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Maelstrom is the worst thing that ZoS ever put into this game
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The Uninvited✭✭✭✭✭
✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Oh please, I can name whole guilds that have completed veteran trials without Maelstrom weapons.
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IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭MrAppleman wrote: »There are plenty of options without vMA weapons. A lot of magicka builds are putting on the back bar just to get the light attacks damage from the enchantment.
On stam classes you could rock velidreth, Viscous serpent and a crafted set. Plus there are new sets coming and Jewlery being added to current sets.
Not a deal breaker if you don't have them. Sure some classes really shine with them. But other than stam dk you can make your way around it
Or go get master weapons now that they scale? For real I can't believe these threads still exist now that you can get cp160 master weapons.
If there are so many options out there as alternatives for the vMA weapons then why does virtually every build out there still only uses these weapons (at least for stam build) ?
And even if the builds mention non vMA alternatives it's usually one the same ol' "craft a sharpened weapons, slap an enchant on it and use agility jewlery" stuff, but not using any of these alternatives.
I've tried combining a few of these for myself (mostly Viper, as they are not as hard to get as the VO set), but the DPS changes are minuscule at best (unfortunatly us poor Console users have to rely on the bloodspawn test for this, not that exact as a test ...).
So if there are any stambuild out there (i.e. stamblade) that use alternatives to the vMA weapons I really would love to see them.1 -
LegendaryArcher✭✭✭✭I have completed all Craglorn Vet Trials and 2 of them in hard mode. I dont have MA weapons, I'm still on the last boss of VMA.I know all the mechanics and tricks, I just haven't had the motivation to do it. Maybe once my guild starts Vet MoL progression I might go in and complete the damn thing and farm for the staves..
Good luck with that. I gave up and uninstalled after 300 runs (250+ flawless). Others have done the same after 1000+ vMA runs. Good luck with farming for staves.
P.S.: Just so you know, the people that have vMA weapons got them before DB when all weapons dropped in good traits. With DB they polluted the loot table with crappy traits, and since then no one is getting usable vMA weapons. You have a 20% chance of NOT getting your desired weapon after 1000+ runs. Now you know. You're welcome.Edited by LegendaryArcher on September 12, 2016 8:10AMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates0 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is the problem I have with the token system:
I'd hate if it turned out to be 1st stage farming.
The only way I see a token system work would be if there is only one token per run.
Or better yet, the tokens are generated by deconstructing Maelstrom weapons.0 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing I think MA does wrong is the fact it's solo.
You don't get it.
You can't blame anyone else for failing a solo arena.
This is a perfect "sanity check", to show you how good or bad you actually are.
When in group dungeons, people always tend to blame someone else for failing, nobody likes to admit they suck.3 -
Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭Very boring content. I came to an online game to play with others. Doesn't bother me they made it for solo players, everyone got their thing and that's what matters.1 -
Just come back to at a later level. You do not absolutely need Maelstrom weapons to be successful.
I attempted it at 280 CP, farmed to 380 CP and did it again and finally beat it. Was a vampire too.
The key is to not stress over it at a lower CP, just grind some XP out and get more CP.
A lot of people complain that getting CP is difficult but in reality it's a lot better and quicker now than it was before. At least you don't require 975,000 XP just for 1 CP.
not true with the new cp system was introduced ... players at 210 cp recieve diminishing returns on xp from kills ... so altho cp was harder to get when it first dropped it is 55% harder to get since the removal of the vet system ... sucks when u get a toon to 50 and your only getting 60-220 cxp per kill
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✭✭✭✭✭karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »Just come back to at a later level. You do not absolutely need Maelstrom weapons to be successful.
I attempted it at 280 CP, farmed to 380 CP and did it again and finally beat it. Was a vampire too.
The key is to not stress over it at a lower CP, just grind some XP out and get more CP.
A lot of people complain that getting CP is difficult but in reality it's a lot better and quicker now than it was before. At least you don't require 975,000 XP just for 1 CP.
not true with the new cp system was introduced ... players at 210 cp recieve diminishing returns on xp from kills ... so altho cp was harder to get when it first dropped it is 55% harder to get since the removal of the vet system ... sucks when u get a toon to 50 and your only getting 60-220 cxp per kill
It´s actually easier to grind CP after the removal.......:P0 -
LegendaryArcher✭✭✭✭This is the problem I have with the token system:
I'd hate if it turned out to be 1st stage farming.
The only way I see a token system work would be if there is only one token per run.
Or better yet, the tokens are generated by deconstructing Maelstrom weapons.
@Dubhliam If each flawless (no death) run gave 1 token and a weapon of one's choice required 250 tokens, I would have my weapon by now and would probably still be playing ESO.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates0 -
Well I just completed mael for the first time (390 cp) and received a powered resto staff, a very nice reward considering my main is a magicka temp. I'll definitely be farming it from now on, hopefully the drop rate of good-traited gear isn't as low as people claim. lolEP Stam dk
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Turbocharged wrote: »Well I just completed mael for the first time (390 cp) and received a powered resto staff, a very nice reward considering my main is a magicka temp. I'll definitely be farming it from now on, hopefully the drop rate of good-traited gear isn't as low as people claim. lol
That's pretty epic, and congratulations on your clear. To be honest, I wish I had a powered maelstrom restoration staff. ._.1 -
Nysara✭✭✭vMA teaches you play with out of box thinking. Instead of full DPS gear+abilities, you have to think defensively. Abit of tweak needed to get your toon right on line. Like choosing some defensive morphs too. For me with a Magicka DK, I'm going 5 heavy armor pieces and S&B. Dropping my DoT's and watch it tick while im blocking in some hard fights or some fights needed to be defensive.
Nature of DK means you need to stay in close to your enemies to deal damage so i adapted this style instead going full glass cannon. With all Light armor and staves, my dps increases but also i die when i try to use my skills. A dead man cant DPS so i have to stay alive and keep dps.
Sometimes i can be mini tank when situation depends. It makes my group have some relief while getting back at fight.
Oh also sometimes i use Resto staves to keep me sustained.Edited by Nysara on September 12, 2016 12:03PM0 -
Pallio✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it is safe to say after 50 times completing vMSA, you have figured it out, you have become a better player etc. Why do you have to do it 100 more times to get the drop you need? At least in trails, while you grind out the rings etc. you still get something of value sometimes from the other bosses, vMSA is just garbage in every chest until the last one, which has a small chance of not being garbage as well.0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭The only thing I think MA does wrong is the fact it's solo.
You don't get it.
You can't blame anyone else for failing a solo arena.
This is a perfect "sanity check", to show you how good or bad you actually are.
When in group dungeons, people always tend to blame someone else for failing, nobody likes to admit they suck.
I suck, why isn't so hard to say that u made a mistake.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing I think MA does wrong is the fact it's solo.
You don't get it.
You can't blame anyone else for failing a solo arena.
This is a perfect "sanity check", to show you how good or bad you actually are.
When in group dungeons, people always tend to blame someone else for failing, nobody likes to admit they suck.
I suck, why isn't so hard to say that u made a mistake.
You don't suck. No one sucks in video games. People need to understand that. There's simply just being more experienced in certain things, and levels of things such as concentration and focus. Seriously. There's levels to mastery in gaming. Whether it be: MMO's, FPS's, FG's, etc. However! There is such a thing as the "scrub mentality". And that is something entirely different, but still relavent. Here, take a look over this. It should help you. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win0 -
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✭The Uninvited wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Oh please, I can name whole guilds that have completed veteran trials without Maelstrom weapons.
sure they can be completed. But end game guilds that recruit are requiring weapons quite often. Its not about finishing its about leaderboard scores lol. In this game the faster you can ignore the mechanics stack and burn the better you are apparently. ZOS game design is as shallow as the kiddie pool in my back yard1 -
Soundwave✭✭✭vMA teaches you play with out of box thinking. Instead of full DPS gear+abilities, you have to think defensively. Abit of tweak needed to get your toon right on line. Like choosing some defensive morphs too. For me with a Magicka DK, I'm going 5 heavy armor pieces and S&B. Dropping my DoT's and watch it tick while im blocking in some hard fights or some fights needed to be defensive.
Nature of DK means you need to stay in close to your enemies to deal damage so i adapted this style instead going full glass cannon. With all Light armor and staves, my dps increases but also i die when i try to use my skills. A dead man cant DPS so i have to stay alive and keep dps.
Sometimes i can be mini tank when situation depends. It makes my group have some relief while getting back at fight.
Oh also sometimes i use Resto staves to keep me sustained.
So you're telling vMA is teaching everyone common sense. I take back everything that I have said before. If it in facts makes more people to gain common sense, god bless ZoS; a token system needs to be built. Having more people with common sense in tamriel should be rewarded.
No I'm seriously, the amount of stupid people running around surprises me. Oh one Las thing, I never once said anything should be given to me. U assumed, which is something I find disrespectful. At the current moment my membership is done, because life happen.
Paying the membership or the dlc to obtain vMA is like p2w to some people. Because u are buying someone that increases your dps that in fact came from the crown store. You took what I said and twisted it for your enjoyment.
I dont get upset, I wont disrespect or disgrace a fellow gamer; because of their opinion. Its like this opinions are like a$$holes, everyone got them. I shrug if off, it doesn't bother me what people say. Because at the end of day its just a video game that we disagree and agree on in different topics. So ill be the bigger man and say I am sorry that I might offend u.0 -
LegendaryArcher✭✭✭✭I think it is safe to say after 50 times completing vMSA, you have figured it out, you have become a better player etc. Why do you have to do it 100 more times to get the drop you need?
@Pallio 100? Keep dreaming. Only around 18% of vMA farmers will have their weapon after 150 runs. 20% won't have it even after 1000 runs. Math ftw.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭The only thing I think MA does wrong is the fact it's solo.
You don't get it.
You can't blame anyone else for failing a solo arena.
This is a perfect "sanity check", to show you how good or bad you actually are.
When in group dungeons, people always tend to blame someone else for failing, nobody likes to admit they suck.
I suck, why isn't so hard to say that u made a mistake.
You don't suck. No one sucks in video games. People need to understand that. There's simply just being more experienced in certain things, and levels of things such as concentration and focus. Seriously. There's levels to mastery in gaming. Whether it be: MMO's, FPS's, FG's, etc. However! There is such a thing as the "scrub mentality". And that is something entirely different, but still relavent. Here, take a look over this. It should help you. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
I have play many different mmo, hardcore raided in most of them. Almost every mechanic u see in any mmo comes from wow raiding. I never got a server first, but we tried; 12-15 hours a day for a week on one boss. Just so we could do it all over again. Worst boss that I've tank, heal and dps fight was heroic lick king, at the right level he suck every bit of life out me. But in eso I just want casual and its really hard to do when everyone is saying u suck since u don't have maelstrom. A weapon shouldn't define u, your past experience should. Not the case anymore, why should players have to deal with that. I am so glad u can't inspect players, that would bring on so many other problem.
To everyone that has a maelstrom you're awesome, great job in completing it. U get gold star and to everyone I am sry, but its only going to get worse before it gets better. The ideology behind the weapons, makes everyone else suck. The shamming, disrespecting, and down right being *** will only get worse
Oh and adding weapon base ultimate, man I don't even want to play pvp or try to do pve, because without it I don't even have fair chance anymore. U added a element to game that is unfair and getting to point unplayable. The players that have these weapons out perform almost anyone, making it hard for little guys to enjoy the game that they love. I don't understand why we got punished for wanting to be casual player.
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Acharnor✭✭✭✭I don't agree it is the worst thing put in the game - Most frustrating thing - 100%!!!!!!!! I'm on the second arena and seriously doubt my ability to finish it. I would dearly love one of those sweet weapons though so will continue to plug away at it. May take me a year - I don't know. The amount of damage one suffers in there is bananas, everything hits like the Terminator. Sigh! Good luck comrades.Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.3 -
Paraflex✭✭✭✭Mael is amazing and produces better players...I push mael on everyone I know because if you reach flawless conquerer or consistently hit the top 100 on the leaderboards your a solid player. It's a great benchmark for anyone...you seem salty about the rewards and solo experience. I agree the current RNG system sucks but at least now we get 100% mael dropsEdited by Paraflex on September 12, 2016 2:55PMHollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭Regardless of how essential people think maelstrom weapons are. I have a 571 and a 574K flawless vma score, with probably nearing 300 runs and I have literally never had an inferno staff drop. For everyone saying "quit whining, you're bad" do I not deserve a staff? Not even streak has one and he is one of the best maelstrom runners in the game.
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Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭i got sick of the loot drops that i do not bother doing vma anymore. I literally haven't done a run in a month. I've only done about 50 runs while knowing full well that it takes 100+ runs to get what you want based on other people's experiences. I am not gonna bother getting carpal tunnel in doing over 100 runs just to get a sharpened 2h sword, precise bow for crit heals, or a sharpened bow. I still have not gotten any of the weapons i want not even a precise bow or a sharpened 2h sword so i just left. I can at least say that the vma arena did not beat me but the RNG did. Some have become flawless conquerors over and over again and still do not have their desirable weapon. That alone should tell you how broken vma's loot table is.Edited by Kalante on September 12, 2016 3:59PM0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Maelstrom difficulty isn't a problem. Maelstrom loot system is.
That seems pretty clear. Also, RNGscrew out of flawless kinda stinks, for people who are on that level (which I'm not, but it sure looks frustrating to lose a flawless run to some of the randomesque deaths).Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Mush55✭✭✭✭I salute all who have completed this bloody arena, I'm still stuck on the ice flo round . Dose it produce better players, who knows but it certainly makes you think a bit more aware about whats going on around and not just in front of you.
If you want that edge on your build then you just have to deal with the sheer frustration that I have found in there and get on with it.
But I think with the loot drop it should at least pick the weapon you want and then take the gamble on the trait it drops in , that should at least make finishing it a bit more palatable.0 -
Duxes✭✭✭I don't agree it is the worst thing put in the game - Most frustrating thing - 100%!!!!!!!! I'm on the second arena and seriously doubt my ability to finish it. I would dearly love one of those sweet weapons though so will continue to plug away at it. May take me a year - I don't know. The amount of damage one suffers in there is bananas, everything hits like the Terminator. Sigh! Good luck comrades.
You'll get it! It's all about practice and patience. One week ago I never would of thought I'd be able to complete it and now I have 3 completions under my belt! One defensive dagger, one decisive bow and one sharpened axe!1
