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code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Then don't do it.

If you don't want pull your hair out over it, then don't do it. I know people who are perfectly good DPS who have never touched vMA because that's just not their cup of tea. You can do everything in the game without vMA weapons--they're bonuses that you have to work for to get. You can't choose to seek a difficult reward and then complain that it's too difficult.

Baconfat79 wrote: »

If it dropped in blue from normal, you could upgrade it to gold, and there would be no reason for anyone to run vet mode anymore. No...just no.

People did veteran trials before they even its items dropped in cp160, people still do veteran trials now even though they can get blue items in normal.

There are leader-boards and higher chances to get better items in better quality on harder modes, but let the people who want to play for fun have access to these items too.

I imagine the amount of people who don't even try vMA now, imagine if there were a small chance for the weapons?
Same with trials, most people didnt even know they were there till they were scaled to 160 and stated to drop 160 gear on normal mode.

Content should be made to get played not to torture players, those who want to torture themselves will always have that option for better quality gear and higher drop rate

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Great player at solo content /= great player in group content, the only reason you should want a player with a malestrom weapon in your party is because of his malestrom weapon, he might suck at group content or have good self sustain but not very high dps.

doing solo content for the best pvp and pve weapons is a very stupid idea

You know what everyone, let him have the maelstrom weapon drops in normal. He can have them - under the condition that they only drop in training from normal.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Great player at solo content /= great player in group content, the only reason you should want a player with a malestrom weapon in your party is because of his malestrom weapon, he might suck at group content or have good self sustain but not very high dps.

doing solo content for the best pvp and pve weapons is a very stupid idea

LOL.

If you really believe a person that beat vMA will suck at group PvE, I guess you have zero insight into how this game works.
I don't value the Weapon he has, I value his vMA title (experience). He can wear Queen's Elegance swords for all I care.

You don't deserve a Maelstrom Weapon, simple as that.

Even if you somehow managed to get your hands on one, you would still be a bad player.

Let MA weapons drop in white quality, level 10 stats and only the worst traits in nMSA.

If you don't want to do vet mode, don't do it. If you can't do vet mode, git gud :^)

Dubhliam wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Let MA weapons drop in white quality, level 10 stats and only the worst traits in nMSA.

If you don't want to do vet mode, don't do it. If you can't do vet mode, git gud :^)

This is a terribad idea, only provoking more entertainment on the forum.

Fixed that for you

quadraxis666 wrote: »

You know what everyone, let him have the maelstrom weapon drops in normal. He can have them - under the condition that they only drop in training from normal.

Like this?

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I hate malestrom arena its the most non enjoyable annoying thing they could have ever made.

I'm forced to play solo for days, its so difficult not to mention horrible drops, its a complete pure waste of time.
Now since they are adding blue versions for every other set in the game in normal mode they should to the same with malestrom arena, most people hate it and will never do it on veteran and no other way to get these BiS weapons.

Now sets lile VO and IA which are BiS drop in normal Trails not to mention all other dungeon sets, the same shuold be done with malestrom weapons and leave veteran for leaderboards and competition. Ofc the drop rates should be decreased on normal, but it should be an available option.

I'm not a fan of vMA. It's a game of Simon, memorize what's going to happen and recreate run after run after run. It's tedious and boring. I'd rather react than repeat. It requires willingness to learn a game rather then play it. Not putting down those that like or enjoy it, and definitely not those capable of completing it. It's just not my cup of tea.

That being said if MA weapons were to drop in normal i think they would need to be cp150 at best. maybe even cp140 depending on the scaling, but this would probably make them not worth using.

I think there needs to be another way to get MA and Master weapons. I think there should be a Token system and vendor created so you can trade in BOP drops from dungeons and Trials for tokens to spend on items you're not getting. This insure you're getting rewarded for doing content, though it should require a good deal of tokens to obtain. Dungeon set drops (purple) armor should cost like 25 tokens, Weapons 50 tokens, Jewelry 100 , monster helms 125, and MA/Masters 1000. Trading in purple gear should earn you 1 token, weapons 1 tokens, jewelry 1 tokens, Monster helms 1 token, and MA/Masters weapons and Gold jewelry should give you 25 tokens.

I also think it's BS that sets that drop in both Overland AND in dungeons are bound when they drop from dungeons and free to sell and profit from in Overland. I see purple Senche Rings in guild stores, but I had to vendor the ones I get from dungeons since they're bound and I've already go a set. Why? The incentive for dungeons is get what you need an never go back and to never go unless you need something that specifically drops there. The Token system would give you a reason to run pledges/dungeons when the drops won't benefit you.

#tokensystem

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Incorrect: You also don't get DSA weapons or Monster masks in Normal.

And, no, it absolutely should not be an option. vMA is aspirational content, and the weapons are the exclusive reward of vMA. nMA is a joke and even a level 3 can beat it (I've done it). And it's good that there are still some things in this game that are skill-gated and not rewarded as mere participation prizes.

Virtually everyone who has beaten vMA had to suffer for their first clears. My first clear took over a hundred deaths (not counting the many deaths in my previous attempts--there was no save feature back then). Yes, it was painful and frustrating, but that's what made it worthwhile. Everyone goes through it. If you want those weapons, you have to as well.

I love the mentality of " just cause i suffered everyone else has to suffer too". If you want to torture yourself then play Veteran MA, personally I play to have fun not torture myself.

Nobody is forcing you to torture yourself.

But the best weapons are reserved for best players.
Prove you are worthy of them.

Seriously, when I see somebody having a Maelstrom weapon, I instantly know this is a great player.
And no, the weapon is not the thing that makes him great.

Great player at solo content /= great player in group content, the only reason you should want a player with a malestrom weapon in your party is because of his malestrom weapon, he might suck at group content or have good self sustain but not very high dps.

doing solo content for the best pvp and pve weapons is a very stupid idea

With all due respect you couldn't possibly be more wrong here...

There are equal if not more mechanics thrown at you in vma than most of the v trials. You seem to have convinced yourself that there is some unique only aquire skill via group play that makes vma invalid when comparing players.

Honestly that just suggests insecurity on your part. You may hate the content and chose not to do it, but you realize vma weapons are desireable and you begin to make up scenarios or conciveved realities that difficult end game group play tempers players in a way that vma cannot.

The truth is plain and simple, if you can hold your own in vma, it shows you have both dedication, patience, awareness to mechanics and environment, a keen knowledge of your class/build. All of those qualities are easily and readily interjected into any type of group play.

You are not entitled to the vma weapons so just stop. Suggesting that they are placed in non vma is absurd. They are a trophy as much as they are a bis goal for certain builds.