MakoFore wrote: »

average mobs are harder now on both levels. they have more life and if u aren't careful- anything can kill u. i think its great. gone are the days when we could simply hit steel tornado and melt mobs. that wasn't skill- that was armour levelling. now i need to know my tank is set- have my healer ready- i can t be a yolo idiot- which is the kind of game i want to play anyway. first couple of days were a bit humbling- to realise i wasn't nearly as formed a build as i thought- but now I'm enjoying the challenge.

even a bunch of vets and myself (not a vet) got cleaned up first ICP boss the other day- but it was great- we had to pull back plan it out like back in the day- and remember how to actually play - instead of just dps ing thru everything. felt like we actually accomplished something by getting that dungeon done that day.

@MakoFore I'm pinging you and going to ask you come back and look at the post right above yours. Mobs in normal mode are (in some cases) actually dealing more damage than vet. This just appears to be since yesterday's patch too. Not being able to DPs a boss down before the mechanics even happen is a good thing, I agree with you on that... But this is wonky.

Seems to me like ZOS mixed it up and gave normal mobs the damage that veteran mobs should do, and vice versa.

BFT88 wrote: »

So why exactly are you doing these dungeons at lvl 20-30. That is the better question since we already know you guys aren't geared properly and have no clue about your builds.

Dungeons are endgame activity? Wow ESO trully is unlike other MMOs. Grind till lvl 50 and then grind again to 160 cp and then get kicked by someone convinced that you need at least 500 cp. Truly new players are screwed.

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe you where doing the dungeons at low CP before one tamriel ( if you are 120, the dungeon was scaling at 120), now with one tamriel everything is at 160 CP and maybe this is the reason why a sub-optimal build like yours don't work anymore.

Maybe, just maybe you should read the previous replys first before commenting. Since when do you need 160CP to complete normal dungeons? I don't believe it's ESO's intention to ban anyone pre-160 out of the dungeons completely.

Absolutely horrible, people have to actually think about new things like "build" and "rotation" and "buff food now" and even learn something new that's called "dungeon mechanics"! ZOS please do SMTH!

2.2K weapon damage is terrible, DDs should have something like 3.5K unbuffed and over 4K buffed.
35K health means that you probably put most if not all points in health, leaving almost none for stamina
Damage scales on maximum stamina and weapon damage. And you don't need more than ~18K health as a DD, because the tank should get most of the aggro and you should get out of the red AOE, and even block and interrupt some attacks yourself.
Skoria set procs from DoTs. Not a very good set for stamina DD, since there are only a few stamina DoT skills - endless hail, caltrops, carve etc. There are much more magicka DoTs, and almost every class has one of those. Skoria is best on mage DK and mage Templar.

This has nothing to do with "L2P" or "your gear is incorrect" etc. It's simply a bug.

It cannot be intentional that since yesterday's (or Monday's) update normal dungeon mobs hit 2-3 times as hard as before, and even harder than vet mode dungeons.

No matter what their (or some player's here) idea of making dungeons more difficult is, increasing the difficulty this extremely - and even way past the vet level - can only be a bug.

Danksta wrote: »

czajos wrote: »

First of all i didnt ask for tips on my build, i can dishout decent dmg,and go full tanky if i need too..
Second that dosent change the fact that the mobs were buffed insanly as i mentioned i played this dung yesturday and had no problems with the same team now its just torture...

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was just trying to let you know that by going full heavy instead of light (magic) or medium (stamina) you're seriously gimping yourself in the damage department, most notably in your crit rate. Does that mean that you can't beat a normal dungeon doing so? No, not at all. I just figured I'd mention it since the only person you can force to get better is yourself.

actually i did a bit of an experiment. i am not a min/maxer and i dislike pvp so i was not worried about topping the charts. I put on full heavy (king slayer with gladiator) dual wield (sword) and bow. I was in medium armor before hand and i play a khajiit. My crit dropped from 64% to 57% (a somewhat nice drop) yet my weapon damage went from 2.2 up to 3.1k. since i run sorcerer i picked some of the stamina morphs for the bound armor/hurricane/crit surge. grabbed the other morph for DW (not steel tornado but its other choice) and flurry. Grabbed FDB and put on agi rings/neckless

I went in to FG with some friends and at one of the fights we lost our tank. i was able to step up and tank with what i had built mainly due to each proc from hurricane restoring hp so long as i had crit surge. my dw skill increasing my stam regen along with the drink i had. and flurry as a "oh ***" quick heal. At the end i was second on the dps (beating a NB by around 3k points) and i was also on the list for heals (all self heals because i'm greedy but still) So yes it is possible to make a heavy armored dps, is it viable? yes. will it top charts? nope. But since i made this guild i can solo just about anything including some of the overly powered bosses.
I am not lecturing you in any way for the advice given to the OP it is indeed solid advice, i am simply sharing my findings with everyone.

altemriel wrote: »

maybe you mistakenly set the dung to veteran version?

Isn't V2 of any dungoen Vet level now? V1 is normal and then there's hard mode vet (v3?)

Play the way you want but then do so solo, not in a group. It needs 4 guys and teamwork, not ajusting the build for the role is like slapping the other 3 people in the face. You can re-equip what ever you want outside the dungeon when going solo.
I don't take any 7/7 heavy shieldbash spammer "dps" with me because it just really is offending towards the whole group.
And feeling pissed after people try to help in a honest way, based on their expirience... well then don't expect to get a hardmode endboss with 9mio HP done in under 30mins.