keep nerfing content because of people complaining they can't kill things as a Chihuahua it's having an overall negative impact on giving players something to strive towards.

Alucardo · October 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Lol my flurry is all over the place too. I generally light attack between each flurry to proc my enchants, but sometimes the flurry just refuses to go off right after the light attack so I just start light attacking the air several times in a row.

There also seem to be a lot of simple people here glad that things are broken without realising that it's not just animation canceling but also weaving that's broken. Sure they might be players who have 10 abilities and spam one button or who run up to world bosses and light attack them acting like a Chihuahua against an elephant, but given that ZOS keep nerfing content because of people complaining they can't kill things as a Chihuahua it's having an overall negative impact on giving players something to strive towards.

Agreed. There's a big difference between the animation cancelling they're thinking of and weaving. In fact, most people probably do general weaving without even thinking about it. It's one of those things you just pick up naturally.

rootimus · October 2016

Is there something wrong with animation canceling?

Just that it exists.

magnusthorek · October 2016

That's why I, on purpose, don't cancel animations.

If I'm playing a stamina class rgar constantly has to go to off-bar and apply Endless Haul or Razor Caltrops and wuickly get back to Flurry / Jabs and this quickly switching action cancels any animation, fine, I didn't provoke it. Otherwise, I wait them getiing finished.

This is because I think animation is something with a beginning and an end on purpose.

If you break this purpose accidentally, fine, but if you do knowing that you're shortening something purposedly long just to get astronomical DPS marks just to rub in the face of others that can't do it, be it by thinking it's cheat, by physical limitations, high latency and so on, it's completely wrong.

Junipus · October 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

That's why I, on purpose, don't cancel animations.

If I'm playing a stamina class rgar constantly has to go to off-bar and apply Endless Haul or Razor Caltrops and wuickly get back to Flurry / Jabs and this quickly switching action cancels any animation, fine, I didn't provoke it. Otherwise, I wait them getiing finished.

This is because I think animation is something with a beginning and an end on purpose.

If you break this purpose accidentally, fine, but if you do knowing that you're shortening something purposedly long just to get astronomical DPS marks just to rub in the face of others that can't do it, be it by thinking it's cheat, by physical limitations, high latency and so on, it's completely wrong.

Is it also cheating to include a light attack between each skill?

There's a difference between those who can't do it and those who refuse to do it and those who don't know you can do it.

Those who don't can learn, those who refuse go sour, those who don't know can find out.

magnusthorek · October 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Is it also cheating to include a light attack between each skill?

As long as it's not cancelling anything, I don't think it is. However if I was on charge of this game, I suppose I wouldn't allow light weave in heavy fights (bosses and big groups) because it doesn't make sensw in real fight / war.

Junipus wrote: »

There's a difference between those who can't do it and those who refuse to do it and those who don't know you can do it.

Those who don't can learn, those who refuse go sour, those who don't know can find out.

I'm feeling some hostility from now and on, so I'll try my best to not comment anymore.

And because I ate all the charge of my phone already >.<

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

I certainly hope that ZoS fixes the Animation canceling bug. I think it's ridiculous that players are exploiting this bug to get high DPS.

Is a form of cheating and not skill.