Carbonised wrote: »

Alright Zenimax, jesus christ what's wrong with your world boss difficulty? I did Stonefalls, two of the bosses (the netch and the dreugr) I soloed without too much difficulty, the third one, the Golden Saint at Shivering Shrine, we were 3 max CP level players, and yet she killed us all 4-5 times before going down. Her flame whip pretty much instakilling anyone despite blocking, having full health on and a shield etc.

The difficulty on these seem hugely different. Is there a reason why some of them can be soloed quite easily, and one takes 3-4 maxed people to go down, and even then you die? Would be nice if they were at least around the same difficulty.

I had a few issues with that lava whip myself. I believe it is too powerful in the hands of the bad guys and not powerful enough in my own hands.

SanSan wrote: »

Get more people and don't forget the 5 Ds, Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge.
I love this new difficulty. Requires a lot of people to take them down. Actually feels like a world BOSS instead of a cupcake.

This. I wish there was more of it.

I think the world bosses are getting back to what they always should have been. This is my first MMO and I do not tend to want to interact with people. World bosses and dolmens back when the game first came out first had me waiting by bosses hoping someone would come along and start the fight so I could join in. A bit later in less populated zones I eventually had to ask for help in zone if I wanted to do them. Eventually that led me to joining a guild and now I have a great time doing group activities.
Then the bosses became easy. Basically the bosses were just something you popped if there was something near you wanted to harvest. There was no fun involved and no need to seek assistance. In short had the bosses been as easy in the beginning as they became before the latest update I would have missed a large part of the game.

World bosses should take a group to bring them down. Dolmens shouldn't be something that when they spawn the nearest person drops them down in a minute or two. They should be up for a long time while players rally to get enough to close them. Would be really nice if dropping a dolmen was an epic event that didn't just easily happen.

I like that I can't go around just killing things that get in the way of my grabbing mats with no worry. Makes for a better game I think. I know I get a lot more out of it when I have to interact with other players. When the game first came out it was common to see people skip content until they could get the help needed (or level above it). Was also more common to see people respond to requests for help in my opinion because help was often actually needed.

Makes me happy that there might be something out there in the zone I run across that I can't handle alone.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

this is just zos making this game more kiddie friendly and hand holding making world bosses easier

The world bosses are harder now, not easier.. some are a LOT harder than they used to be.

The dolmens are about the same difficulty I think. My MagSorc could still solo them as he could before. The mobs are just a bit different (more xivkyn & special daedra monsters) & will damage you if you stand where they spawn. When you solo a dolmen, a lot less mobs spawn.

I am not sure how the dolmen loot works... sometimes I got green jewellery.. other times I got blue or even purple. Probably just random.

Tactical32 wrote: »

You'd rather them be soloable with your monitor off like they used to be?

No thanks.

I found this hilarious for some reason. TY

Get good? Ive had issurs withone... But my food had worn off and i was standing in red

Carbonised wrote: »

I really like how the last 30 or so posts pretty much failed to adress the issue of arbitrary inconsistency and instead consisted of a mixture of your usual condescending and patronising 'git gud' comments and insinuations of me not knowing how to play my own character or being some snowflake build.

Consistency doesn't need addressing given the patch notes explicitly state that

World Bosses
World bosses throughout Tamriel have been rebalanced to target groups of four instead of two.

If anything that implies the bosses that are yet redesigned are inconsistent with the intent of the changes.

Carbonised wrote: »

I really like how the last 30 or so posts pretty much failed to adress the issue of arbitrary inconsistency and instead consisted of a mixture of your usual condescending and patronising 'git gud' comments and insinuations of me not knowing how to play my own character or being some snowflake build.

But hey, thanks for reminding me how rotten and misanthropic this community is, for a minute there I had forgotten that

There are those that would call that "arbitrary inconsistency" variety. Why should each world boss differ only by appearance? Doesn't take long to figure out which ones you can solo and which ones you need help with. Finding that out adds something to the game that has been missing for a while.

Tested the Golden Saint boss myself. Now it's clearly not easily soloable, mainly due to the increased add spawns, rather than increased health or damage. The strategy is the same as ever - stay ranged and dodge her attacks, while kiting her around. There was a group of 4-5 players but most were getting shot in the face and kept dying. I somehow grabbed the aggro, and kept kiting her around while doing the focused aim (debuff), poison injection (DoT), light attacks (hawk eye passive, ult gain), heavy attacks (also stamina recovery) then close in flawless flawless dawnbreaker/ferocious leap combo. Healed myself mostly whit rally when I got hit, only used vigor a couple of times, when my health got low. Probably with an AoE ability like acid spray and a bit of practice I could have done the adds too. It's certainly challenging, comparable to one of the stationary bosses in IC sewers (soloed most of those), but nowhere near a veteran dungeon boss. If 4 "stronk" players couldn't kill her, how do they handle those?

Joy_Division wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I can solo all the bosses in a normal pledge that's supposed to be designed for a group, but not a world boss in EPs starting areas.#yourlogiczosisdumb

Yeah while some of the world overland bosses are soloable, some are even harder than the 4 man dungeon bosses. Makes very little sense. It's not as if these harder bosses give any better loot or rewards than their easier counterparts.

Don't really see the point of this difficulty. Dark anchors are soloable, delves are soloable, why shouldn't world bosses be soloable as well, when the reward are exactly the same.

As other people have told you, because it's not necessarily a bad thing that there is one boss in Stonefalls that actually presents a challenge whereas every other part of the single-play experience in ESO we can sleepwalk through (something you admit).

I mean listen to yourself: You actually want ZoS to nerf a world boss, which was created in the first place to encourage player to group up (watch the dev development video), because you can't solo it.

If you are by yourself, simply leave it alone and go kill the other bosses in the zone. That one hard world boss doesn't have exclusive drops you can't get anywhere else. Why does every world boss have conform to a standard that you find acceptable? Isn't that a bit selfish? What's the problem with having 1 hard world boss for people who are more experienced or to still act in it's original function: encouraging players to group up? There is no harm in doing so, you aren't losing out going to the 5 other bosses because, as you say, the reward is exactly the same.

Now that I know this boss is challenging, I will travel to Stonefalls and try to kill it. Thank you ZoS, my opinion of the patch has just increased.

Is that the case though? That 1 of the world bosses will be alot harder while the others remain soloable? Thus meaning if we play solo and they drop the same loot it's not going to stop us from collecting the set we're after.

I think there's however a limit for bosses to drop loot. Only the N players who do the most damage to the boss get any loot, but the loot table is the same for all, with separately generated loot for each player though so you can't "ninja" some items from the other players. So beating the boss solo, or in a group of M<=N players would result in the same loot chances for all M. But if there are N players in the group and N+1 and N+2 players come along, or simply don't do enough damage, they will receive nothing. That's the case with bosses in IC, including Molag Bal.

Asardes wrote: »

I think there's however a limit for bosses to drop loot. Only the N players who do the most damage to the boss get any loot, but the loot table is the same for all, with separately generated loot for each player though so you can't "ninja" some items from the other players. So beating the boss solo, or in a group of M<=N players would result in the same loot chances for all M. But if there are N players in the group and N+1 and N+2 players come along, or simply don't do enough damage, they will receive nothing. That's the case with bosses in IC, including Molag Bal.

I'm not 100% sure on this, put im sure I read that you used to have to do 10% of the said enemies max health in damage to be able to loot them, and that it had been dropped to something around 3%. Pretty sure it was something along those lines in the patch notes.

dem0n1k wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

this is just zos making this game more kiddie friendly and hand holding making world bosses easier

The world bosses are harder now, not easier.. some are a LOT harder than they used to be.

The dolmens are about the same difficulty I think. My MagSorc could still solo them as he could before. The mobs are just a bit different (more xivkyn & special daedra monsters) & will damage you if you stand where they spawn. When you solo a dolmen, a lot less mobs spawn.

I am not sure how the dolmen loot works... sometimes I got green jewellery.. other times I got blue or even purple. Probably just random.

i still do them solo

Finally managed to take on a WB last night. Rageclaw. I had the PTS feedback thread and this thread to go by for what to expect from the boss, and I still never even dreamed they cranked him up that much.

Frankly, I found it tedious. Hard, yes, but not actually interesting.

So much insta-death.
So little cake.

Fun to group with new people.
Still hurts...ouch.
Would do it again.