Depends if they ever fix minor slayer on console

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

They will fix minor slayer on console at some point I'm hoping yeah...

Well the thing with Ilambris is that it procs off DoTs and direct damage attacks. So Liquid Lightning, Fire Blockade, Force Pulse, Lightning Staff attacks, Shooting Star will all proc this set so its fair to expect meteor showers every 10 seconds. I'm just thinking that the damage might be a little low...

Velidreth can crit for like 30k with Warhorn, Alkosh, Night Mother and Spell Power Cure. I've heard that it can consistently provide around 2.6k DPS, as opposed to Neri and Skoria who both peak at around 1.7k. As a Sorc I can't use Skoria because 3-4 DoTs just isn't enough, although I'd love to use it. Neri is okay on a Sorc and procs fairly often. About 2-3 times in a rotation.

Molag Kena is really near useless now with all the crazy cost increase, it's very very hard to keep a constant uptime and keep your magicka above 30% even with all the group buffs and Orbs. I think that we need a revamp of this set to make it usable again.

Anyway the cool thing about Ilambris is that the meteor showers can proc at the same time.

The bolded line.

Nearly every magicka dps is using 3-4 dots in PVE. So if that isn't enough, then it won't be enough for any class.

Nerien'eth is not very good in practice. Stuff dies or moves away from the Crystal Proc and even though it doesn't say anything about a cooldown, it has one.

Bad thing about Ilambris (if I am thinking of the right set, that the lightning/fire meteor, right?) is that because the devs are biased towards stam and despise the fact that some magicka players were actually using the lightning staff, they nerfed it to such an extent that you should not be using lightning staffs.

That's the way the devs like it though. If you play magicka, you;ve got to make sacrifices, equip bad weapons/gear, lose set bonuses and spellpower, just to make things work.

I think magicka sorcerers will have the most use for it, since they use plenty of shock and fire (if using inferno staff). For a sorc, procing it reliably should not be a big problem.

Guys I just asked for a Bloodspawn parse with Ilambris... Will it beat the 2k DPS threshold Neri and Skoria were stuck at?
I know magicka is in a bad spot right now but I still know for a fact that in my trial guild the group is more in need of a magicka DPS than of a stamina one.
I have a stam sorc and a stam DK that are trial ready whenever anyone calls for it, but most of the time I'm asked to hop onto my mage sorc or nightblade.
Nerien'eth is crap because of the 1 piece bonus so i don't like to use it. Skoria got a nice damage buff so I might try it on my nightblade or even my sorc (but like I said 3 DoTs ain't really a reliable way to proc it). Ilambris is a perfect set for sorcs though and getting both meteor showers every 8-10seconds sounds quite strong. Counting non-crits only each meteor shower does 1.5k damage, so my guess is that the DPS is going to be roughly 2k with 78.2% crit.
Now if thats the case then I'll definetly use it over the existing sets.
@Alcast would you mind testing this when EU characters get copied to the PTS? It would be really nice to see a proper DPS parse to actually judge this set.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Nerien'eth is not very good in practice. Stuff dies or moves away from the Crystal Proc and even though it doesn't say anything about a cooldown, it has one.

Bad thing about Ilambris (if I am thinking of the right set, that the lightning/fire meteor, right?) is that because the devs are biased towards stam and despise the fact that some magicka players were actually using the lightning staff, they nerfed it to such an extent that you should not be using lightning staffs.

That's the way the devs like it though. If you play magicka, you;ve got to make sacrifices, equip bad weapons/gear, lose set bonuses and spellpower, just to make things work.

I don't think lightning staves are worthless, although I really am hoping that they revert the changes. I always light attack weave so fire staff or lightning staff doesn't make much difference anyway. Plus if I get low on magicka I can still channel a heavy attack without losing too much dps. So I don't really feel like I'm making sacrifices with my gear set-up because well... Its pretty much perfect!
I do hope they fix some balance issues and buff magicka classes though...

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Guys I just asked for a Bloodspawn parse with Ilambris... Will it beat the 2k DPS threshold Neri and Skoria were stuck at?
I know magicka is in a bad spot right now but I still know for a fact that in my trial guild the group is more in need of a magicka DPS than of a stamina one.
I have a stam sorc and a stam DK that are trial ready whenever anyone calls for it, but most of the time I'm asked to hop onto my mage sorc or nightblade.
Nerien'eth is crap because of the 1 piece bonus so i don't like to use it. Skoria got a nice damage buff so I might try it on my nightblade or even my sorc (but like I said 3 DoTs ain't really a reliable way to proc it). Ilambris is a perfect set for sorcs though and getting both meteor showers every 8-10seconds sounds quite strong. Counting non-crits only each meteor shower does 1.5k damage, so my guess is that the DPS is going to be roughly 2k with 78.2% crit.
Now if thats the case then I'll definetly use it over the existing sets.
@Alcast would you mind testing this when EU characters get copied to the PTS? It would be really nice to see a proper DPS parse to actually judge this set.

I think, someone mentioned a stealth nerf for Skoria.
They increased the damage but increased the cooldown. Several people seemed to confirm this.

Dracane wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Guys I just asked for a Bloodspawn parse with Ilambris... Will it beat the 2k DPS threshold Neri and Skoria were stuck at?
I know magicka is in a bad spot right now but I still know for a fact that in my trial guild the group is more in need of a magicka DPS than of a stamina one.
I have a stam sorc and a stam DK that are trial ready whenever anyone calls for it, but most of the time I'm asked to hop onto my mage sorc or nightblade.
Nerien'eth is crap because of the 1 piece bonus so i don't like to use it. Skoria got a nice damage buff so I might try it on my nightblade or even my sorc (but like I said 3 DoTs ain't really a reliable way to proc it). Ilambris is a perfect set for sorcs though and getting both meteor showers every 8-10seconds sounds quite strong. Counting non-crits only each meteor shower does 1.5k damage, so my guess is that the DPS is going to be roughly 2k with 78.2% crit.
Now if thats the case then I'll definetly use it over the existing sets.
@Alcast would you mind testing this when EU characters get copied to the PTS? It would be really nice to see a proper DPS parse to actually judge this set.

I think, someone mentioned a stealth nerf for Skoria.
They increased the damage but increased the cooldown. Several people seemed to confirm this.

What is the cool down increased to on skoria?

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Guys I just asked for a Bloodspawn parse with Ilambris... Will it beat the 2k DPS threshold Neri and Skoria were stuck at?
I know magicka is in a bad spot right now but I still know for a fact that in my trial guild the group is more in need of a magicka DPS than of a stamina one.
I have a stam sorc and a stam DK that are trial ready whenever anyone calls for it, but most of the time I'm asked to hop onto my mage sorc or nightblade.
Nerien'eth is crap because of the 1 piece bonus so i don't like to use it. Skoria got a nice damage buff so I might try it on my nightblade or even my sorc (but like I said 3 DoTs ain't really a reliable way to proc it). Ilambris is a perfect set for sorcs though and getting both meteor showers every 8-10seconds sounds quite strong. Counting non-crits only each meteor shower does 1.5k damage, so my guess is that the DPS is going to be roughly 2k with 78.2% crit.
Now if thats the case then I'll definetly use it over the existing sets.
@Alcast would you mind testing this when EU characters get copied to the PTS? It would be really nice to see a proper DPS parse to actually judge this set.

I think, someone mentioned a stealth nerf for Skoria.
They increased the damage but increased the cooldown. Several people seemed to confirm this.

Cooldown always was 5 seconds so no its not nerfed its a straight up buff. 2% quicker procs and 3k more damage.

I am only repeating what others said
I don't know what the cooldown used to be and what it is now. But they say it was ninja increased.
But well

Carbonised wrote: »

It's not "blindly", considering that the damage is mediocre, it procs off 2 elements, meaning you must consistently apply both elements for DPS, and finally it's a tiny aoe, meaning enemies can easily move out of it.

So the Serpent will somehow decide to move out of the Ilambris AoE but will stay inside my Liquid Lightning? Or Maybe the Mage will do that? Or Rakkhat? The tank keeps the boss nice and still so no one will move out of the Ilambris AoE just like they don't move out of other ground placed AoEs.

A Sorc only does damage with these 2 elements so the proc rate is far from being an issue. Are Force Pulse, Shock Light Attacks, Liquid Lightning, Elemental Blockade, Shooting Star, Endless Fury and Boundless Storm not enough to proc this monster set? Really?

The damage is indeed mediocre, but considering there are 2 procs that can happen the damage is very substantial.

Its exactly what blindly supposing means.

Dracane wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Guys I just asked for a Bloodspawn parse with Ilambris... Will it beat the 2k DPS threshold Neri and Skoria were stuck at?
I know magicka is in a bad spot right now but I still know for a fact that in my trial guild the group is more in need of a magicka DPS than of a stamina one.
I have a stam sorc and a stam DK that are trial ready whenever anyone calls for it, but most of the time I'm asked to hop onto my mage sorc or nightblade.
Nerien'eth is crap because of the 1 piece bonus so i don't like to use it. Skoria got a nice damage buff so I might try it on my nightblade or even my sorc (but like I said 3 DoTs ain't really a reliable way to proc it). Ilambris is a perfect set for sorcs though and getting both meteor showers every 8-10seconds sounds quite strong. Counting non-crits only each meteor shower does 1.5k damage, so my guess is that the DPS is going to be roughly 2k with 78.2% crit.
Now if thats the case then I'll definetly use it over the existing sets.
@Alcast would you mind testing this when EU characters get copied to the PTS? It would be really nice to see a proper DPS parse to actually judge this set.

I think, someone mentioned a stealth nerf for Skoria.
They increased the damage but increased the cooldown. Several people seemed to confirm this.

Cooldown always was 5 seconds so no its not nerfed its a straight up buff. 2% quicker procs and 3k more damage.

I am only repeating what others said
I don't know what the cooldown used to be and what it is now. But they say it was ninja increased.
But well

Thats cool, but I'm afraid that its nonesense. Cooldown stayed the same

Now is someone ever going to test Ilambris or will everyone just keep blindly supposing that its s***? Lol

Sorry
But you are 100% sure, that it is still the same ? Have you tested it ?

Well @Asayre did mention that it had a 5 second cooldown a while ago. Now on the PTS screenshots that I've seen, the tooltip states that it has a 5 second cooldown. So I the only thing I can get from that is that the cooldown stayed the same I can't test anything at all, us console users don't get to test stuff...

Carbonised wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So the Serpent will somehow decide to move out of the Ilambris AoE but will stay inside my Liquid Lightning? Or Maybe the Mage will do that? Or Rakkhat? The tank keeps the boss nice and still so no one will move out of the Ilambris AoE just like they don't move out of other ground placed AoEs.

A Sorc only does damage with these 2 elements so the proc rate is far from being an issue. Are Force Pulse, Shock Light Attacks, Liquid Lightning, Elemental Blockade, Shooting Star, Endless Fury and Boundless Storm not enough to proc this monster set? Really?

The damage is indeed mediocre, but considering there are 2 procs that can happen the damage is very substantial.

Its exactly what blindly supposing means.

A little less aggressive mkay?

It's gonna be rubbish in pvp, yes, people move.
Even in pve, stuff moves all the time. The aoe is tiny compared to larger aoe's, so yes, it's going to be an issue, unles you pretend things like to stand still while you blow them up from afar.

And I am obviously not talking about sorcs. MagDKs find this useless, no idea about NBs but probably as well. Meaning it would only be (maybe) viable for a sorc. No need for that patronizing tone thank you.

Ya, sorry about that.

Well obviously its tiny compared to other AoEs but hey Liquid Lightning is only 1 meter larger. I think that it really shouldn't be a problem. Like Nerien'eth its not the range or the area of effect that's the problem (its the 1 piece bonus and the lowish damage).

Yeah its clearly only useful for sources, in fact I'll change the title of the thread just so people can see what I'm actually talking about.

For PvP nothing beats Engine Guardian on a sorcerer for open world in my opinion.

works only in melee range

In 10 second, considering the best proc event and first proc at 0 second :
Skoria : 2 proc for 18000 damage (single target) -> 1k8 max theoretic dps.
Grothdarr : one proc for 12000 damage -> 1K2 theoretic max dps.
Ilambris : 2 procs (one cut at 2 second for our 10 second consideration) for each, dealing 11700 damage each , so 23400 damage each 10 second -> 2k34 theoretic max dps.

Grothdarr does less overall damage than Skoria and Ilambris, but with a more reliable proc and a far better damage and area for aoe.
Ilambris does more overall damage than skoria, but with a more hazardous proc.
I can't do the proc calculation yet, but I think it can be interesting. And I would like to know if Grothdarr/Ilambris hit when it proc, or one second later (I know that Kra'gh hit 0,4 second later, and Stormfist 1 second later).

EDIT : confirmed that Grotharr/Ilamris first tick hit at proc, so 6 tick for each.