Tabbycat wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

The only part of One Tamriel that irks me is the cross faction stuff, Storywise this kills the 3 Banners War completely.

Daggerfall is being occupied by EP and AD soldiers. Auridon is being occupied by EP and DC soldiers, Mournhold is being occupised by DC and Ad soliders...wth is anyone fighting for?

Play Skyrim, you will be wandering around the world and see The Stormcloaks come across the Thalmor and immediately they are fighting to death...no way the Stormcloaks are going to allow the Thalmor to walk freely in their country.

But in ESO, the Lion Guard simply doesn't care that a former EP Emp and EP solider is walkiong around freely in their capital...who gives a damn right? TES has ALWAYS been about the story, and now the Alliance War has no story...not as long as the guards and such don't care that enemies to their country are occupying their lands and no one gives a rat about it.

its relaly laughable at this point. Look One tamriel is not all bad, they have done a lot of stuff I like. Many of the changes im excited about, but they could have implemented cross faction without killing the lore of the 3 Banners War off completely...like i dunno...say the Lion Guard will want to kill EP and Ad players on sight because ya know...they are currently the enemy to their country, to their government, and currently they are in a war with them at the moment maybe? lol....

What going on right now would be the equivalent of Ulfic Stormcloak bending his knee to Thalmor (Simply not gonna happen, he would rather die first)

I'm not really sure it's all that different than Cadwell's Gold and Silver. The only difference, of course, is that you aren't "disguised" by Cadwell so the other faction thinks you are part of it and now you can see all the other factions.

People complained they couldn't understand why they would want to help out the opposite faction by doing Cadwells quests. I suppose it is all optional as you don't have to quest in the other factions territories.

It also wouldn't surprise me at all if Sheogorath was involved in all this. You know he would enjoy the enemy being right under their noses without them even noticing.

Creative i gotta admit.

I'll just have to ignore this obvious butchering of the 3 Banners War story as long as i continue to play. Not much i really can do at this point. there is enough good with this update to simply look past that for now. However, ZOS needs to be more careful in the future not to butcher the lore they are trying to base the game on. You don't see Bethesda back tracking and butchering their lore and stories.

we will see how it goes for now

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Heaven forbid a MMO break tradition for the sake of enjoyment.

Lets be honest, what impact did the banners war have outside of PVP? None. Our max level characters became a personal confidant of all three alliance leads and likely more. If your arguing for the story, then I argue that is complete nonsense.

Baulderdash.

To be honest, the Banners War lore was butchered the second ZOS allowed certain folks to be High Elves fighting for the Covenant and vice versa. There's almost more elves and kahjiit in the Covenant army than Bretons at times. lol

So, why worry? Its not like having a bunch of talented Breton mercs fighting for the Dominion or vice versa is completely unfathomable.

IMO they could have done the scaling in slightly differently though. Much in the same way the group dungeons are done. To leave the upper scaling limit open, but have a fixed lower one. For example have:

Bleak Rock/Bal Foyen scale from level 4-CP160
Stonefalls scale from level 6-CP160
Deshaan scale from level 16-CP160
Shadowfen scale from level 24-CP160
Eastmarch scale from level 31-CP160
The Rift scale from level 38-CP160
Coldharbour scale form level 44-CP160
Craglorn scale from CP10-160

Nodes would also have a lower limit, which is the current one, but the higher one should be open.
For example in Shadowfen you would find:
100% orichalc if you have less than 3 metalworking and you are under level 35
50/50% orichalc and calcinium if you are less than 3 metalworking and CP15
100% voidstone if you have 9 metalworking and CP100
50/50% rubedite and voidstone if you have metalworking 9 and you are CP150+
100% rubedite if you have metalworking 10 and you are CP150+
In the current system is actually possible to find iron there if you go at level 5.

Giant_Lizard wrote: »

Another bad side I can see now, it's that I don't need to travel anymore. I can stay in the same spot, killing the same mobs or the same world boss. It will always give me good exp and good gear, related to my lvl.

Well, that's what the story-line is for typically. When you reached endgame before, what you'll find is that you tended to be stuck in Wrothgar or one of the crime DLC areas. Likewise with Cyrodiil, some folks spend their entire game from lvl 10 to max entirely in Cyrodiil for the good exp, gear etc. After maxing out, 3/4 of the gameworld would be literally worthless to you. At least now, it makes those places functionally useful again for folks.

To be honest, you should be blaming the people who lack any diversity within this game. Most players will grind several hours straight to 50, and go straight to Cyrodil. THEN those same people [snip] about how the game "has no content" and is "boring." Yet they haven't even experienced 99.999999% of the game.

Leveling these days is an absolute joke. Especially now that all the zones are scaled. Which, compared to the ridiculous crap we used to have to level through, I guess that part makes sense. For me personally, the scaling doesn't bother me so much. It's more dealing with the factions mixed together now. So all the Sypher/Fengrush nutswingers who rage whisper you in Cyrodil telling you to "kill yourself" or threaten to [snip] you are now able to interact with you in game from day to day. Mostly because ZOS doesn't ban people like that, which is pathetic.

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so before the path my level 34 stam sorc felt like a bad ass, wrecking things and going through the quests like aq knife through butter
now everything has more HP so the entire game is just slower now
i do less dps to things because they have the extra hp etc but i dont have the extra passives yet to increase the damage

this sucks
i really hate this update
all i needed was making the road to level 50 feel more tedious and well they done that

The difficulty of most content is laughable, even at CP160. Soloed the public dungeons in Cadwell's Gold on my alts a few days before the patch with level 44 training gear and just heath buff from "crusty bread" for the achievements and skill points. Did the one in Deshaan, Forgotten Crypts, on my DC Templar in ~15 minutes: quest, mini-bosses and group event boss with 0 deaths and even replaced one of my DD skills with soul trap at some point to fill some empty gems I had. I did part of Halls of the Dead in Eastmarch yesterday on my DK and also was in no danger of death despite healing only with rally. And those are supposed to be group content.

spectre303 wrote: »

Maybe try it for a few days first before dismissing it outright.

A valid counter, but let me mention a real world situation.

I happened to cross an Elder Scrolls player last night. He played the game (he was the one who got ME into the game) but has been off playing other games. As he is a player that could benefit from One Tamriel, I am actually interested in him returning. Not only was he fun to play with, but he has a whole gaming group that is fun to play with. The problem is that his gaming group got splintered. He tried to get everyone to make a DC, but some of them didn't. Characters at different levels made grouping more of a chore than it should have been. I think his problems might be "fixed" with One Tamriel.

We spent about 15 minutes talking about ESO. Is he coming back because of One Tamriel? Short answer is that I don't think so.

1. He does not see the point in leveling a character given that all the monsters are the same level. I did explain that it was mostly that combat leveling that did not matter as much, and pointed out benefits with XP and loot that are now scaled to the player and actually useful. I said that crafting was still a leveling exercise. He accepted the answer but did not seem convinced.
2. ESO was too easy for him before, so he would go into over-level areas for more challenge. He was quick to notice that this is not possible with One Tamriel. I mentioned zone group world bosses, but his experience with other games is that these tend to get nerfed to the lowest common denominator player, so they end up being easily solo'ed by anyone who knows what they are doing. Nothing to argue there; ZOS actively does this.
3. Resource nodes are scaled to the player. His statement was that selling lower level crafting resources was an easy way to make gold because there were always people looking for lower level materials. Years ago, before ESO, he was the one who introduced me to the idea of selling crafting resources rather than gear to make gold in games. He asked me if it was now required to keep a character at specific levels in order to farm lower level crafting resources. I simply said that there might be no market because players can very easily get their own. They trip over whatever they need any time they leave town.

So, when we parted, he did not sound interested in One Tamriel, despite being an MMORPG player for years and part of a gaming group that routinely tours different games. Part of me is sad, but I do recognize that this is probably not the player that ZOS is looking for. He is not a ZOS casual. When he plays, he wants the game to be challenging, and with some sense of progression.

This is one player who will probably not spend a few days playing to get an impression. His impression is more based on the description that one gets when reading the press release about One Tamriel.

I see both sides.

Scaling has ruined certain things like node farming for crafters, the natural progression of the main quest (for new players) and to feel accomplished when you reach a new level and can best the foes who beat you before.

For veteran players this change is welcoming because we can go back to those areas we love but were too OP for. It's also good for grinding new toons.

One thing I will say is when you get to level 50 you'll see your CP raise, which will give you back your sense of levelling up.

Also, it's hard to know who ZOS is catering for atm. Lots of things don't seem veteran-friendly (Crown Crates!) but then the scaling seems more designed for alts imo. Either way, I get the feeling things are steadily sloping downwards. Just that sense of foreboding

Giant_Lizard wrote: »

When I encountered a strong mob (a group boss maybe) and I wanted to take it down alone, if I couldn't, I just made some lvl more, became stronger, went back and kicked his...butt. Now it's useless. If I can't kill a mob, I just can't. I will be forced to do it with a group of people. That's not funny.

My opinion, of course.

I 100% agree with you on this point. It's really frustrating. Of course I'll add that my character is suited more for PvP. I'm actually scared to try PvE. I tried to solo the mages guild daily and I died six times. Extremely frustrating but I eventually completed it by seeing a passerby kill the mobs

AKSb16_ESO2 wrote: »

I think the scaling was done wrong. It should be like it is in Guild Wars.
Do not scale the lowbies up, scale the veterans down to the levels of the specific area.
Loot is for your specific level of course.
This would be much better and the lowlevels still have the feeling of getting stronger when levelling.

This may have been stated already, but....I am looking forward to the scaling (console player) with my Champion level players only. I will give an example to illustrate my point. I have 3 Champion level players ( champion 224) of which none have completed silver ( let alone gold), since I went through the DLC's upon hitting level 50 . I love questing and the immersion of getting into the story-lines but I still want to get meaningful gear updates, relevant crafting material and not "cake-walk" content. One Tamriel should give my "silver over-leveled" characters MANY options as to where to go and do this.
Not sure if Iexplained this properly but as was stated by someone else in this thread, I think One Tamriel should be great for Champion characters and new players who want to play with friends that have been playing for a while !

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Now it is much more in-line with how a traditional Elder Scrolls game works, and makes it more rewarding (xp and gear wise) to visit places you would have other wise been too high of a level to gain anything from.

This is great for me.

I disagree, in the other games, you walked into some areas and if you weren't equipped well enough you would die! Now it doesn't matter.

I didn't say it was exactly the same, and what you say holds true here.

If you take a level 3 character to the Gold Coast and try to fight the Minotaur Shamans, as an example, you will get crushed very easily. But, just like in other TES titles, if you are crafty enough, there are ways to overcome.

I am a little confused, perhaps someone can answer this question:

How is this better for people just trying to level a toon to level 50? Before, I followed efficient leveling, which had me fighting mobs in coldharbour that were 5-8 levels above me. I assume that I was getting more XP because they were at a higher level, than I will be getting now that I am on the same "level" - or am I misunderstanding something?

A side question, my gear is level 34, am I better waiting until I get to level 50, so I can max my gear before fighting Molag Bal, so that I don't need to make level 46 gear that I will only use for a day or two at most (until I reach 50 - I have more than 160 CP)

Otherwise, I like that I can now do the caldwell's gold level public dungeons, because the zones are not deserted wastelands.