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Undaunted 10?
Breedj01
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How about raising the undaunted max to 10 and adding an ultimate? Perhaps an AoE taunt? Morph to also stun/extended time? Pleeeeease!
Where are all the Oranges? Plenty of other fruits in tamriel... Where are the Oranges??
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes to Undaunted 10.
Yes to Undaunted Ultimate.
No to AoE taunt.
At least come up with something useful to all 3 roles...Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭inb4 people who have never and will never tank give their opinion on how an AOE taunt is so damaging to the game5 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭inb4 people who have never and will never tank give their opinion on how an AOE taunt is so damaging to the game
How about people that have had a tank since launch, currently has two, and has tanked pretty much everything, agreeing that it's not needed. Aggro isn't a problem as is. Also, no tank worth their salt would use an ultimate for a taunt. Huge waste.8 -
AtmaDarkwolf✭✭✭maybe the reverse. A very cheap (50 ult cost) ultimate that does the opposite (or a random taunt if u morph?)
Basically a 'placate' type ability that gives 'sneak attack' bonuses after used?
Although that don't really fit in line with the undaunted method of operations (AKA: Do stupid crap yet still come out golden)Edited by ZOS_PeterT on September 16, 2016 4:03PM0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭make it a low cost ultimate (around 100), that requires a synergy to transfer all of your aggro to the tank.Daggerfall Covenant
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mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭I prefer using my ultimate to toot my own horn tyvm.
Also umm why is an aoe taunt actually needed in this game? Considering what 3% of the content actually needs a tank...
And yes I have tanked before...3 -
TheDarkRuler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fear No Death
Costs: 300 Ultimate Power
Range: None
Radius: 15 Meters
Duration: 10 seconds
While slotted heal yourself by X each time you activate an allies synergy.
Surround yourself by an aura of absolute neglect for death. The first time within this abilities duration if you would die become incapacitated instead. An ally can then use the 'Undaunted Forever' Synergy for 5 seconds to pick you up.
Morph #1: I'm back Muhahah
When being picked up gain Major Berserk for 20 seconds increasing your damage done by 25%.
Morph #2: Avenging Death
If dying while being incapacitated rally your allies granting them Minor Berserk for 20 seconds, increasing their damage dealt by 8 percent.
Edited by TheDarkRuler on September 16, 2016 3:37PM2 -
ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tank here. Hi, how are you all doing?
No an AOE taught is not needed. Honestly if this becomes a tank and spank combat game like other MMO's then its really going to hurt combat.
What makes ESO so much fun is that fact that each class has to be able to protect themselves. Having the tank holding aggro through every single pull will become boring for DPS and heals who will just stand there and spam attacks and yawn to the next mob.
I do not mind an Undaunted Ultimate, but not an AOE taunt. It is not needed. To be honest, if you need one, then either your group cannot protect or defend themselves, or you have that WoW mentality of charging in and just stand there and not doing anything but auto attacking and taunting.Conan, what is good in life?
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭inb4 people who have never and will never tank give their opinion on how an AOE taunt is so damaging to the game
How about people that have had a tank since launch, currently has two, and has tanked pretty much everything, agreeing that it's not needed. Aggro isn't a problem as is. Also, no tank worth their salt would use an ultimate for a taunt. Huge waste.
I said people who have never and will never tank... not people who've had a tank since launch. Typical tank mentality right here...1 -
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✭I'd support that too, but not only for the reasons already explained but also because seeing a non-round number (except on paychecks) makes me nervous XDI am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
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ajback_ESO✭✭✭I enjoy this idea, I think it has a lot of opportunity, but perhaps they can add a morph that benefits each role (dps, heals, tank). Much like I wish they'd add more morphing categories to our current skill lines...Certifications:
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭inb4 people who have never and will never tank give their opinion on how an AOE taunt is so damaging to the game
How about people that have had a tank since launch, currently has two, and has tanked pretty much everything, agreeing that it's not needed. Aggro isn't a problem as is. Also, no tank worth their salt would use an ultimate for a taunt. Huge waste.
I said people who have never and will never tank... not people who've had a tank since launch. Typical tank mentality right here...
You made it out like people who don't tank don't see why an aoe taunt is needed, abd if they did tank they'd see why. Just saying, I don't think it's needed.
I also have a healer and 2 dps that have done about pretty much everything too, so I don't just have a tank mentality.1 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭inb4 people who have never and will never tank give their opinion on how an AOE taunt is so damaging to the game
How about people that have had a tank since launch, currently has two, and has tanked pretty much everything, agreeing that it's not needed. Aggro isn't a problem as is. Also, no tank worth their salt would use an ultimate for a taunt. Huge waste.
I said people who have never and will never tank... not people who've had a tank since launch. Typical tank mentality right here...
You made it out like people who don't tank don't see why an aoe taunt is needed, abd if they did tank they'd see why. Just saying, I don't think it's needed.
I also have a healer and 2 dps that have done about pretty much everything too, so I don't just have a tank mentality.
When did anyone in this thread ever say that an AOE taunt is needed?
I don't think an AOE taunt is needed either and if there was one, I wouldn't use it either.
It's just one of those sheepish topics that I can't help myself from commenting on, chill out broski dude pal buddy matey
Edited by Voxicity on September 16, 2016 4:24PM1 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »Fear No Death
Costs: 300 Ultimate Power
Range: None
Radius: 15 Meters
Duration: 10 seconds
While slotted heal yourself by X each time you activate an allies synergy.
Surround yourself by an aura of absolute neglect for death. The first time within this abilities duration if you would die become incapacitated instead. An ally can then use the 'Undaunted Forever' Synergy for 5 seconds to pick you up.
Morph #1: I'm back Muhahah
When being picked up gain Major Berserk for 20 seconds increasing your damage done by 25%.
Morph #2: Avenging Death
If dying while being incapacitated rally your allies granting them Minor Berserk for 20 seconds, increasing their damage dealt by 8 percent.
this would be pretty cool.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »Why exactly is AoE taunt a bad idea? I'm curious...
You can see all the approval and disapproval posts for AoE Taunting in this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/289777/aoe-tuant-should-be-added-to/p1AOE taunt ultimate is possible if it lasts 4 seconds with 10 seconds cooldown.
A cooldown on an Ultimate is pointless. The fact it's an Ultimate IS the cooldown.
Personally, I want what you want OP, except it'd have a synergy for allies to activate that could buff them somehow, or even decrease aggro on them.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 16, 2016 4:42PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Not for Undaunted it wouldn't lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Ha. That is the absolute most-unlikely possibility.
It will be something group-oriented, like every other Undaunted skill.0 -
VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭I'm already Undaunted 10
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Yes
Maybe...but you can always use Caltrops as an AoE taunt.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm already Undaunted 10 .
Yes
Maybe...but you can always use Caltrops as an AoE taunt.
That may work for SOME, but as costly as it is and limited radius as it is it isn't as ideal, especially since Tanks need all the Stamina they can get oft times.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ugh. All this AoE taunt nonsense. It's so unimaginative for people to even suggest that the Undaunted Ultimate, which is something that should benefit the entire group and castable by anyone in the group, would be best wasted on a useless ability designed for a single role, usable by only one (or sometimes two) group members. Humbug.
People really should stop this narrow-minded obsession with AoE taunts--ESO combat is not like combat in other games, and thus it doesn't make sense to blindly copy mechanics from other games without any consideration to whether it even makes any sense in the broader context.
Anyway, putting that aside, let's try something like this instead:
Battle Cry, 250 Ultimate, provides a synergy that any number of group members can use (to join in the caster's cry)
The caster and any group member activating the synergy is granted Undaunted Resolve for 10s, with the following effects:- Bolster your force of will, increasing damage dealt by X%.
- Sap the resolve of your enemies: each blocked hit increases your resistance by Y while decreasing the attacker's resistance by Y, stacking up to 5 times.
- Invigorate your healing, increasing healing done by Z% and increasing the weapon and spell damage of allies healed by you by W, stacking up to 5 times.
Everyone who synergizes gets all 3 buffs, so every role will get some kind of use out of the synergy. The numbers should be tuned such that it's a bit better than War Horn for group DPS (since Undaunted is the skill line for Group PvE, after all, and War Horn is from the Alliance War) and so that it doesn't pigeonhole the ultimate to something that only support roles use (which is the case for War Horn). This could be done by increasing the potency of the effect for the caster (perhaps duration of the buff for the caster is increased by 1s for each person who activates the synergy), so a DPS might actually consider running it instead of a pure DPS ultimate.
Edited by code65536 on September 16, 2016 6:57PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ugh. All this AoE taunt nonsense. It's so unimaginative for people to even suggest that the Undaunted Ultimate, which is something that should be benefit the entire group and castable by anyone in the group, would be best wasted on a useless ability designed for a single role, usable by only one (or sometimes two) group members. Humbug.
People really should stop this narrow-minded obsession with AoE taunts--ESO combat is not like combat in other games, and thus it doesn't make sense to blindly copy mechanics from other games without any consideration to whether it even makes any sense in the broader context.
Anyway, putting that aside, let's try something like this instead:
Battle Cry, 250 Ultimate, provides a synergy that any number of group members can use (to join in the caster's cry)
The caster and any group member activating the synergy is granted Undaunted Resolve for 10s, with the following effects:- Bolster your force of will, increasing damage dealt by X%.
- Sap the resolve of your enemies: each blocked hit increases your resistance by Y while decreasing the attacker's resistance by Y, stacking up to 5 times.
- Invigorate your healing, increasing healing done by Z% and increasing the weapon and spell damage of allies healed by you by W, stacking up to 5 times.
Everyone who synergizes gets all 3 buffs, so every role will get some kind of use out of the synergy. The numbers should be tuned such that it's a bit better than War Horn for group DPS (since Undaunted is the skill line for Group PvE, after all, and War Horn is from the Alliance War) and so that it doesn't pigeonhole the ultimate to something that only support roles use (which is the case for War Horn). This could be done by increasing the potency of the effect for the caster (perhaps duration of the buff for the caster is increased by 1s for each person who activates the synergy), so a DPS might actually consider running it instead of a pure DPS ultimate.
We get it, you're against AoE Taunts.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Whirlwind is enough for an aoe taunt, no need for more.
And yes - a big NO! for special aoe taunt, especially in response to those lazy DDs, always only yelling for resources and blaming tanks and healers because they have problem with stamina while nobody is willing to help - into a deep hole with all those noobs
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Against AoE taunts? Don't use them. Problem solved. Personally I don't care either way but if people want them then that is fine too.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ugh. All this AoE taunt nonsense. It's so unimaginative for people to even suggest that the Undaunted Ultimate, which is something that should be benefit the entire group and castable by anyone in the group, would be best wasted on a useless ability designed for a single role, usable by only one (or sometimes two) group members. Humbug.
People really should stop this narrow-minded obsession with AoE taunts--ESO combat is not like combat in other games, and thus it doesn't make sense to blindly copy mechanics from other games without any consideration to whether it even makes any sense in the broader context.
Anyway, putting that aside, let's try something like this instead:
Battle Cry, 250 Ultimate, provides a synergy that any number of group members can use (to join in the caster's cry)
The caster and any group member activating the synergy is granted Undaunted Resolve for 10s, with the following effects:- Bolster your force of will, increasing damage dealt by X%.
- Sap the resolve of your enemies: each blocked hit increases your resistance by Y while decreasing the attacker's resistance by Y, stacking up to 5 times.
- Invigorate your healing, increasing healing done by Z% and increasing the weapon and spell damage of allies healed by you by W, stacking up to 5 times.
Everyone who synergizes gets all 3 buffs, so every role will get some kind of use out of the synergy. The numbers should be tuned such that it's a bit better than War Horn for group DPS (since Undaunted is the skill line for Group PvE, after all, and War Horn is from the Alliance War) and so that it doesn't pigeonhole the ultimate to something that only support roles use (which is the case for War Horn). This could be done by increasing the potency of the effect for the caster (perhaps duration of the buff for the caster is increased by 1s for each person who activates the synergy), so a DPS might actually consider running it instead of a pure DPS ultimate.
We get it, you're against AoE Taunts.
We get it, you'll cheerlead for AoE taunts even in the face of overwhelming reason against them.
And, yes, in case it's not abundantly clear, I'm against them, and for good reason. And furthermore, even if AoE taunts were a good idea in this game, to waste (and yes, I do mean waste) the Undaunted skill line ultimate on something so narrow in scope, intended for a single role, would be a travesty of design.Edited by code65536 on September 16, 2016 7:04PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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