Nightblade nerf.

wildbear247 · September 2016

Speaking as someone who mostly enjoys PvP as their end-game playground, I don't think any further nerfs should be implemented by ZOS unless they can isolate the changes to one side (PvE or PvP). This has already been done for at least one skill...the Nightblade's Ambush. In PvE it stuns monsters, but in PvP it just briefly immobilizes players.

I don't think it's right for one style of player to get classes/abilities nerfed which can greatly impact another style of player. This applies to both PvE and PvP players. Due to the competitive nature of PvP, too often we PvP'rs are the ones calling for nerfs without considering how it might limit our PvE siblings.

With that said, I'm not overly passionate about nerfing any class or ability. Would prefer the following:
1) For ZOS continue to make efforts to prevent cheating, like the use of Cheat Engine and this addon data mining exploit I've been hearing about lately.
2) For ZOS to continue reducing lag in Cyrodiil. I've seen a huge improvement in lag compared to when I took a break from ESO right after the TG DLC dropped (slide show battles were all too common back then). So I hope ZOS keeps up the good work and continues their efforts to reduce lag

thankyourat · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class

2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.

3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.

4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.

The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.

There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class

...? What? MagNB's only defense is Dampen Magicka, and Fear? And if a MagSorc loses to a MagNB, it's all about them being more skilled? What? WTF? I'm just going to listen to @Pinja and ease off MagNB's case. Thanks for the chuckle though. I appreciate it. Lol.

MagSorcs naturally hit harder than magblade. Magblade may have some things to help sustain such as siphoning attacks which I'm using now instead of cloak. But other than fear there are no reliable defensive abilities. Cloak is trash and is easily countered it's really only good for getting around zergs, and shadow image fails 50% of the time. I suggest you actually play a magblade because I don't think you play one. Because magsorc outclasses magblade at everything at the moment except group utility, but if you like to play solo like I do a magblade is just a weaker version of magsorc. The only reason I don't play my magsorc more is because it's just so boring. It's effective but it's just too simple for me. Not to mention how buggy the destro staff is which hurts magblade even more than magsorc (it still sucks for magsorc) because I need those attacks to activate my spectral bow. The problem is magblade is set up for constant dps so any bursty class will be better than magblade for PvP. PvE is a different story my magblade wrecks in Maelstrom

Isellskooma · September 2016

Ok I probably should've been more clear but like I said I've played NB for pretty much 9 months. Tried pretty much everything on my Nightblade and see a Nightblades down and ups and I have to a Nightblade. In my opinion Nightblade shouldn't have so much damage with very good sustain have you seen the stats you can get with a Nb? Always high damage and very good regen. Like just take a look at the passives and compare them with other classes passives. You got passives in there that all other classes have to have an ability on there bar to have. And I forgot to put the S at the end of 1vX And in couple hours that I played 2h/bow I probably got 10 1vXs with all more than 4+ people and you yea there might be 1 or 2 noobs with not that much cp but most of the people I fight have 531 since it's so easy to get but.... there not good. Like SypherPK I believe said "You can't 1vX good players" and it's true you really can't. I know what I'm about to say is good to trigger Nightblades but i feel the only Nightblades that defend there easy mode class is people that don't know how to play nb without these stupid op abilitys

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.

You "1vx'ed" some scrubs and all the sudden you think the class needs a nerf? Stamblades are made for pure dmg mostly.

For all we know the players you killed may have been low level, low cp, low skill, not wearing impen, no shields up, who knows what class/build....

Please before you post have some common sense, people like you are the reason classes get nerfed for no reason.

Unsent.Soul · September 2016

Isellskooma wrote: »

Ok I probably should've been more clear but like I said I've played NB for pretty much 9 months. Tried pretty much everything on my Nightblade and see a Nightblades down and ups and I have to a Nightblade. In my opinion Nightblade shouldn't have so much damage with very good sustain have you seen the stats you can get with a Nb? Always high damage and very good regen. Like just take a look at the passives and compare them with other classes passives. You got passives in there that all other classes have to have an ability on there bar to have. And I forgot to put the S at the end of 1vX And in couple hours that I played 2h/bow I probably got 10 1vXs with all more than 4+ people and you yea there might be 1 or 2 noobs with not that much cp but most of the people I fight have 531 since it's so easy to get but.... there not good. Like SypherPK I believe said "You can't 1vX good players" and it's true you really can't. I know what I'm about to say is good to trigger Nightblades but i feel the only Nightblades that defend there easy mode class is people that don't know how to play nb without these stupid op abilitys

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.

You "1vx'ed" some scrubs and all the sudden you think the class needs a nerf? Stamblades are made for pure dmg mostly.

For all we know the players you killed may have been low level, low cp, low skill, not wearing impen, no shields up, who knows what class/build....

Please before you post have some common sense, people like you are the reason classes get nerfed for no reason.

I wish you actually had data, proof, videos of these NB'S being OP. Basically, ZOS should nerf them off of your own personal experience within 9 months...

OOJIMMY · September 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

OOJIMMY wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

That's the thing, I don't have any issues with the ult it's self but how easy it is getting it back so fast.
And I fail to see how this would drastically change stamblades.

Have you spent much time playing one?

It makes much more sense when you are on the NB side trying it for yourself. Not talking dueling here because I have no interest in dueling type 1v1, so:
We trade away a lot of things that other classes get to take advantage of, for our ability to attempt to GTFO. Being on the receiving end of it sucks, but it's not as easy as it looks.

Many NB play in bursts. Get in quick, do as much damage as you can ASAP and get out before you get squished. By and large, in the PVP environment we are trading longevity for damage. If we screw up, or if we get outplayed and can't escape, it's over. Now we're running back from spawn.

Incap is quick to charge because it can be dodged and it's only good on one target. That's the trade off.

I'm actually in the process of grinding out both stamblade and a magblade. I actually have more fun on the mag so that taking priority.
I've had people dodge my Dragon leap and that's still double the ult cost.
Ok if increasing the cost is do world breaking lower the ult gain from portions.

thankyourat · September 2016

Isellskooma wrote: »

Ok I probably should've been more clear but like I said I've played NB for pretty much 9 months. Tried pretty much everything on my Nightblade and see a Nightblades down and ups and I have to a Nightblade. In my opinion Nightblade shouldn't have so much damage with very good sustain have you seen the stats you can get with a Nb? Always high damage and very good regen. Like just take a look at the passives and compare them with other classes passives. You got passives in there that all other classes have to have an ability on there bar to have. And I forgot to put the S at the end of 1vX And in couple hours that I played 2h/bow I probably got 10 1vXs with all more than 4+ people and you yea there might be 1 or 2 noobs with not that much cp but most of the people I fight have 531 since it's so easy to get but.... there not good. Like SypherPK I believe said "You can't 1vX good players" and it's true you really can't. I know what I'm about to say is good to trigger Nightblades but i feel the only Nightblades that defend there easy mode class is people that don't know how to play nb without these stupid op abilitys

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

I mainly run snb on my Nightblade and I main nb but I just started using 2h/bow for the first time on my character that's 9 months old and I never get hit hard at all I don't know how you play but I run 0 into hardy and the avg Suprise attacks I get hit by is like 6k dmg which is normal and nbs do need a nerf. I was doing some 1vX on my 2h/bow and it didn't even feel good cause I put no effort into it just heavy attack incap dead, heavy attack incap dead. Literally no effort at all. And it's not just incap most of the passives are very strong making it the easy class.

You "1vx'ed" some scrubs and all the sudden you think the class needs a nerf? Stamblades are made for pure dmg mostly.

For all we know the players you killed may have been low level, low cp, low skill, not wearing impen, no shields up, who knows what class/build....

Please before you post have some common sense, people like you are the reason classes get nerfed for no reason.

I defend nightblades because of how good the other classes are honestly. are stam nightblades too good? Yea they are, but so is every other stam class. When I started dueling though I realized that they are the weakest of the stam classes. They have crazy good passives better than any other class but none of the passives are op. one op passive like battle roar or major mending will out shine a nb's passives no matter how good they are. Same with op abilities I would rather fight a nightblade with incap/soul harvest over a purifying ritual Templar any day. What I won't defend with stamblades is how toxic they can be one shotting newer or not so good players from stealth Which hurts the game. It keeps players from wanting to come to PvP. Everyone isn't going to have alot of time to get the best builds or be the best players, and those are the players that stamblade are too effective against. While I don't have a problem with stamblades I understand how much of a problem they can be to some players because I have one, and sometimes it feels like it's so easy to kill players that it's cheating. it's literally ambush, incap, surprise attack and some players are dead especially if they aren't wearing impen. With that being said I don't want to see them nerfed either because it's almost impossible to beat a stam dk or a stamplar if they are equally as talented as you because there is no room to make mistakes as a nightblade against good players. where as a dk the classes naturally survivability will keep them alive sometimes if they make a mistake

Pangnirtung · September 2016

Nerf NBs this month.

Nerf DK next month.

Nerf Sorc the following month.

As someone who has played since beta this is so funny as to be sad.

The game will NEVER be balanced. Adjust and hang on for the ride. Things are sure to change next month again.

Remember that PVP is NOT the only aspect of this game.

PurifedBladez · September 2016

I don't think nightblades need a nerf.

Honestly all this talk about incap strike being op is just stupid. The ability is fine. IF I get hit by it most of the time I'm able to shake it off and I've seen my incap strike not get the job done when dbos would have. Dbos can turn the tides in just about any situation where as incap will only be cool when it's splurged all over a noobs face. Lol.

Magicka as a whole needs a buff, what that looks like? I don't know but, I know it has to be minimal or 3 months from now these threads will just be saying "nerf mag sorcs."

The gap between the two is not as wide as you would all like to think it is.

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

Lol stamblades are OP eh? You mean in PvP where the most powerful players are heavy armored magicka Templars, and stam DKs? Or did you mean PvE where the top DPS is held by Stam DKs and stam Sorcs; and the top healers are Magicka Templars, and the top tanks are stam DKs?

Please enlighten me.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class

2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.

3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.

4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.

The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.

There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class

...? What? MagNB's only defense is Dampen Magicka, and Fear? And if a MagSorc loses to a MagNB, it's all about them being more skilled? What? WTF? I'm just going to listen to @Pinja and ease off MagNB's case. Thanks for the chuckle though. I appreciate it. Lol.

What exactly about this is confusing? It's pretty true for the most part. If a magic sorc and a magic NB duel, and the NB wins, yeah he was more skilled. Also, I would generally argue that a magic sorc is more powerful than a magic NB, they certainly are in PVE, and in my experience, that holds true in PVP too. The reality is that these are the most similar of any of the two classes, but sorcs have better offense, better defense, and better mobility. Nightblades are the best Jack of all Trades class IMO because they have a skill for just about everything, but its hard to call them the best at anything at the moment.

Sigtric · September 2016

OOJIMMY wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

OOJIMMY wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

That's the thing, I don't have any issues with the ult it's self but how easy it is getting it back so fast.
And I fail to see how this would drastically change stamblades.

Have you spent much time playing one?

It makes much more sense when you are on the NB side trying it for yourself. Not talking dueling here because I have no interest in dueling type 1v1, so:
We trade away a lot of things that other classes get to take advantage of, for our ability to attempt to GTFO. Being on the receiving end of it sucks, but it's not as easy as it looks.

Many NB play in bursts. Get in quick, do as much damage as you can ASAP and get out before you get squished. By and large, in the PVP environment we are trading longevity for damage. If we screw up, or if we get outplayed and can't escape, it's over. Now we're running back from spawn.

Incap is quick to charge because it can be dodged and it's only good on one target. That's the trade off.

I'm actually in the process of grinding out both stamblade and a magblade. I actually have more fun on the mag so that taking priority.
I've had people dodge my Dragon leap and that's still double the ult cost.
Ok if increasing the cost is do world breaking lower the ult gain from portions.

Personally I have always felt that Dragon Leap costs a tad bit too much for what it does. Even so, Dragon Leap is a gap close and basically an AOE around the target. Incap still only hits 1 person and I have to use another skill to gap close, or just run to you, to use it.

Caligamy_ESO · September 2016

Or we could ask them to buff all the builds that are extremely underwhelming to be competitive..

Brrrofski · September 2016

I think it's just how they synergise with certain sets to be honest. Alchemist, viper and velidreth are insane with damage from stealth and Incap.

Zeuq · September 2016

I love seeing the NB's are squishy posts lol people are clueless

Sigtric · September 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

I think it's just how they synergise with certain sets to be honest. Alchemist, viper and velidreth are insane with damage from stealth and Incap.

That's got some to do with it for sure.

Brrrofski · September 2016

Zeuq wrote: »

I love seeing the NB's are squishy posts lol people are clueless

Yeh, I never unserstand that too. Restances from their spammable, best cc in the game which can be used effectively for defence, cloak (albeit unreliable) which again gives resistances and even shade (yes, even on a stamblade).

Pinja · September 2016

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class

2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.

3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.

4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.

The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.

There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class

...? What? MagNB's only defense is Dampen Magicka, and Fear? And if a MagSorc loses to a MagNB, it's all about them being more skilled? What? WTF? I'm just going to listen to @Pinja and ease off MagNB's case. Thanks for the chuckle though. I appreciate it. Lol.

What exactly about this is confusing? It's pretty true for the most part. If a magic sorc and a magic NB duel, and the NB wins, yeah he was more skilled. Also, I would generally argue that a magic sorc is more powerful than a magic NB, they certainly are in PVE, and in my experience, that holds true in PVP too. The reality is that these are the most similar of any of the two classes, but sorcs have better offense, better defense, and better mobility. Nightblades are the best Jack of all Trades class IMO because they have a skill for just about everything, but its hard to call them the best at anything at the moment.

Since I was subsequently tagged in this so many times might as well comment.

Wouldn't really say Mag sorc has as high survivablity or versatility in that sense, compared to night blade. Down fall of all Magic classes is lack of stamina. While Streak may help cover distances better cloak is a better utility for escape as it helps avoid any potential incoming cc, when timed right, with one application. Streak however not only has to be spammed consistently in one unimpeded direction, but is costly & doesn't prevent more cost free crit rushes & gap closers from keeping up with sorcs as they deplete resources. As far as dps goes I'd believe it's a bit closer that you think. Magic sorc burst is more so sustained damage its just does chunks on a 3s interval, as you might do more with incap on a 6-10s interval. Other then that with destro your spectral procs better then a crystal, & curse times better with a meteor.
So it's close/not as big a deficit as compared to stamina.

JaJaLuka · September 2016

#bringbacksoftcaps
there, everything fixed

phaseadept · September 2016

Can we just eliminate momentum, rally, shuffle?

Then nobody would complain about stamina anything anymore.

ForsakenSin · September 2016

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

exactly thank you ....

So were magica DK and now they want to nerf Nb and after that Temp so in the end is anybody going to play this game ?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

Pinja wrote: »

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class

2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.

3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.

4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.

The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.

There's no way mag blade is better than mag sorc. Mag sorc had better burst better mobility and better defense. A magblades best defense is dampen magicka not even a class skill and fear. Mag sorc has unavoidable damage in curse so they can stack their burst damage. streak and mines are also better than anything my magblade has for repositioning. Magblade is basically just a poor man's magsorc at the moment. If you are a sorc and you are losing to a magblade he is just better than you it has nothing to do with the class

...? What? MagNB's only defense is Dampen Magicka, and Fear? And if a MagSorc loses to a MagNB, it's all about them being more skilled? What? WTF? I'm just going to listen to @Pinja and ease off MagNB's case. Thanks for the chuckle though. I appreciate it. Lol.

What exactly about this is confusing? It's pretty true for the most part. If a magic sorc and a magic NB duel, and the NB wins, yeah he was more skilled. Also, I would generally argue that a magic sorc is more powerful than a magic NB, they certainly are in PVE, and in my experience, that holds true in PVP too. The reality is that these are the most similar of any of the two classes, but sorcs have better offense, better defense, and better mobility. Nightblades are the best Jack of all Trades class IMO because they have a skill for just about everything, but its hard to call them the best at anything at the moment.

Since I was subsequently tagged in this so many times might as well comment.

Wouldn't really say Mag sorc has as high survivablity or versatility in that sense, compared to night blade. Down fall of all Magic classes is lack of stamina. While Streak may help cover distances better cloak is a better utility for escape as it helps avoid any potential incoming cc, when timed right, with one application. Streak however not only has to be spammed consistently in one unimpeded direction, but is costly & doesn't prevent more cost free crit rushes & gap closers from keeping up with sorcs as they deplete resources. As far as dps goes I'd believe it's a bit closer that you think. Magic sorc burst is more so sustained damage its just does chunks on a 3s interval, as you might do more with incap on a 6-10s interval. Other then that with destro your spectral procs better then a crystal, & curse times better with a meteor.
So it's close/not as big a deficit as it is to stam.

Well, I wont go into the magic stamina debate. As for Magic Sorc vs Magic NB, I stand by what I said. I disagree that cloak is a better escape than streak. Even with cost reduction, most sorcs can spam this 4 or 5 times to get away from any fight. Cloak is excellent for sneaking away before you engage, but once the fight starts, I have found cloak to be next to worthless as an escape mechanism. It has far too many counters IMO. The big difference that does make me still like playing my NB is that you can play it melee and use magic based gap closers and concealed weapon. That being said, if you are going to play that way, you might as well go stam.

In terms of damage, I think sorc wins on both fronts. They are able to better time burst in PVP (Curse+Frag+Meteor=dead people), and their sustained single target in PVE is much better. The later I am very comfortable commenting on as I spend most of my time in trials. In terms of magic, Sorcs are neck and neck with Tempars for the best Magic DPS. Nightblade is probably the worst. One of the best DPS I know that has been a magic NB forever, finally threw in the towel a few weeks ago.
If you compare the two in a trials perspective, they play fairly similar, but a sorc just hits harder and has better damage skills in their arsenal. The only real edge a NB has is that their execute scales a little higher. The also prob have better AoE from sap, but sap spamming in the new trials doesnt really work. It costs too much. Magic is leading the way in Trial AOE at the moment, just FYI. It probably goes DK>Templar>Sorc>NB.

The one skill that should be giving NBs a big damage buff (merciless resolve) is completely nullified because everyone gets the same buff from combat prayer. As for the spectral bow proc, Curse and frags both function better. In terms of a ground AOE, I will take liquid lightening over twisting path. In other words, everything a mNB can do, a mSorc can do a bit better.

FearlessOne_2014 · September 2016

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Nerf NBs this month.

Nerf DK next month.

Nerf Sorc the following month.

As someone who has played since beta this is so funny as to be sad.

The game will NEVER be balanced. Adjust and hang on for the ride. Things are sure to change next month again.

Remember that PVP is NOT the only aspect of this game.

True but remember PvE is done so much better in many other MMOs. At least the ones that are sub based or B2P. Eve Online, GW2, FFXIV, WoW, and I could name others if you like. So yeah other then a TES environment and social aspect.

As a TES fanboy. I'm sorry this MMO offers nothing else then a little bit of those two at the same time. And both of those categories are covered by other games, ie Skyrim and Oblivion for the TES environment. Then GW2, FFXIV, or even WoW for a casual social aspect. PvP goes to the MOBA genre as a whole. No MMO out these days except maybe, a big maybe, Eve Online can even hope to touch. The balance, fun, and competitive nature of PvP that MOBAs have. Looking at Dota and Smite. Oh before I forget I'll just add in that ESO has the absolute best visual graphics and story in combination. In a Fantasy MMO. Visual graphics alone goes to BDO, another B2P MMO. Story alone GW2, FFXIV, and WoW.

But that's different argument all together. And if you are willing to, by all means. Open up other thread and link my name in that thread. To draw my attention to the debate thread. Or you can do what most of the other sheep do when topics start get real. And just click on my forum name here. Go to my profile, and hit the ignore button. And instead of engaging in a dialog with me now. You can just go the status quo. And then wonder in 4 or 5 months from now why ESO is a ghost town. Either way. It is what it is.

Calboy · September 2016

Nerf nightblades so there is less of them to complain about black rose being op because their 3 shot combo no longer instantly gibs everyone

dashima · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dashima wrote: »

Before you ask for nerfs for a class, I suggest you try playing it and see how that class functions.

1) Stamina nightblade is the weakest stamina class

2) Magicka nightblade is the weakest magicka class, next to mag DK. they're both pretty bad rn.

3) Cloak is still broken by... literally everything. DoTs, gap closers, you name it. Right now the only things a nb can rely on are mobility/dodge roll, which only stamblades can do (and even then things like dawnbreaker which everyone and their mother is running can't be dodged), or abilities like shadow image.

4) High burst damage is a nightblade's only strong suit but even this is easily countered if you're a player worth a damn and have on impen, shields, or heavy armor (which is the meta so everyones running it).

5) Incap strike is very strong, I agree, but I don't think anything about that ability should be changed. If you're complaining about its damage, it is weaker than dawnbreaker, and has already seen damage nerfs. If you're complaining about its utility, I feel that an easy-to-access heal debuff is extremely necessary on a nightblade, esp considering how rampant healing is these days. Even if you remove the CC, a good nightblade will fear + incap you anyway, so it doesn't really matter. It is easily countered, its debuff effects can be purged, and it can be blocked and dodged.

There's a reason why everyone is rerolling templar or stam sorc. lol.

Magicka Nightblade is the weakest magicka-based class...? Do you know what it's like playing a magicka-based Sorcerer or magicka-based DK? I'd put NB's before Templars in terms of overall raw damage output, with Templars being second. DK's being third, and Sorcerers being fourth in terms of magicka DPS. And keep in mind, my main is a MagSorc.

The opinions you guys are giving are hella 'interesting'... I don't know where some of these claims are coming from. Lol.

Yeah, I've played magicka DK and honestly think that mag nightblade is almost just as bad.

The only magblades you'll see these days are bomblades. Because cloak is unreliable and melee magblade is an endangered species, the remaining non-proxybomb magblades play their builds like a sorcerer. Except sorcerer ofc does it better. You might be talking about pve dps or something, but from a solo pvp pov, I'm pretty sure sorcerer has decent burst damage. Next patch they're making curse unblockable so... there ya go. lol.

Gilvoth · September 2016

Milvan wrote: »

RLY? NB needs a nerf?

Have your ever seen a stamsorcerer on the battlefield? Sorcerers have super sayan mode and a "blink" escape that also does damage. They have a huge escape and a insane burst.

Don't "nerf NB's" on me please.

i agree, and i find this thread a bit disturbing, considering that stamina nightblades have allways been the underdog since beta.

LBxFinalDeath · September 2016

Get rid of the glitchy AF CC Incap strike has (that can and will lock you in place that you won't notice half the time for it to hit you) and I'd say that would make Stamblade quite a bit more balanced.

I mean...soul harvest is complete and utter garbage in comparison, it only does one thing (a small amount of ultimate given to you if you kill someone with it) while doing far less damage while Incap does big damage, neuters the targets healing by a ton AND is one of the hardest and glitchiest CCs in the game....incap should just reduce their healing in my humble opinion.

itscompton · September 2016

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

Yeah because all the weak no skill people rerolled to stam NB.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2016

If it was 75ult that would be the same cost as Sweep and Sweep is a cone so are you willing to see AoE added to it.

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Once they nerf nightblades i quit. We nightblades are squishy, you nerf our burst, the class will die.

Nightblades aren't squishy.

Troll or just a bad dps who can't deal decent damage against a nightblade? I wear 5 impen and have 47 points into crit resit and still get hit hard, dk'and templars have major mending, sorcs have implosion and us nightblades have our strong burst. L2P AND STOP ASKING FOR CLASS NERFS, look at mag sorcs, they got nerfed and you rarely see them anymore in pvp.

That only helps you vs Crit I for one dropped crit I stack armor pen, weapon damage and max stamina. Crit resistance builds are everywhere. With 20k armor pen + 35k stamina and 3k unbuffed weapon damage Crit is as pointless as Cloak every last person in Cyrodiil can counter both.

MaxwellC · September 2016

Definitely incap needs a nerf if smiting is getting a 25 ulti increase then incap should be increased by 50 or remove major defile from it's debuffs.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Definitely incap needs a nerf if smiting is getting a 25 ulti increase then incap should be increased by 50 or remove major defile from it's debuffs.

No Thanks, if we were doing the math, then it would only be a 25% increase, so the Ultimate cost would be 62.5, rounded up, that would be 63 Ultimate.