Low population bonus bug in Trueflame

Manoekin · October 2016

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Let's just ignore the people telling you how it works

This game man

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EIGHTS wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

I highly doubt AD have found a way to 'scam the system' lmao

AD always has benefit of BUGS since beta.
What a coincidence!

It took about a year before ZOS realized oil pots cost less AP on EP than the other factions. The only actual case of faction favoritism in the game's history.

Well, given the fact in previous posts we have stated that the bonus is being applied after faction is pop locked for several consecutive hours- you also insinuated you know exactly how the low pop bonus worked.....Since ZOS has never one time revealed what timeframe a faction has to be at low to gain the bonus or how long it lasts to my knowlege, maybe you could fill in the blank there?

It would definitely be helpful, as right now what is being reported is clearly not a faction being at low pop for ANY amount of time to gain the bonus- and it is happening repeatedly.

See,

DODHitman wrote: »

Not sure if this will shed some light on this subject/mechanics, but here is a post from Dec. 2014
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294087/low-population-bonus-bug-in-trueflame/p2

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »
Thank you for staying patient, all. We have looked into the population bonus and everything seems to be working as designed. To give you a bit more insight into the mechanic, the population bonus is applied and dissolved over time and not immediately. Because of the gradual application, there isn't really a way for players to log in and out to raise or lower the bonus in a consistent way.

We can say after looking at the campaigns from the back end that the battles are often pretty close! That said, we will continue monitoring the campaigns to see if the population bonus needs to be tweaked.

As you can see, this subject has been brought up time and time again......and as always, here we go....."its working as intended". Please Zos, can you once again look into this dam low pop bonus crap and make sure this isnt a "BUG". As others have stated, we dont need all of AD looked at as some kind of LP cheaters.

There's at least one or two other posts out there about the subject. As stated before your post and after, the low pop bonus has absolutely nothing to do with what the pop looks like when it gets applied. I don't have a whole lot of faith in ZOS, but generally something working as intended yesterday is also working as intended today. Calling for them to look for bugs in it is really fruitless and just screams whining. Especially for a system that applies universally. There's literally no way AD can benefit from it in a way that EP/DC can't as well. The difference is that AD met the requirements to be considered for the bonus. This is a holistic approach to the issue, not just crying about how AD is locked during primetime and I only play during primetime so that's all that matters.

So, you don't know how it works at all. You insinuated you did, but in fact do not. Interesting.
You say "I don't have a whole lot of faith in ZOS, but generally something working as intended yesterday is also working as intended today. Calling for them to look for bugs in it is really fruitless and just screams whining. Especially for a system that applies universally". Of note here is that only AD are getting this low pop bonus while at pop lock. You are dismissive with yet another post and again insinuate that its all fine and working as intended missing key points that were already covered.

So to cover this completely, you don't know how it works, we should not report it, and just know that the unknowing scoring designed to give low pop factions help is somehow giving the bonus to fully manned factions- but only one of them- for only a few hours- when at pop lock for several hours before then- reporting this or saying something is not necessary as according to you, its something all factions can utilize and benefit from- but they are not.

Well, guess the rest of us should just ltp and gitgud- but I would like to thank you for another chance to bump the thread up.

Wow you're dense. I know as much about it as the dev's have let players know. It's already been explained in this very thread, and there has even been a link to one of the dev responses in a previous thread. If you lack the intellect to put two and two together or use a simple search to find out whether or not this question has been answered by a dev before... then this is obviously just a troll and bait post/thread.

Facts:

AD is not the only faction that benefits from it. There is literally screenshots now of it having affected other factions. Boohoo conspiracy.
A faction being poplocked at the time the bonus occurs has literally nothing to do with the bonus applying.
The bonus applies based on population data taken over a period of time, not just a single morning.

Maybe Facts?:

The period of time, from my recollection, has been extended to cover a greater time frame as it was deemed to be happening too regularly/reactively. This does not mean it wasn't working as intended, but that they decided to make it take in a wider range of data so that it pops up less frequently.

Minno · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

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God_flakes · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Minno · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Celas_Dranacea · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

See, conspiracy theory confirmed - DC wants to enslave my Khajiti friends.

This is why I work hard every day to manipulate the low pop bonus using special rainbow cellular signals that I bounce off a Russian satellite into an implant I placed in Brian Wheeler's neocortex last Wednesday.

NACtron · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Behold AD accusing DC of deliberately manipulating low pop bonus:

Incidentally this is @Telel claiming this. His name got cut off for some reason.

So AD is innocent of exactly and precisely what they accused DC of doing in Haderus? Puh-lease!!!

Even Nactron donned his tin foil hat:

You might want to re-read what I wrote and the context of the conversation but let me clarify.

I was stating the fact that DC beat AD for second place a couple Haddy campaigns in a row due to the low pop bonus.

I was not insinuating that DC was deliberately organizing their faction to exploit the low pop bonus.

God_flakes · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Yowzer she's hot! Ok so I guess he was complimenting me.

God_flakes · October 2016

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Behold AD accusing DC of deliberately manipulating low pop bonus:

Incidentally this is @Telel claiming this. His name got cut off for some reason.

So AD is innocent of exactly and precisely what they accused DC of doing in Haderus? Puh-lease!!!

Even Nactron donned his tin foil hat:

You might want to re-read what I wrote and the context of the conversation but let me clarify.

I was stating the fact that DC beat AD for second place a couple Haddy campaigns in a row due to the low pop bonus.

I was not insinuating that DC was deliberately organizing their faction to exploit the low pop bonus.

Mmmmk. Whatever you say, Nactron.

Minno · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

See, conspiracy theory confirmed - DC wants to enslave my Khajiti friends.

This is why I work hard every day to manipulate the low pop bonus using special rainbow cellular signals that I bounce off a Russian satellite into an implant I placed in Brian Wheeler's neocortex last Wednesday.

Celas_Dranacea · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Yowzer she's hot! Ok so I guess he was complimenting me.

I was just joking about finger pointing and conspiracy theories - I rarely if ever mean to insult anybody.

Battlestar Gallactica has been on my mind ever since @heystreethawk quoted Captain Adama very poignantly one morning, after a very challenging fight for the map the night before.

Bottom line is still that it would be very helpful and reassuring to everyone if a Dev stepped in to explain what has been going on.

Btw did the low population bonus appear again on Sunday or Monday?

ataggs · October 2016

Jauriel is back! Hey girl, haven't heard from you in a while, what happened?

God_flakes · October 2016

ataggs wrote: »

Jauriel is back! Hey girl, haven't heard from you in a while, what happened?

Took an extended trip out west to visit the Grand Canyon and The Garden of the Gods to connect with Mother Earth.

heystreethawk · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

heystreethawk wrote: »

I love and cherish AD and usually think about the Queen right before I fall asleep, but there is no way that we are coordinated enough to make sure that a sufficient amount of us are not whatsoever in Cyrodiil for however many hours at a time. It is difficult enough to figure out if anyone plans on defending Black Boot.

(Kudos to Skeever for finding that quote!)

I really hate to be the one to bring this up AGAIN ....but you all were blaming DC for using a low pop bonus to beat you on Haderus.

Never chimed in on that, and I'm not sure why you're talking to me. Outside of a few nights when a huge amount of DC materialized out of nowhere, they were a non-entity on Haderus, and as a result, I'd fully expect them to receive the low-pop bonus; whether or not they deliberately gunned for that bonus is a moot point, because the scores on that campaign were too wack for anyone to actually care about.

EP was the primary boogeyman on Haderus, and not because of PM. There was a very strange contingent of EP who would flip the entire map during the day (re-crowning an emp generally reviled across factions and widely suspected of account sharing since his days on AD), and then AD/DC would take their stuff back at night before moving east. Nikolai would usually warm his crew up on TF until the Had map approached homeostasis. A massive blue stampede suddenly appeared on a few different nights, coinciding with the low pop bonus, and then they left. Other than that, the extent of DC involvement in the campaign was Pale Orc's group occasionally making a play at Roebeck.

If anyone cared enough about the DC low-pop thing to be upset about it, I never heard from them. Telel pointing out that it happened does not amount to a faction taking up arms against DC on a campaign that was only ever winnable for red.

Don't make me drag up the thread, it was something about @ataggs asking AD to return and help on TF. Remember? And now you guys are winning via a "bugged" low pop bonus and it's "ad are innocent angels who would never do such thing!" And "we are too uncoordinated to pull off such a complicated maneuver!"

<eyeroll>

No faction is coordinated enough, at this point in time, to game the population metrics on a 30 day campaign that is poplocked for everyone during primetime. It's conceivable to pull it off on Haderus, a 7 day campaign that almost never has a queue, and in which the population discrepancies are much more visible to the naked eye. However, no one else cares about whether or not DC did it on Haderus. People mentioned it, and then they moved on to more relevant things.

heystreethawk · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Yowzer she's hot! Ok so I guess he was complimenting me.

I was just joking about finger pointing and conspiracy theories - I rarely if ever mean to insult anybody.

Battlestar Gallactica has been on my mind ever since @heystreethawk quoted Captain Adama very poignantly one morning, after a very challenging fight for the map the night before.

Bottom line is still that it would be very helpful and reassuring to everyone if a Dev stepped in to explain what has been going on.

Btw did the low population bonus appear again on Sunday or Monday?

"Sometimes you have to roll the hard six." --Grand Overlord Adama

ataggs · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Jauriel is back! Hey girl, haven't heard from you in a while, what happened?

Took an extended trip out west to visit the Grand Canyon and The Garden of the Gods to connect with Mother Earth.

I haven't been there, I bet it was beautiful. Glad to have you and your spicey self back!

Minno · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Yowzer she's hot! Ok so I guess he was complimenting me.

I was just joking about finger pointing and conspiracy theories - I rarely if ever mean to insult anybody.

Battlestar Gallactica has been on my mind ever since @heystreethawk quoted Captain Adama very poignantly one morning, after a very challenging fight for the map the night before.

Bottom line is still that it would be very helpful and reassuring to everyone if a Dev stepped in to explain what has been going on.

Btw did the low population bonus appear again on Sunday or Monday?

I'm pissed Netflix removed it from streaming

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God_flakes · October 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

What about article 2 section 3 paragraph 4 of that one forum post from 2014 that proves you are a Cylon? What about that?

Cylons are still superior to elves, pet cats, and bone farmers.

I had to google what this try hard was even talking about. A superior reptilian race who created robots? Is this supposed to be a humorous insult? I'm seriously wondering lol

Edit: cylons are sexy robots that either look human or look robotic. Both versions are sexy. Humans look down on cylons in a "racist" view.

Yowzer she's hot! Ok so I guess he was complimenting me.

I was just joking about finger pointing and conspiracy theories - I rarely if ever mean to insult anybody.

Battlestar Gallactica has been on my mind ever since @heystreethawk quoted Captain Adama very poignantly one morning, after a very challenging fight for the map the night before.

Bottom line is still that it would be very helpful and reassuring to everyone if a Dev stepped in to explain what has been going on.

Btw did the low population bonus appear again on Sunday or Monday?

Tbh I don't watch the score/tally. I rely on Saramis to message me and fill me in on that stuff. I was too distracted Sunday to pay attention-first day back/lots of welcome backs and private tells.

Soul_Demon · October 2016

"Wow you're dense."

Lets stop beating around the bush then...you insinuated you knew how it worked and got called on it.....then you changed strategy and go to the "has even been a link to one of the dev responses in a previous thread" and I assume its the same one you personally quoted previously from "DODHitman" Here is the funny part, he was being facetious and the link in that IS TO THIS THREAD WE ARE IN NOW.

I recommend you stop trying to insult people buy suggesting you are in any position to either know something about what is being reported or insinuate that you understand the process when clearly you backpedal when called on it and are linking up things telling us they speak to one thing when its just a link to the thread we are currently speaking in. You did follow the quote you posted with the "link" right?

So, maybe you are the one who is dense- either that or you can backpedal again not understanding and try to toss a few insults out there again. Believe me, making a rude, condescending idiot stand out is not much of a challenge. But, feel free to continue.....but maybe actually read the thread and links that you quote first- that is always helpful.

God_flakes · October 2016

heystreethawk wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

heystreethawk wrote: »

I love and cherish AD and usually think about the Queen right before I fall asleep, but there is no way that we are coordinated enough to make sure that a sufficient amount of us are not whatsoever in Cyrodiil for however many hours at a time. It is difficult enough to figure out if anyone plans on defending Black Boot.

(Kudos to Skeever for finding that quote!)

I really hate to be the one to bring this up AGAIN ....but you all were blaming DC for using a low pop bonus to beat you on Haderus.

Never chimed in on that, and I'm not sure why you're talking to me. Outside of a few nights when a huge amount of DC materialized out of nowhere, they were a non-entity on Haderus, and as a result, I'd fully expect them to receive the low-pop bonus; whether or not they deliberately gunned for that bonus is a moot point, because the scores on that campaign were too wack for anyone to actually care about.

EP was the primary boogeyman on Haderus, and not because of PM. There was a very strange contingent of EP who would flip the entire map during the day (re-crowning an emp generally reviled across factions and widely suspected of account sharing since his days on AD), and then AD/DC would take their stuff back at night before moving east. Nikolai would usually warm his crew up on TF until the Had map approached homeostasis. A massive blue stampede suddenly appeared on a few different nights, coinciding with the low pop bonus, and then they left. Other than that, the extent of DC involvement in the campaign was Pale Orc's group occasionally making a play at Roebeck.

If anyone cared enough about the DC low-pop thing to be upset about it, I never heard from them. Telel pointing out that it happened does not amount to a faction taking up arms against DC on a campaign that was only ever winnable for red.

Don't make me drag up the thread, it was something about @ataggs asking AD to return and help on TF. Remember? And now you guys are winning via a "bugged" low pop bonus and it's "ad are innocent angels who would never do such thing!" And "we are too uncoordinated to pull off such a complicated maneuver!"

<eyeroll>

No faction is coordinated enough, at this point in time, to game the population metrics on a 30 day campaign that is poplocked for everyone during primetime. It's conceivable to pull it off on Haderus, a 7 day campaign that almost never has a queue, and in which the population discrepancies are much more visible to the naked eye. However, no one else cares about whether or not DC did it on Haderus. People mentioned it, and then they moved on to more relevant things.

It doesn't take 30 days to change a score. That can happen in an hour, even in a 30 day campaign. I don't doubt for one second it is possible for large groups of players to manipulate the low pop bonus. Telel may or may not have been right about DC doing it on Haderus. I don't really care. My only point is-unless and until it is proven to be impossible, especially with this ridiculous game and it's ridiculous amount of exploits and bugs and glitches, it shouldn't be knee jerk shot down and dismissed simply because AD is being somewhat accused of it.

God_flakes · October 2016

ataggs wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Jauriel is back! Hey girl, haven't heard from you in a while, what happened?

Took an extended trip out west to visit the Grand Canyon and The Garden of the Gods to connect with Mother Earth.

I haven't been there, I bet it was beautiful. Glad to have you and your spicey self back!

Garden of the Gods was magical-10/10 would go back and horseback ride through like the cowboys and Indians did.

Thanks for the wb.

Minnesinger · October 2016

Maybe they are the same invivible players that are zerging and lagging the server. You know there is no point thinking rationally if you start the witch hunt. Blaming other players for the bugs/ glitches they have no say is the most irrational thing ever in my experience.

God_flakes · October 2016

Minnesinger wrote: »

Maybe they are the same invivible players that are zerging and lagging the server. You know there is no point thinking rationally if you start the witch hunt. Blaming other players for the bugs/ glitches they have no say is the most irrational thing ever in my experience.

Are you actually asserting no player in the history of this game has figured out a bug or glitch and exploited it?

Just today video evidence of an exploit was posted. A few months ago a massive cheat program was exposed that was being used by countless players.

I'm not saying low pop bonus is being exploited. I'm saying it's possible if history is the best evidence of potential abuses of game mechanics. And this is all the more reason to demand the devs at least answer us on what is going on right now.

God_flakes · October 2016

Minnesinger wrote: »

Maybe they are the same invivible players that are zerging and lagging the server. You know there is no point thinking rationally if you start the witch hunt. Blaming other players for the bugs/ glitches they have no say is the most irrational thing ever in my experience.

Are you actually asserting no player in the history of this game has figured out a bug or glitch and exploited it?

Just today video evidence of an exploit was posted. A few months ago a massive cheat program was exposed that was being used by countless players.

I'm not saying low pop bonus is being exploited. I'm saying it's possible if history is the best evidence of potential abuses of game mechanics. And this is all the more reason to demand the devs at least answer us on what is going on right now.

God_flakes · October 2016

Double post

Minnesinger · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Maybe they are the same invivible players that are zerging and lagging the server. You know there is no point thinking rationally if you start the witch hunt. Blaming other players for the bugs/ glitches they have no say is the most irrational thing ever in my experience.

Are you actually asserting no player in the history of this game has figured out a bug or glitch and exploited it?

Just today video evidence of an exploit was posted. A few months ago a massive cheat program was exposed that was being used by countless players.

I'm not saying low pop bonus is being exploited. I'm saying it's possible if history is the best evidence of potential abuses of game mechanics. And this is all the more reason to demand the devs at least answer us on what is going on right now.

Yea good point. But in these cses people showed videos of ulti hacking and some stupid stuff that got them banned. There is not even hard evidence that AD doesn´t deserve the pop bonus but all we have is a couple of random screenshots that even ZENI hasn´t bothered to comment. For me that isn´t enough to consider this as an exploit or some other crap we read here. Maybe in the end of the month AD has won the campaign by sheer dominance or lost it but it is hardly thanks to some random bonus.

Manoekin · October 2016

Soul_Demon wrote: »

"Wow you're dense."

Lets stop beating around the bush then...you insinuated you knew how it worked and got called on it.....then you changed strategy and go to the "has even been a link to one of the dev responses in a previous thread" and I assume its the same one you personally quoted previously from "DODHitman" Here is the funny part, he was being facetious and the link in that IS TO THIS THREAD WE ARE IN NOW.

I recommend you stop trying to insult people buy suggesting you are in any position to either know something about what is being reported or insinuate that you understand the process when clearly you backpedal when called on it and are linking up things telling us they speak to one thing when its just a link to the thread we are currently speaking in. You did follow the quote you posted with the "link" right?

So, maybe you are the one who is dense- either that or you can backpedal again not understanding and try to toss a few insults out there again. Believe me, making a rude, condescending idiot stand out is not much of a challenge. But, feel free to continue.....but maybe actually read the thread and links that you quote first- that is always helpful.

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Let's just ignore the people telling you how it works

This game man

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EIGHTS wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

I highly doubt AD have found a way to 'scam the system' lmao

AD always has benefit of BUGS since beta.
What a coincidence!

It took about a year before ZOS realized oil pots cost less AP on EP than the other factions. The only actual case of faction favoritism in the game's history.

Well, given the fact in previous posts we have stated that the bonus is being applied after faction is pop locked for several consecutive hours- you also insinuated you know exactly how the low pop bonus worked.....Since ZOS has never one time revealed what timeframe a faction has to be at low to gain the bonus or how long it lasts to my knowlege, maybe you could fill in the blank there?

It would definitely be helpful, as right now what is being reported is clearly not a faction being at low pop for ANY amount of time to gain the bonus- and it is happening repeatedly.

See,

DODHitman wrote: »

Not sure if this will shed some light on this subject/mechanics, but here is a post from Dec. 2014
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294087/low-population-bonus-bug-in-trueflame/p2

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »
Thank you for staying patient, all. We have looked into the population bonus and everything seems to be working as designed. To give you a bit more insight into the mechanic, the population bonus is applied and dissolved over time and not immediately. Because of the gradual application, there isn't really a way for players to log in and out to raise or lower the bonus in a consistent way.

We can say after looking at the campaigns from the back end that the battles are often pretty close! That said, we will continue monitoring the campaigns to see if the population bonus needs to be tweaked.

As you can see, this subject has been brought up time and time again......and as always, here we go....."its working as intended". Please Zos, can you once again look into this dam low pop bonus crap and make sure this isnt a "BUG". As others have stated, we dont need all of AD looked at as some kind of LP cheaters.

There's at least one or two other posts out there about the subject. As stated before your post and after, the low pop bonus has absolutely nothing to do with what the pop looks like when it gets applied. I don't have a whole lot of faith in ZOS, but generally something working as intended yesterday is also working as intended today. Calling for them to look for bugs in it is really fruitless and just screams whining. Especially for a system that applies universally. There's literally no way AD can benefit from it in a way that EP/DC can't as well. The difference is that AD met the requirements to be considered for the bonus. This is a holistic approach to the issue, not just crying about how AD is locked during primetime and I only play during primetime so that's all that matters.

So, you don't know how it works at all. You insinuated you did, but in fact do not. Interesting.
You say "I don't have a whole lot of faith in ZOS, but generally something working as intended yesterday is also working as intended today. Calling for them to look for bugs in it is really fruitless and just screams whining. Especially for a system that applies universally". Of note here is that only AD are getting this low pop bonus while at pop lock. You are dismissive with yet another post and again insinuate that its all fine and working as intended missing key points that were already covered.

So to cover this completely, you don't know how it works, we should not report it, and just know that the unknowing scoring designed to give low pop factions help is somehow giving the bonus to fully manned factions- but only one of them- for only a few hours- when at pop lock for several hours before then- reporting this or saying something is not necessary as according to you, its something all factions can utilize and benefit from- but they are not.

Well, guess the rest of us should just ltp and gitgud- but I would like to thank you for another chance to bump the thread up.

Wow you're dense. I know as much about it as the dev's have let players know. It's already been explained in this very thread, and there has even been a link to one of the dev responses in a previous thread. If you lack the intellect to put two and two together or use a simple search to find out whether or not this question has been answered by a dev before... then this is obviously just a troll and bait post/thread.

Facts:

AD is not the only faction that benefits from it. There is literally screenshots now of it having affected other factions. Boohoo conspiracy.
A faction being poplocked at the time the bonus occurs has literally nothing to do with the bonus applying.
The bonus applies based on population data taken over a period of time, not just a single morning.

Maybe Facts?:

The period of time, from my recollection, has been extended to cover a greater time frame as it was deemed to be happening too regularly/reactively. This does not mean it wasn't working as intended, but that they decided to make it take in a wider range of data so that it pops up less frequently.

Here I reposted it for you to read again.

Learn to use a search button you mongoloid. It's not my fault that person didn't copy paste the correct link. Wow, 5 seconds later: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1386053/#Comment_1386053

Call me an *** or whatever you want, but at least I'm not over here spewing nonsense because I simply refuse to do any research whatsoever on the topic I'm trying to engage in. Here's a tip, sometimes other players, especially those who have been a part of the competitive PvP scene for 2 years, know more than you.

Leaving this here for any mods. Clearly I was baited into any sort of name calling I may get reported for. Normal people would just click the button that takes them to the information they need/want.

Soul_Demon · October 2016

"Learn to use a search button you mongoloid. It's not my fault that person didn't copy paste the correct link. Wow, 5 seconds later: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1386053/#Comment_1386053"

Yes, it is. Because you said a poster linked a previous thread where devs posted. You were wrong, you did not read the link you quoted and then followed it up with insulting someone's intelligence when you failed to verify what the post was even about or linked to. Before that you did not even bother to fully read the thread you were commenting in. You are now embarrassed and looking foolish for being so rude. This post is called 'backpedaling' and I somehow knew you would do it again.

Here is another news flash, on the icons you can see join dates- so the over two years thing is another attempt to deflect and change the conversation to not face the uncomfortable facts that you started insinuating you knew more about the scoring and only show you lack even a basic understanding of how to have a conversation with a stranger. For the record, I joined the site before you did- we all know what and where you were going with the "those who have been a part of the competitive PvP scene for 2 years, know more than you" comment.

You maybe should back up from trying to insult people, it is only making things worse for you.