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Maelstrom is the worst thing that ZoS ever put into this game
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Soundwave✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
[snip]
Streak One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KRsu4XwZ8
All is said and shown here. 48,5k DPS without a Maelstrom Staff speaks for itself.
I agree skill should out weight having a maelstrom weapon, but it doesn't. Which sad in my book.1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
[snip]
Streak One.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KRsu4XwZ8
All is said and shown here. 48,5k DPS without a Maelstrom Staff speaks for itself.
I agree skill should out weight having a maelstrom weapon, but it doesn't. Which sad in my book.
Watch that video. Then we can talk about how Maelstrom is a must-have.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Soundwave✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
[snip]
Streak One.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KRsu4XwZ8
All is said and shown here. 48,5k DPS without a Maelstrom Staff speaks for itself.
I agree skill should out weight having a maelstrom weapon, but it doesn't. Which sad in my book.
Watch that video. Then we can talk about how Maelstrom is a must-have.
I am not saying its a must have, I honestly think it should be removed from the game permanently. The ideology behind it, is ruining how players look at other players and are shamed for not having one.0 -
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »First off I'm not complaining because I'm unable to do it.... I'm complaining about it because you're more than forced to do it just to obtain a powerful weapon to further advance your build. For all of the DPS burst builds out there more less requires you to have a maelstrom weapon. For players like me who really wants to participate in high DPS events such as a vet trial I am forced to do something that I really don't want... To completely reset my entire build (At the cost of me of course... since resetting your skill points/etc cost you a *** loads of gold) just to accommodate the solo based environment of maelstrom.
ZoS, I play ESO so that I can interact with other players.. to play dungeons and trials with other people who share the same interest as I do. While I'm more of a PvE kind of player I just might get into some PvP in the near future... I don't play your game to play all by myself. If I really want to do that then I just shut the game off, and go play some Skyrim or grand theft auto.
Ive the same feeling. I play one Chr a Orc DK tank. VMA was supposed to be hard solo player content for this mysterious Player base that played ESO that did not like the MMO part of ESO lol. Well that mysterious player base that was vocaly loud 18 months after the launch of ESO. The devs made VMA for them !! LOL well this mysterious player base left ESO. now the weapons that dropped for a player base that hated group content and only wanted solo content are a required item to do VR trials. And anything you get in a 4 man VR content is sub par to what can be crafted and there is no alternative to Maelstrom weapons0 -
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »First off I'm not complaining because I'm unable to do it.... I'm complaining about it because you're more than forced to do it just to obtain a powerful weapon to further advance your build. For all of the DPS burst builds out there more less requires you to have a maelstrom weapon. For players like me who really wants to participate in high DPS events such as a vet trial I am forced to do something that I really don't want... To completely reset my entire build (At the cost of me of course... since resetting your skill points/etc cost you a *** loads of gold) just to accommodate the solo based environment of maelstrom.
ZoS, I play ESO so that I can interact with other players.. to play dungeons and trials with other people who share the same interest as I do. While I'm more of a PvE kind of player I just might get into some PvP in the near future... I don't play your game to play all by myself. If I really want to do that then I just shut the game off, and go play some Skyrim or grand theft auto.
Just find 3 good players to run vet dsa with you, now that it's max level. The some of the weapons are just as good.Bosmer Stamina NB
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »First off I'm not complaining because I'm unable to do it.... I'm complaining about it because you're more than forced to do it just to obtain a powerful weapon to further advance your build. For all of the DPS burst builds out there more less requires you to have a maelstrom weapon. For players like me who really wants to participate in high DPS events such as a vet trial I am forced to do something that I really don't want... To completely reset my entire build (At the cost of me of course... since resetting your skill points/etc cost you a *** loads of gold) just to accommodate the solo based environment of maelstrom.
ZoS, I play ESO so that I can interact with other players.. to play dungeons and trials with other people who share the same interest as I do. While I'm more of a PvE kind of player I just might get into some PvP in the near future... I don't play your game to play all by myself. If I really want to do that then I just shut the game off, and go play some Skyrim or grand theft auto.
Just find 3 good players to run vet dsa with you, now that it's max level. The some of the weapons are just as good.
Eh... I wouldn't exactly say that. Lol. The Master: destruction staves, bow, dual-wield, and restoration staves kinda aren't nearly as good as their Maelstrom counterparts. However! The restoration staff is kinda just as good. Kinda. But like, I think it's a mix really. For example: The Master Bow, the Master Sword, and the Master Destruction Staves are amazing in PVP. Where as the Master Restoration Staff and Master Dagger for example excels at PVE.0 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.3 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally, I like Maelstrom, it needs a token system but I've grown fond of it overall.
That being said I get the reason people dislike it. I think they're a little too quick to call it the worst thing ever (that would be PvP in my opinion), but I do get the dislike.
Now, that being said, I only mean that I get the people who dislike feeling like they have to change their builds to do solo content. The players who claim it's hard need to learn to play. Plenty of us have learned to do it, which means you can too unless you're physically handicapped.0 -
Flak✭✭✭✭Looking at the arena itself, it's one of the best PvE-Content in the game, the overall design is very nice. I would also rather have a 2player+ version, but I think it still definitely has its place in the game.
But should it drop the best gear? No of course not. And we definitely need a Token System for this kind of content.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Looking at the arena itself, it's one of the best PvE-Content in the game, the overall design is very nice. I would also rather have a 2player+ version, but I think it still definitely has its place in the game.
But should it drop the best gear? No of course not. And we definitely need a Token System for this kind of content.
I strongly disagree with it being 1 of the best PVE-based forms of content in the game, but then again — we are all entitled to our opinions. So I have to respect that. Also, I definitely feel it should drop the best gear (in regards to weapons). This is due to the numerous forms of intensity and stress that the arena applies to the player, and for having to endure all that it throws at you alone? Yes, players should without a doubt be rewarded quite handsomely for their work. As for a token system? I agree with you 110%. There should have been a token system and 100% drop-rate since it was introduced in the Orsinium DLC.Edited by Ch4mpTW on September 11, 2016 11:14PM0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.0 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭To say that maelstrom is required for vet trials is an uninformed player. It is recommended but many groups have completed vet trials without it. What makes your dps is to perfect your rotation; the weapons are there to facilitate. Even if you have the weapons and do not have your rotation to the 'T' , then your dps will underperform.
I don't know what game you are playing but on na ps4 if you haven't completed maelstrom you are allowed to do a lot of trials. If you haven't gotten the right weapon your bloodspawn time will be several seconds off. You will not be allowed or you will be second string.
I agree with op
It sounds like you are running with a lot of elitist jerks to me....0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
Come on 80% of pvp players still stand in red circles.2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
Come on 80% of pvp players still stand in red circles.
LMAO! Hahahaha! You might be on to something. Whenever I run trials with people who PVP primarily, they always are the first to die. And 9x out of 10, they were standing in red circles.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
More lag with One Tamriel
But really I think a third Arena will come out eventually to give us more "Master" type weapons.Edited by Vaoh on September 11, 2016 11:51PM0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
Come on 80% of pvp players still stand in red circles.
LMAO! Hahahaha! You might be on to something. Whenever I run trials with people who PVP primarily, they always are the first to die. And 9x out of 10, they were standing in red circles.
I dont even understand it, can they not comprehend the pre-red that comes before the red circle. Do u think healers like to heal stupid, my blue bar is your life bar. Standing in red makes me have blue balls, where I am struggle to heal stupid again0 -
SteveCampsOut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
Dude, you do realize that Vet-Trials not only Predate Maelstrom Arena, they used to be harder and people completed them just fine! This is a LTP issue mixed with Elitist Newbs who think they can't do trials without weapons that make life a cake walk!@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
More lag with One Tamriel
But really I think a third Arena will come out eventually to give us more "Master" type weapons.
I honestly can see that happening. The weapons in question would effect the third skill or weapon trees or weapon ultimates, being as Master weapons deal with the first skill, and Maelstrom Weapoms deal with the second. And I'd be willing to bet it'd require 12 people, being as there is a solo and 4-man arena. Yes... I can see it now. And instead of granting increased spell/weapon damage, or crit or max resources? It'd increase regeneration. As for the stages, it'd continue following the trend of 9 stages. But, you'd be facing Daedric princes. Bam! There you go ZOS. I just did the job of your planners for you. Make it happen. Lol.Edited by Ch4mpTW on September 11, 2016 11:59PM0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭SteveCampsOut wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
Dude, you do realize that Vet-Trials not only Predate Maelstrom Arena, they used to be harder and people completed them just fine! This is a LTP issue mixed with Elitist Newbs who think they can't do trials without weapons that make life a cake walk!
Content that is done right in the right gear, is more rewarding than when you're op. I before progression over completion any day.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
More lag with One Tamriel
But really I think a third Arena will come out eventually to give us more "Master" type weapons.
I honestly can see that happening. The weapons in question would effect the third skill or weapon trees or weapon ultimates, being as Master weapons deal with the first skill, and Maelstrom Weapoms deal with the second. And I'd be willing to bet it'd require 12 people, being as there is a solo and 4-man arena. Yes... I can see it now. And instead of granting increased spell/weapon damage, or crit or max resources? It'd increase regeneration. Bam! There you go ZOS. I just did the job of your planners for you. Make it happen. Lol.
It's a big stretch..... but..... we are 100% guaranteed and confirmed (just not officially) getting a DLC that opens up the island of Vvardenfell as a zone. We've known this since Thieves Guild launched.
Red Mountain is located at the center of Vvardenfell. That place is an absolute nightmare and is home to some unbelievably powerful creations and monsters.
It would make an absolutely perfect place for the next 12-man trial. Maw of Lorkhaj would be child's play compared to Red Mountain
Just my speculation that it would actually become a real trial though.
Don't you agree it'd make an awesome Trial?Edited by Vaoh on September 12, 2016 12:06AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
More lag with One Tamriel
But really I think a third Arena will come out eventually to give us more "Master" type weapons.
I honestly can see that happening. The weapons in question would effect the third skill or weapon trees or weapon ultimates, being as Master weapons deal with the first skill, and Maelstrom Weapoms deal with the second. And I'd be willing to bet it'd require 12 people, being as there is a solo and 4-man arena. Yes... I can see it now. And instead of granting increased spell/weapon damage, or crit or max resources? It'd increase regeneration. Bam! There you go ZOS. I just did the job of your planners for you. Make it happen. Lol.
It's a big stretch..... but..... we are 100% guaranteed and confirmed (just not officially) getting a DLC that opens up the island of Vvardenfell as a zone. We've known this since Thieves Guild launched.
Red Mountain is located at the center of Vvardenfell. That place is an absolute nightmare and is home to some unbelievably powerful creations and monsters.
It would make an absolutely perfect place for the next 12-man trial. Maw of Lorkhaj would be child's play compared to Red Mountain
Just my speculation that it would actually become a real trial though.
Don't you agree it'd make an awesome Trial?
Yup. Without a doubt. I can definitely picture Red Mountain having some crazy stuff going on in there. Maybe perhaps we'll finally face-off against the Iron Atronachs in there, and other monstrosities.0 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭You're thinking too much into, its for solo players period. Its not there to train u for what's coming, so your telling there going to put end game content that requires u do it by yourself using the same dreadful mechanics of the vma. I quit, I am good I will uninstall right now and never comeback. Why should I be punish if I am casual tamriel adventure.
Its the best weapon so it is for good players... like the ones able to finish VMA. If you are a casual player you don`t need the best weapons... and its a good way to reward players who put in the time and effort to do it.
It was also very nice of them to place it behind VMA, it could have been placed behind the hardest trial on the hardest difficulty and then 99% of the population would have no chance to get it. As it is now, with VMA anyone can get it at their convenience...
Are you also mad at your government for not giving you everything everyone else gets like medals and honors or rewards just because you exist? After all you are just a casual human why punish you by not rewarding you to the best of their ability?4 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »You are not Forced to do anything. We all have choices, just don't make the wrong ones
If I want to have high DPS to qualified for vet trials I more less have to obtain the Maelstrom weapon which requires me to completely alter my settings at the cost of me.
Don't tell me otherwise. Name me 1 person who completed a vet trial that does not use a Maelstrom weapon nor a masters (vDSA) weapon?
Can I personally craft a destruction staff that is equally powerful as this?
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Streak One.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7KRsu4XwZ8
All is said and shown here. 48,5k DPS without a Maelstrom Staff speaks for itself.
Yea but the people complaining they can`t do vma are not at the point where they understand much, so they complain...2 -
Soundwave✭✭✭You're thinking too much into, its for solo players period. Its not there to train u for what's coming, so your telling there going to put end game content that requires u do it by yourself using the same dreadful mechanics of the vma. I quit, I am good I will uninstall right now and never comeback. Why should I be punish if I am casual tamriel adventure.
Its the best weapon so it is for good players... like the ones able to finish VMA. If you are a casual player you don`t need the best weapons... and its a good way to reward players who put in the time and effort to do it.
It was also very nice of them to place it behind VMA, it could have been placed behind the hardest trial on the hardest difficulty and then 99% of the population would have no chance to get it. As it is now, with VMA anyone can get it at their convenience...
Are you also mad at your government for not giving you everything everyone else gets like medals and honors or rewards just because you exist? After all you are just a casual human why punish you by not rewarding you to the best of their ability?
Seriously did u compare what I said to the government. Honestly that was stupid thing comment I've ever read on here. Next time u have a question, plz raise your hand. I am done talking to u.1 -
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✭PurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
Well its not so in PVE i think is where people get a bit screwy. Gear is far more an issue there in end game. VMA weapons are a required item for DPS in Vtrials pretty much. When you combine it with nothing compares to it even in Trial drops or the hardest four man content in game. I think it leaves most folks scratching their head with terrible RNG and a poorly though out End game gear tiering0 -
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But I am a PVPer and hate PVe and I want my sharpened great sword and bow?I ran it 80+ times I just want to get back to PVP but can't.I play this game solo and we are the one's who truly get the short end of the stick because we play pvp and are forced to get undaunted and vma to be competitive. You in the other hand get to play pve and get help from others and pve has nowhere near the lag pvp has, not even close. I still managed to get vma 2h and bow weapons and grinded my undaunted with random pugs for a month straight. All with out coming here on the forums asking for a crutch.
All i hear is waah waaah i cant get muh vma weapons as easy even though im pve'r but when things get tough now pve is not fun. Cry me a river.
i like some of the pve content but some of it is just unnecessarily brutal. It took me 50 tries to get my vma weapons. I got lucky in getting my 2h on my 16th run but not so much for my bow. I got sharpened dagger and a precise dagger along the way which could be used for pve stuff. They should add a token system for those who have the patience and skill to beat it.
Come on how we supposed to know because of AOE caps we don't get killed when we get hit with AOe or stand in stupid so they don't know to block or walk out of the giant AOE.I will say I seen more PVP players with Stormproof than PVE playersPurifedBladez wrote: »You don't need a Maelstrom weapon to be successful.
People think that obtaining a magical stick will somehow make them more powerful because they saw a guy wielding a Maelstrom staff and he was OP.
Guess what?
The staff did not make him strong.
Beating vMA did.
Sometimes the journey IS more important than the goal.
If you still believe a magical powerful weapon will increase your damage output, simply log in to the PTS and see for yourself.
It's seriously blown out of proportion.
While I agree that there are alternatives, let's be real for a second. Maelstrom weapons are the best of the best. The damage I do with my sharpened Maelstrom Axe and sharpened Maelstrom Dagger is stupid. Throw in my Maelstrom Bow, and it's bananas. I was just talking to @Vaoh about this on PSN. The damage difference from going Maelstrom and regular is ridiculous. It honestly is.
So nerf em. If it's thats crazy then there is no excuse.
Talking primarily about the dw axe/dagger combo that every pve player would kill their mother over.
Well of course they are the best.
But as someone already mentioned, skill>gear.
A player with a Maelstrom weapon will have the upper hand when fighting an equally skilled player.
But simply getting a MA weapon won't make a scrub have the upper hand against a skilled player.
I am very grateful ZOS is not breaking under the pressure from newbies, and leave the vMA hard.
It is practically the ONLY place someone can hone their skills.
This right here. Earning Stormproof is a test for mastery of your class. No more, no less.
When ai grided up alts, I played them terribly. After 1-2 runs of vMA, I felt quick and back to normal. Strange but true.
I hope vMA is never nerfed.
I'm telling you, bruh. It's as though ZOS is training us for something. What, I have no idea. But definitely something.
Come on 80% of pvp players still stand in red circles.
LMAO! Hahahaha! You might be on to something. Whenever I run trials with people who PVP primarily, they always are the first to die. And 9x out of 10, they were standing in red circles.0 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Actually his comment really wasn't stupid your whole complaint in this thread started off because you believe having a token system in VMA is P2W,because you don't want to pay for the DLc and just want it given to you other players shouldn't have a reliable way at getting gear.His point is that you just want everything handed to you he right.Plus its a public forum he can say whatever he wants on here.Plus he OP he can have a opinion as you have yours.You're thinking too much into, its for solo players period. Its not there to train u for what's coming, so your telling there going to put end game content that requires u do it by yourself using the same dreadful mechanics of the vma. I quit, I am good I will uninstall right now and never comeback. Why should I be punish if I am casual tamriel adventure.
Its the best weapon so it is for good players... like the ones able to finish VMA. If you are a casual player you don`t need the best weapons... and its a good way to reward players who put in the time and effort to do it.
It was also very nice of them to place it behind VMA, it could have been placed behind the hardest trial on the hardest difficulty and then 99% of the population would have no chance to get it. As it is now, with VMA anyone can get it at their convenience...
Are you also mad at your government for not giving you everything everyone else gets like medals and honors or rewards just because you exist? After all you are just a casual human why punish you by not rewarding you to the best of their ability?
Seriously did u compare what I said to the government. Honestly that was stupid thing comment I've ever read on here. Next time u have a question, plz raise your hand. I am done talking to u.0 -
Xrucible✭✭✭I have completed all Craglorn Vet Trials and 2 of them in hard mode. I dont have MA weapons, I'm still on the last boss of VMA.I know all the mechanics and tricks, I just haven't had the motivation to do it. Maybe once my guild starts Vet MoL progression I might go in and complete the damn thing and farm for the staves..On a long break from ESO.0