Zenimax owe Craglorn trade guilds money

imenace · October 2016

Leon119 wrote: »

I would actually feel bad for you guys, but then i remember you are stupidly rich and raise the prices of consumables to stupid amounts because u want a pool of gold coins to swim in when player housing becomes available ?
So yeahhh no. Suck it up

actually users get more *** by this, i am in one of the guilds and i had prepped items to sell & farmed the new sets, now im basically screwed

Dubhliam · October 2016

SantieClaws · October 2016

Oh things got changed around in the Craglorn did they?

Then khajiit had a big pile of the best fluffy Cybiadian yarn stashed right by the side if the wayshrine - yes this one she did - no one can possibly say otherwise now yes. Also a pile of the gold coins big enough to jump in and make all kinds of jingly noises. There was also a small mountain of the sweetrolls and 10 kegs of the fine and rare Totambu Cider (vintage 2E 547).

Yes also there were 20 solid gold statutes of various notable worthies from say ... Wayrest. All of them covered in the most precious gems!

Khajiit is most terribly aggrieved to be parted from her precious possessions. This one she can have them all back please yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Shad0wfire99 · October 2016

imenace wrote: »

what a *** show.

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

These guys must not realize how much money then could make if they worked together. Ask the XBox NA guys. It's way more entertaining when you hate each other, though. Carry on.

how you liking the prices on console?

My opinion on the pricing has zero to do with how much money can be made by them working together. But, to answer your question, I made a mil last week, so I like them just fine atm.

Leon119 · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

I would actually feel bad for you guys, but then i remember you are stupidly rich and raise the prices of consumables to stupid amounts because u want a pool of gold coins to swim in when player housing becomes available ?
So yeahhh no. Suck it up

you one of those poorish beggar who cant even buy a 10k horse
i know people like you
you always will be poor
you always will be behind

@Leon119

No i actually do have enough gold and mats for myself so im entirely self sustained. I just dont find any sympathy for rich people complaining they lost miniscule amounts of money compared to what they have

Jurand80 · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

Craglorn currently has no traders. I own TWO guilds in Craglorn, and neither are existing on traders - the traders cannot be hired as the guild still shows as owning the traders in craglorn... but the traders can't physically be accessed. I believe zenimax currently owe me 9m across the 2 guilds that I bid for personally, I am sure the other Craglorn guilds would love a refund too

karma ^^

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Jurand80 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Craglorn currently has no traders. I own TWO guilds in Craglorn, and neither are existing on traders - the traders cannot be hired as the guild still shows as owning the traders in craglorn... but the traders can't physically be accessed. I believe zenimax currently owe me 9m across the 2 guilds that I bid for personally, I am sure the other Craglorn guilds would love a refund too

karma ^^

heeeeeyyyy....i understand what u say in that case, but i am sure, some other belkarthis didnt deserve this Q_Q

Blobsky · October 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Craglorn currently has no traders. I own TWO guilds in Craglorn, and neither are existing on traders - the traders cannot be hired as the guild still shows as owning the traders in craglorn... but the traders can't physically be accessed. I believe zenimax currently owe me 9m across the 2 guilds that I bid for personally, I am sure the other Craglorn guilds would love a refund too

I'm sure rigging the market has made you enough gold to cover the costs.

i am sure, it didnt work out as plannend*rofl

In fairness the sun set back in v12 alone made me over 20M... first days of gold DSA jewl a lot more... Wax is currently the same price, we see if it stays that way through patch - even if I make a loss, overall the investments have been a profit

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Craglorn currently has no traders. I own TWO guilds in Craglorn, and neither are existing on traders - the traders cannot be hired as the guild still shows as owning the traders in craglorn... but the traders can't physically be accessed. I believe zenimax currently owe me 9m across the 2 guilds that I bid for personally, I am sure the other Craglorn guilds would love a refund too

I'm sure rigging the market has made you enough gold to cover the costs.

i am sure, it didnt work out as plannend*rofl

In fairness the sun set back in v12 alone made me over 20M... first days of gold DSA jewl a lot more... Wax is currently the same price, we see if it stays that way through patch - even if I make a loss, overall the investments have been a profit

gotcha.

Heindrich · October 2016

I've tried to be patient and diplomatic about this, waiting for a fair solution, but this is getting ridiculous!

In compensation for MASSIVE disruption and ~150M losses in guild sales (my guild sold 133M last week before the new update boom) I get given a refund of my bid and a little extra that doesn't even cover my loss in tax income, let alone significant indirect losses from reputational damage and disruption of trading strategy for me and guild members.

Message from Zenimax:
While we cannot return the trader to you, by way of making it up to you, we have refunded the gold to you, the Guild Leader, to invest in next week's traders.

Oh that's useful... you gave gold to me and all my rivals so we all got more gold to waste against each other... that's real useful!

COME ON ZOS!!! I don't want compensation! It makes no difference! I want a fix!

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

I've tried to be patient and diplomatic about this, waiting for a fair solution, but this is getting ridiculous!

In compensation for MASSIVE disruption and ~150M losses in guild sales (my guild sold 133M last week before the new update boom) I get given a refund of my bid and a little extra that doesn't even cover my loss in tax income, let alone significant indirect losses from reputational damage and disruption of trading strategy for me and guild members.

Message from Zenimax:
While we cannot return the trader to you, by way of making it up to you, we have refunded the gold to you, the Guild Leader, to invest in next week's traders.

Oh that's useful... you gave gold to me and all my rivals so we all got more gold to waste against each other... that's real useful!

COME ON ZOS!!! I don't want compensation! It makes no difference! I want a fix!

And if this was the real world, maybe someone would give a damn. I'm sorry that you lost a few virtual coins, but you are really taking this to a level that is asinine. If you are talking seriously about indirect and reputational losses and the disruption of a trading strategy, you are taking this stuff WAY too seriously.

Sometimes you corner the market, and sometimes the market corners you...

Heindrich · October 2016

@Bouldercleave And why do you assume I'm one of the traders that tries to "corner the market"?

I am not asking for compensation, I don't care about it and I don't want it. I want a serious problem caused by ZoS incompetence to be fixed, not papered over in a way that helps nobody. This isn't about my gold balance, it's about the massive disruption it is directly causing hundreds of my guildmembers, and many thousands of players who cannot access one of the best guildstores on the server.

I was totally patient and reasonable yesterday, but 24 hrs later, no response from anybody, I think I deserve better.

Bouldercleave · October 2016

It glitched, they acknowledged it and refunded you the bid plus a bit more (your own words). What more would you have them do? Kick the current traders out so you get the spot you feel that you are entitled to?

Stuff happens, get over it. No one in your guild is going to die because you lost a kiosk for a week, nor are the THOUSANDS of players going to decide never to buy your goods again because there is another trader there this week.

Bid it up and get it next week and move on. You are doing as much damage to your guild's reputation here on the forums with the childish rant as you ever would without a kiosk for a couple of days.

I stand firmly by my statement - you are taking it WAY too seriously. Blame Brexit if need be...

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sometimes you corner the market, and sometimes the market corners you...

Except it's not THE MARKET here, it's ZOS.

If it were the market - fine, you play by the rules, sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. Fair.
If it was an external happening like an earthquake, fine, that's bad luck, unpredictable and uncontrollable is what it is.

But in this case, it's someone putting your shop on fire. That someone is responsible. Namely, ZOS. THey have the power to put everything back the way it was, but instead, they reimburse a week's rent and leave the ashes. Not OK.

By the way, those who pretend that GM of trading guilds take stuff "too seriously", I'm ready to bet that you are NOT one of them, that you DON'T GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT EVERY WEEK to place a bid, that you don't spend hours every day managing your members, your guild's activities and the incentives for your members to sell and donate for the guild trader.
Sure it's only a game, but the personal investment is real.

ZOS, you've screwed up big time this time, and your "solution" is a slap in the face. I hope you realize how much guild masters' and officers' personal involvement matters in terms of keeping the game alive and us logging in everyday. In fact, over time, it matters more than whatever updates you develop, which we "eat up" within days anyway. In the long term, what keeps us here is GUILDIES. Guild masters take care of the infrastructure that keep us together as guildies. ZOS, your attitude in this particular matter is simply not acceptable.

Legedric · October 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

It glitched, they acknowledged it and refunded you the bid plus a bit more (your own words). What more would you have them do? Kick the current traders out so you get the spot you feel that you are entitled to?

Stuff happens, get over it. No one in your guild is going to die because you lost a kiosk for a week, nor are the THOUSANDS of players going to decide never to buy your goods again because there is another trader there this week.

Bid it up and get it next week and move on. You are doing as much damage to your guild's reputation here on the forums with the childish rant as you ever would without a kiosk for a couple of days.

Wow it is crazy how often we have to repeat ourselves...

It is not about compensating the 7 guild leaders but the ~3500 guild members being in these guild and missing out on sales the entire week, leaving the guild and whatnot.

THAT'S what we are talking about and THAT's the reason why people are getting upset in here.
ZOS just cannot tell me it is technically impossible for them to set the traders to the guilds they were originally owned for this week. I don't buy it!

They just don't want to fix this for whatever reason.

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Message from Zenimax:
While we cannot return the trader to you, by way of making it up to you, we have refunded the gold to you, the Guild Leader, to invest in next week's traders.

u know why they dont do it? if they would do it, they would have to admit, that they are able to remove bids from traders. since 2 years people have been trying to solve a problem with the guild window which often leads in accidential bids on wrong traders. since 2 years zos is answering they would not be able to do that. just ***. sure they are.

and they are able to change the traders situation. they just dont want to. why should they fix an own mistake.
shame on zos.

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

It glitched, they acknowledged it and refunded you the bid plus a bit more (your own words). What more would you have them do? Kick the current traders out so you get the spot you feel that you are entitled to?

why should anyone of us care for the gold. did u read anything? why should we - as persona - each gm of the guilds - get gold from zos, for something they did to 500 people each guild.

and yes, why not? we made our bids, we played tactical on monday/tuesday night, we were the people which made their thoughts about bids and how much might be enough and where to bid - and have been successfull that night. this traders in first update-week are legally ours. its nothing to do with gold swhich has been spent, it has something to do with people - not only the gm, as well the active members - giving much of effort into a guild and expecting a reward for this.

ttg had 130m sales before update, aetherius 110m, jt 50m - each of that guilds 500 members doing that sales, able and willing doing even more than that this week and preparing for yes - this *** week. where is the compensation for them?

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

First world problems...

*grabs a bag of popcorn*

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

It glitched, they acknowledged it and refunded you the bid plus a bit more (your own words). What more would you have them do? Kick the current traders out so you get the spot you feel that you are entitled to?

why should anyone of us care for the gold. did u read anything? why should we - as persona - each gm of the guilds - get gold from zos, for something they did to 500 people each guild.

and yes, why not? we made our bids, we played tactical on monday/tuesday night, we were the people which made their thoughts about bids and how much might be enough and where to bid - and have been successfull that night. this traders in first update-week are legally ours. its nothing to do with gold swhich has been spent, it has something to do with people - not only the gm, as well the active members - giving much of effort into a guild and expecting a reward for this.

ttg had 130m sales before update, aetherius 110m, jt 50m - each of that guilds 500 members doing that sales, able and willing doing even more than that this week and preparing for yes - this *** week. where is the compensation for them?

They will all survive. Nothing is LEGALLY yours - get over yourselves.

You SAY that you don't care for the gold, but you keep referring back to how much of it you are potentially losing.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Even the biggest and richest of guilds can survive without a kiosk for a couple of damn days.

Heindrich · October 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Even the biggest and richest of guilds can survive without a kiosk for a couple of damn days.

Yeah our guilds will survive. I will remain filthy rich by any standard, but my guild members will be losing out on the best trading week of this quarter. If I lose 10M, it's not much for me as a proportion of my total wealth. But if one of my members invested 1M of his 2M gold supply in a commodity that crashes after this week, he stands to lose 50% of his total assets.

Not everyone is as self centered as you. Like I said, this isn't about my gold, it's about the community I've spent 15 months building and protecting, and trying to get Zenimax to do what's right, not easy.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

You SAY that you don't care for the gold, but you keep referring back to how much of it you are potentially losing.

dont mix the people up.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Even the biggest and richest of guilds can survive without a kiosk for a couple of damn days.

sure my guilds always survived. also i dont think much member will leave my guild out of this, nor do i think anything of what u tell me i would think.

but it changes nothing about that, that zos *** not only some gm up, but some thousands people. and there seemingly seems to be no awareness from u or zos about that. but i can udnerstand that, trolls in forums als laugh about people when they get banned while they arent guilty and ashame then, trolls just poop on everything, while zos goes on *** up their customers.

that 40gb and the launcher *** also was just "nothing", the pink textures were nothing, the massive client crashes were nothing, the ban waves against nobody was nothing, and the implemented bugs which lead into exploits also were nothing, bots were nothing, dupe and writs were nothing, the massive server offline stuff the last weeks.... its all just nothing and first world problems.

sure its first world problems, since we are arguing about a stupid online game, but still there is a company-customer-realtionship, where the company goes on kicking peoples butts.

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

You SAY that you don't care for the gold, but you keep referring back to how much of it you are potentially losing.

dont mix the people up.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Even the biggest and richest of guilds can survive without a kiosk for a couple of damn days.

sure my guilds always survived. also i dont think much member will leave my guild out of this, nor do i think anything of what u tell me i would think.

but it changes nothing about that, that zos *** not only some gm up, but some thousands people. and there seemingly seems to be no awareness from u or zos about that. but i can udnerstand that, trolls in forums als laugh about people when they get banned while they arent guilty and ashame then, trolls just poop on everything, while zos goes on *** up their customers.

that 40gb and the launcher *** also was just "nothing", the pink textures were nothing, the massive client crashes were nothing, the ban waves against nobody was nothing, and the implemented bugs which lead into exploits also were nothing, bots were nothing, dupe and writs were nothing, the massive server offline stuff the last weeks.... its all just nothing and first world problems.

sure its first world problems, since we are arguing about a stupid online game, but still there is a company-customer-realtionship, where the company goes on kicking peoples butts.

Your incoherent rant makes me care even less about your guild than I did before, if that was even possible.

I'm fully aware of what happened and that it does indeed change the plans for many people that suddenly are without a kiosk for a few days (I've been there, it stinks).

My point is that stuff happens sometimes and to demand compensation and kicking another guild out of what you perceive is YOUR spot because the patch screwed something up is more than you will EVER get. They compensated you MORE than your bid money which is honestly more than I would have expected them to do.

I'm not trolling, I'm trying to talk you down from a ledge that you don't need to be on. This really isn't THAT big of a deal.

Elmour0Fudd · October 2016

ok so i'm a nobody really, hopefully of no interest to the trolls lol
we're all having bad experiences with UD12 some are a hell of a lot worse than having trouble logging in to a specific server going up through can't get to places without refinding the waypoint to the guild store disaster,
everyone that has an issue get it logged and get a ticket,
ZOS will then have an idea of the scale of the problem and at least have a clue of what to fix first,
probably they are not answering quickly to all the problems cause they are too busy fixing them .... but it would be damn nice if we occationally had some form of update.
and yes if there is no response then make other's aware!

You Do all realise ZOS only have 11 days and some hours to get this all sorted before they have the consoles piling in too,
think i'm going to have a few days out of the game then lol

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

This really isn't THAT big of a deal.

we will meet next time, u have a problem with game or in game - i am sure, its also just nothing then.

out of what you perceive is YOUR spot .

sry, but it is, at least for this week. just that simple.

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

This really isn't THAT big of a deal.

we will meet next time, u have a problem with game or in game - i am sure, its also just nothing then.

out of what you perceive is YOUR spot .

sry, but it is, at least for this week. just that simple.

Probably not, because when I have a problem in game, I have the ability to sack up and move on. There are many things that happen in game that annoy me - but it's JUST a game.

And is it really just that simple? You have no Kiosk, you got your money back from the bid plus more, and someone else is there selling stuff. Doesn't look like your spot to me at all - It's just THAT simple. It seems like they have done all that they are going to do for you and your guild.

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Probably not, because when I have a problem in game, I have the ability to sack up and move on.

since i'd guess, that zos as company naturally should have interest in his customers and that they will stay with the product [bling bling], u made clear, that zos should avoid bigger problems or at least help for real solutions.

thanks

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sometimes you corner the market, and sometimes the market corners you...

Except it's not THE MARKET here, it's ZOS.

If it were the market - fine, you play by the rules, sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. Fair.
If it was an external happening like an earthquake, fine, that's bad luck, unpredictable and uncontrollable is what it is.

But in this case, it's someone putting your shop on fire. That someone is responsible. Namely, ZOS. THey have the power to put everything back the way it was, but instead, they reimburse a week's rent and leave the ashes. Not OK.

By the way, those who pretend that GM of trading guilds take stuff "too seriously", I'm ready to bet that you are NOT one of them, that you DON'T GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT EVERY WEEK to place a bid, that you don't spend hours every day managing your members, your guild's activities and the incentives for your members to sell and donate for the guild trader.
Sure it's only a game, but the personal investment is real.

ZOS, you've screwed up big time this time, and your "solution" is a slap in the face. I hope you realize how much guild masters' and officers' personal involvement matters in terms of keeping the game alive and us logging in everyday. In fact, over time, it matters more than whatever updates you develop, which we "eat up" within days anyway. In the long term, what keeps us here is GUILDIES. Guild masters take care of the infrastructure that keep us together as guildies. ZOS, your attitude in this particular matter is simply not acceptable.

1,000 Huzzahs! Agree completely! And for our small guild, this was to be the best week we could dream of since our inception!! Not just Big Guilds lost. I worked hard to get our mid size, not rich at all guild in Craglorn, was the pinnacle of the year for our guildies. Now it heartbreaking. Not always about the money, virtual or not..

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

@Bouldercleave for me you just a blatant troll
pls move on from this topic
no food here

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

@Bouldercleave for me you just a blatant troll
pls move on from this topic
no food here

Not sure I give a crap what you think. This was posted on a public forum to which I expressed my opinion. I'm not a troll simply because I disagree with you. These are forums for debate, which means others may not have the same opinions as you.

If you want nothing but likes, post on Facebook.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2016

Ok. 1 week update. To get back on OP subject, i.e. Zos screwing us out of our trader and compensating with peanuts.
As said, we are a small-mid size guild. A trader in Crag on week of UD12 was our shining achievement.
We got 200k as a "we are sorry". The sales this week our guildies lost was over 5+million. Actual sales this week, less than 200k. Way less. So again, Thank you Zos for breaking the hearts of our struggling , not so rich guildies. This is just speaking as a GM, as a player, I had 2 guilds that got the "shaft".

Bouldercleave wrote: »
It glitched, they acknowledged it and refunded you the bid plus a bit more (your own words). What more would you have them do? Kick the current traders out so you get the spot you feel that you are entitled to?

First, we dont FEEL entitled, It was OURS, we won it fair and square. Not entitlement, fact. Yes! They should have sent those 7 guilds a letter like they sent me saying they goofed and here is your 10k back, and sorry but those spots were won and belong to someone else.
And to add more hurt to the nether regions, they ACTUALY listened to us and are changing the bidding times! Hurray!!
So Zos, that makes it even more disappointing that you couldn't listen and do more about this.
To repeat, WE DON'T WANT COMPENSATION, we wanted what was to be the best sales week for our guild all year.,
Oh well, back to trying to bid on little small town kiosks again. Our chance at a glorious spot is lost.
Again, thanks for the loss of what could been best sales week all year. This is the best update since launch IMO, so makes me sadder.
NOTE: To those who still thing trade guilds are "Pricing Mafia" and think guilds control the market prices, please go join the TL_Gamer thread, because it is not how it works.
Thank You!