tklawson wrote: »

I am a little confused, perhaps someone can answer this question:

How is this better for people just trying to level a toon to level 50? Before, I followed efficient leveling, which had me fighting mobs in coldharbour that were 5-8 levels above me. I assume that I was getting more XP because they were at a higher level, than I will be getting now that I am on the same "level" - or am I misunderstanding something?

Well, for starters, you can never "out-level" the area you are in, so as long as you choose to stay in a zone, you will get full XP and loot. Before One Tamriel, it was possible to level faster or slower than the zone content expected. If you leveled faster, you left quests behind because they turned grey and loot and mob level would be too low for you. If you leveled slower, you ran out of content in the zone and had to move to a harder zone before you were ready. It was pretty hard to do the latter, but I have heard of it. It was probably pretty common to level faster than the zone expected.

tklawson wrote: »

A side question, my gear is level 34, am I better waiting until I get to level 50, so I can max my gear before fighting Molag Bal, so that I don't need to make level 46 gear that I will only use for a day or two at most (until I reach 50 - I have more than 160 CP)

Not really a question, but use the gear indicator on your character page to keep your gear fresh. All you have to do is toss on what you happen to find as you explore. Don't go out of your way to find or make specific gear unless you really have a reason to be doing that.

OP walk into Cyrodiil and see how weak you feel. Try to run some trials and you'll feel the need to continue your progression. I can semi-understand you're thinking here but endgame still holds plenty of challenges that'll give you some desire to level up/gather skills/gear up

I love the change from an immersion perspective and the problem highlighted in this thread is not so great in Craglorn. They could take the Craglorn model and use it in other zones.

Craglorn has both solo and group areas now and frankly I love it. Last night I died twice while soloing in PvE. It was the first time PvE killed me outside a dungeon since skeevers were soaking the forums with tears and some of the first PvE content I actually enjoyred. I had to move gear around, change food/drink and pots, use more survival skills, and then I finally got through Rhanni'Za Arena. At the time, I didn't realize they left group content in Craglorn and Rhanni'Za is in a group area. So, Craglorn has a base difficulty level and increased difficulty level based on where you are. They should do something similar throughout. Combine it with a zone-experience system and problem solved.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Well, your stats still improve via attribute points and stronger enchantments, and you get more skill points and better passives over time and stuff like that, not to mention better gear.
There's still some progression, but it's more incremental. More subtle. Less direct and vertical.

Atrribute points progression? Well, it's so strange to see that my naked lvl15 Khajiit crafter now has more Health than my CP341 main character... And talking about better gear, it's also very strange to see that all weapons at the crafting table now have the same damage, from lvl1 iron sword to cp160 rubedite sword...

saucefarb16_ESO wrote: »

I have two crafted sets of gear on my templar at level 30 while i'm level 47, because gear now uses levels it has rendered my gear completely obsolete and i have a hard time killing elites where before it was 3-4 hits with puncturing sweeps.

I don't want to sit and craft gear every third level, i will uninstall before doing any of that.

My sorc is lvl 22 with lvl 10 gear and I combo enemies easily. Though I have max CP, I imagine it's about how effective your gear+ skills are not just using one ability and expecting top tier results.

You will need to master the art of "solo" play. Sometimes It means you taking on the roles of healer, tank, dps on your limited 2 bar setup.

It can be done.

So far I really, really like One Tamriel and they scaling they introduced.
I've got 12 characters slots and I delete and start over with characters a whole lot. Just the past month I think I deleted 4 or 5 characters. With all the restarts what had become glaringly obvious to me was that it's incredibly easy to outlevel enemies. I can't stress enough how incredibly easy it was. Incredibly.
It ruined the main game for me because the NPCs would send me off to the next area after clearing the start zone, raising expectations of new tough enemies to battle. Only to almost oneshot those 'new tough enemies' the moment I entered the zone. And this incredibly difficult to avoid outleveling kept stacking, the further along you went the road the bigger your discrepancy to the environment became.
Did you notice how I wrote 'main game'? Because this wasn't an issue with the DLCs. This is why I started to, whenever I made a new character, travel to Orsinium or Abah's Watch or the Gold Coast (or even Cyrodiil although I detest PvP) the moment I hit level 5 and had collected the extra attribute from the Prophet. Sure with some characters it was tough to pull off (Especially Orsinium with sword and shield Dragonknight, first quest was the death of me) but tough is way more fun than incredibly easy for me. Sure the sense of progress for raising a two digit number was gone, but my sense of progress was always from first buying enough skills to fill the skill bar, from getting your first ultimate etc. the level number had always been super arbitrary for me, and when in the DLC zones I never even glanced at it.
Yeah I was used to the scaling before One Tamriel hit because it's the same as was in the DLC zones, I knew what was coming. And I was and am ecstatic that it was coming because it means that I can finally, finally enjoy the main game again without it being incredibly easy.

Greifenherz wrote: »

So far I really, really like One Tamriel and they scaling they introduced.
I've got 12 characters slots and I delete and start over with characters a whole lot. Just the past month I think I deleted 4 or 5 characters. With all the restarts what had become glaringly obvious to me was that it's incredibly easy to outlevel enemies. I can't stress enough how incredibly easy it was. Incredibly.
It ruined the main game for me because the NPCs would send me off to the next area after clearing the start zone, raising expectations of new tough enemies to battle. Only to almost oneshot those 'new tough enemies' the moment I entered the zone. And this incredibly difficult to avoid outleveling kept stacking, the further along you went the road the bigger your discrepancy to the environment became.
Did you notice how I wrote 'main game'? Because this wasn't an issue with the DLCs. This is why I started to, whenever I made a new character, travel to Orsinium or Abah's Watch or the Gold Coast (or even Cyrodiil although I detest PvP) the moment I hit level 5 and had collected the extra attribute from the Prophet. Sure with some characters it was tough to pull off (Especially Orsinium with sword and shield Dragonknight, first quest was the death of me) but tough is way more fun than incredibly easy for me. Sure the sense of progress for raising a two digit number was gone, but my sense of progress was always from first buying enough skills to fill the skill bar, from getting your first ultimate etc. the level number had always been super arbitrary for me, and when in the DLC zones I never even glanced at it.
Yeah I was used to the scaling before One Tamriel hit because it's the same as was in the DLC zones, I knew what was coming. And I was and am ecstatic that it was coming because it means that I can finally, finally enjoy the main game again without it being incredibly easy.

Ya I'm with you.. I don't see how were having a "hard time" with solo questing.. as you can out level content so fast... the only thing I can see if they are skipping zones, whole zones into areas that they shouldn't for there level. Like level 15's in coldharbor... Now that everything scales.. when I have alt that needs to get more skill points and goes in after delves and skyshards it wont feel like a utter waste of time going back in to zones that were before this update were way below me in level...

Sheridan wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Well, your stats still improve via attribute points and stronger enchantments, and you get more skill points and better passives over time and stuff like that, not to mention better gear.
There's still some progression, but it's more incremental. More subtle. Less direct and vertical.

Atrribute points progression? Well, it's so strange to see that my naked lvl15 Khajiit crafter now has more Health than my CP341 main character... And talking about better gear, it's also very strange to see that all weapons at the crafting table now have the same damage, from lvl1 iron sword to cp160 rubedite sword...

Yeah, I think they should have spent a little more time on some of the edge effects.

One interesting side effect has been brought to my attention, and that is that new players can now ignore gear and suddenly realize that they needed to not ignore it when they wonder what these "stars" on the character page mean.

One Tamriel, as it turns out, is holding the hands of the players, particularly the new ones, a little too tightly. The devs realize this, but they patched it instead of changing it, which begs the question about what it was about the fix that they did not like. The patch is academic, rather than one of practice.

@ElBiggus I found last night that I was 1 or 2 shotting the wolves in bleakrock (for a whopping total of 3xp each) on a lvl 12/13 character.

The zero effort mob kills still exist.

Giant_Lizard wrote: »

I don't know your feelings about it, but for me this "feature" really destroyed any fun I had in the game.

Seems to me Zenimax have implemented the 'Oblivion killer' feature, that also afflicted Skyrim, in a game where players can't mod it out of existence.

Sigtric wrote: »

Now it is much more in-line with how a traditional Elder Scrolls game works, and makes it more rewarding (xp and gear wise) to visit places you would have other wise been too high of a level to gain anything from.

This is great for me.

Let's see:

Arena - nope, no level scaling
Daggerfall - nope, no level scaling
Morrowind - nope, no level scaling
Oblivion - yes, lousy feature that many modded out
Skyrim - level scaling sort of, that many modded out

Not sure how you define 'traditional' but none of the TES games I play, either by design or by choice, sadly ESO doesn't have the choice to mod out this abomination.

Of course, 'traditional' TES games use entirely different leveling mechanics so ESO is utterly unlike any 'traditional' TES game in its basic mechanics.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I know that a lot of people either like or dislike the One Tamriel changes, but I want to just list off the positives as I see them. I think for many its simply a matter of perspective, and if they look at things from another angle they might have more fun with it.

1) You will be rewarded in better experience for staying in your zone and clearing everything. For the completionists out there this is wonderful. I can recollect running maps and as I got toward the end I was earning almost no experience for my time and efforts. This lets new players get caught up to the 'end game' while still being able to soak all the enjoyment they like out of that game.

I don't mind doing quests and getting no XP; I'm not playing it to become a super-elite winzor of teh world, and I don't consider it a waste to help out an NPC and receive nothing in return.

2) Team with your friends: I literally had 10 friends from another game quit ESO over this one. Now it is possible for a cp 561 and a level 2 character to team up and everyone gets at least SOME reward. Teaming is the point of an mmo, and when you have all your slots filled with Veterans its nice to be able to help low level friends.

For you, maybe that's good. Me, I play the game solo; it's nice to happen to run across someone who's doing the same quest as you so you can share the workload, but I don't seek out other players. It's good to know they're there, but for the most part I look on them as unusually mobile NPCs.

3) Bosses are now scaled to challenge, Dolmens can be rewarding and fun for everyone. The challenge of the game is actually improved in some areas. I realize that the opportunity to overpower a zone has been done away with, just like the capacity to feel the challenge of getting Werewolf or Vampire at less than level 10. You can still challenge yourself though, you just have to be more creative about it.

I might give you that one; fought a worls boss earlier, and were it nor for someone else joining it I'd have either died repeatedly or taken three hours to wear it down while I desperately tried to stay alive, but they're only a tiny part of the content. (Again, I'm not interested in getting the greatest gear -- for me the game stops once I've done the last sidequest.)

4) Cross faction players can finally team. I would never have made alternate faction characters had this been a thing when I started. Nowadays you can play with friends who came to ESO and simply wanted to start out in a different alliance.

See 2. Other players are other players, and unless they stand still long enough for you to get a bead on them the fact that they're in one faction or another isn't something you can easily spot, so this change has has zero impact on my life.

P.S.: I'd like to see them add the capacity to replay old missions, at the very least the side missions (Though it would be fun to repeatedly kill Molag Bal over and over).

They do. It's called "create a new character"...

old_mufasa wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Now it is much more in-line with how a traditional Elder Scrolls game works, and makes it more rewarding (xp and gear wise) to visit places you would have other wise been too high of a level to gain anything from.

This is great for me.

Let's see:

Arena - nope, no level scaling
Daggerfall - nope, no level scaling
Morrowind - nope, no level scaling
Oblivion - yes, lousy feature that a few modded out but the majority left alone
Skyrim - level scaling sort of, a few modded out but the majority left alone

Not sure how you define 'traditional' but none of the TES games I play, either by design or by choice, sadly ESO doesn't have the choice to mod out this abomination.

Of course, 'traditional' TES games use entirely different leveling mechanics so ESO is utterly unlike any 'traditional' TES game in its basic mechanics.

There fixed it in bold....

You're probably right about Skyrim, but if you honestly think your "fix" is even the tiniest bit true of Oblivion on the PC platform, you're not living in objective reality. Ten years ago, the Bethesda forums were full of torches and pitchforks.

I like the idea of One Tamriel, scaling, being able to go where I want.

But boy do I hate the increase in difficulty.
I'm a solo player through and through and not at level cap yet (level 43).

Before I could play just fine; not too difficult as long as I didn't do anything stupid and with bosses I just had to be careful or come back a little later with 1 or 2 extra levels or gear updates under my belt.

Now, in the same area, fighting 3 mobs is doable but a chore (takes rather long) and bosses have become (almost) impossible.
The difficulty seems to have increased by 50 to 100%.
So what was a challenging, but doable and thus fun, game has suddenly turned into a frustrating grind that is not much of my kind of fun any more.

I'll give it a couple more tries, maybe wait for possible fine-tuning patches etc., but my very first impressions are not good at all.