Imperial City festivity is a b (ust...

magnusthorek · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

You know, it's funny actually that you say this. While many may not like to admit it, a lot of what you said holds a lot of truth and weight of worth

I promised myself I would stay away of this topic, but I passed here just to congratulate you for being smart to the point of being able to see outside the box and understand my point.

One might think that ganking is a lifestyle. To me, and I believe that for so many others, it's cowardice, because prevents who don't give a damn to PvP to enjoy the PvE side of mixed contents, which doesn't happen in a reverse scenario.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Maybe they can get what they desire from the lockboxes they are so for on the other thread.

Now what does THIS have to do with lockboxes ... ???
I hope you realize you're invalidating all your arguments with stuff like that ?

desciviib14_ESO · September 2016

Rittings wrote: »

Having bought the game and content, I should be able to play it, I cannot actively stop someones game progression in PvE, why should PvP be different? Sure, have alliance wars, but perhaps incorporating a neutral alliance (can neither attack or be attacked) would suffice

This would be a good compromise as the Fighter's Guild and Mage's Guild specify that they are neutral in the wars taking place between alliances. There should be a way to join 1 of those 2 as an "alliance" to complete PVE material without being bothered by PVP aspects. Some things should remain rewards of PVP but PVE players shouldn't be locked out of content that has PVE elements specified.

KingMagaw · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Was is ever intended that district bosses are the exclusive prey of whoever tags them first ? And that we all have to step back to let this one solo "his" boss ? What does it have to do with the area being PvP ?

This has been happening me and my friend a lot. We 2 man the bosses for a massive telvar gain and finding more and more greedy randoms coming over when boss is under 30% or lower health and taptaptap to act a goat. I accept a lot of new players coming here for event after all, i whisper them and simply say, more people less telvar for us. Since they bring almost nothing to the table for my and my friend as we are self sufficient, they weigh us down in many aspects. Drawing agro of mobs, spawning more boss aoe, dying a load of times and end up me and my friend sometimes -5k Telvar per boss.

A wack of people just follow us around and we waste time in losing them, so we can play as a 2 man team. Problem is these randoms dont farm bosses, dont start them but if they see us successfully doing them they are straight over like flies around dirt, i have no respect for that game play.

As an EP to an EP, i cant stop him doing this, other than explaining he is acting a tool. Continue to bait me by acting above i will just log my DC alt and farm the goats following my mate.

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2016

Ugh, PvP'ers. Who gives a crap? Cant we just enjoy the dang game? It is only a game afterall

Helgi_Skotina · September 2016

Who cares about what farmers want? They are only there to be slaughtered.

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2016

Just join a zerg. Then no matter how crappy you are you can steamroll. Just like in a bugs life when the ants realise there's more ants than grasshoppers

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

It's so cute see PvP'ers arguing (or trying to) that other DLCs have nothing for them while PvE'ers argue (with good reason) that the PvP side of Imperial City kills the product.

PvP'ers don't realize that, basically, they're virtual homicidal. Yes, you're, shut up and accept it. They see a player and just because it's from a different color, they go and kill. Worse! They seem to not have a real life or they're just very rich to not do anything the whole day just to sit there at common entrances to gank players.

PvP'ers never consider the possibility of a casual player that's just following the story, hunting skyshards or even random achievements.

Say that other DLCs don't have anything for them is a filthy lie. If not for other DLCs they wouldn't have their PvP gear. Let's go to a more basic aspect: They wouldn't have cash to buy potions they use badly in their PvP battles (I doubt they would prefer those crap potions from Cyrodiil vendor for Alliance Pints instead of a tri-pot).

Fine, not every DLC has something for them but the only PvP DLC (so far) does have a PvE side that a PvE'er just can't complete. But the PvE side of the others DLCs not only doesn't interfere, but also help the PvP community, directly or not. For example, motif hunting! A LOT of PvE'rs wants them all, to collect or to be a dedicated crafter, but I've seen with my own eyes PvP'ers scalling down tough dungeons/trials to get easily things that honest players would sweat for.

What? You're so adept of PvP that you can't learn how to do things properly? What's the word very oftely thrown at our faces.... oh yeah, L2P instead of cheat. This is cheat and I don't *** care with your opinion.

This is not only unfair but also messes with market prices because the honest players can't put a higher price in something rare, because tons of PvP'ers (although they don't admit) filled the Guild Stores with then cheap (relatively speaking).

We pay 100% of a product to use just 50% (barely). And just when the sales are getting low, the company gives a big discount that doesn't solve a *** and even paying less, we still can use half of the product (barely).

And now an addicted PvP might quote me on that saying they paid 100% for all mostly PvE content they're not fully enjoying... Well, when (and if) you bought a PvE DLC, you were aware it wouldn't be PvP-focused. I don't know the others, but I was hoodwinked. I didn't find information saying "hey, moron! you may not be able to enjoy the PvE side of this *** at all".

If you feel you're not enjoying a PvE DLC that you knew it wouldn't have PvP content, it's because YOU don't want, differently of us that really wanted to follow the questline, read the story and feel the PvE side of the DLC and we just can't.

I don't know how things are in USA, but in my country, a rascal lawyer could stuff a judicial process in ZOS' throat.

You know, it's funny actually that you say this. While many may not like to admit it, a lot of what you said holds a lot of truth and weight of worth.

I've seen many times while riding by someone fishing, only for a Nightblade to ambush and kill them. And they were just a Lv.14 or something; minding their business. Naturally a defense for this type of behavior would be, "Go to a more empty campaign to fish." or "What did you expect, you're in a PVP zone. Expect to be attacked at any given moment." But, is that really a solid defense for that type of maniacal bahvior? Is it really...? Just for a few hundred or maybe 1k AP, do you feel as a PVP'er cool that you "ganked" a low-leveled player who was just out fishing? And not just fishing, but maybe just questing and gathering crafting materials.

Would I farm in Cyrodiil? No. But still, some people choose to do so. And they clearly aren't out and about bothering anyone, so why go and mess with them for? Why not let the people go fish and farm materials in peace? Oh right, because it's a "PVP Zone". Meaning anything of an opposite faction is a kill-on-sight, unless they're a guild buddy or someone you're trading emperor with. =\

Yeah it is a PvP zone, that is why I PvP there. If I see an enemy player, I will most likely kill him, unless I'm trying to do something else at the moment. If you are farming or fishing in Cyrodiil and I find you, I'll try to kill you. I don't really care if you are a lv 14 or a Grand Warlord.

I don't feel "cool" and I get no sick pleasure from ruining peoples day, but it is a PvP zone and I will kill enemy players.

Last night I went ganking in IC. I killed some yellows who were obviously just farming Tel Vars. I have nothing against them, and I didn't hang around to grief them, but I got a little over 10k Tel Vars for about 10 minutes of work. Maybe it is just me, but this seems to have been the intention of the devs when IC was released. PvErs farm mobs for Tel Vars and PvPers farm PvErs for their share of those Tel Vars.

Why does everyone need to make it so personal? If I kill you in IC or Cyrodiil, it is nothing personal. I'm simply PvPing and playing the game how I think it ought to be played. I have no wish to grief people, but it seems silly to me to come to a PvP zone and be upset about PvP.

Bobby_V_Rockit · September 2016

Fair point actually. i'm a PvE'er, but I've killed a few enemy players who've been trying to gank me.

Its just a bit of culture shock I think, moving from PvE to PvP, especially when there an incentive like the skin or scamp involved, might be a bit different if you could progress slowly to get used to it, but the IC event threw first timers in with hardcore Veteran PvP'ers. What did they expect to happen? People gonna get ***. I didnt end up getting the skin, but I did improve my play style over the week and explore new areas, so I'm happy with it.

Khenarthi · September 2016

I had the skin and scamp already from IC's early days where Molag random groups were forming at all hours, and went back in this occasion to get enough Tel Var for the polymorphs.
I ran with random people in the sewers, with random people in the districts, with guildies, and by myself - and had fun, even as a carebear solo pve player. Possibly because I chose to take it lightly and ignore nasty people.

Now though... reading this thread, with people treating players like me as if we were cattle, I do feel a bit sad - for them, for failing to see the humanity in others. It's fine to be ganked and bombed, some player killers are courteous and admit it's nothing personal (see above comment from @Typhoios ). It's ok to be killed in a pvp zone, really.

Some people are just beyond toxic though - those, I ignore as if they were a pesky boss I'd rather not aggro.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

Khenarthi wrote: »

I had the skin and scamp already from IC's early days where Molag random groups were forming at all hours, and went back in this occasion to get enough Tel Var for the polymorphs.
I ran with random people in the sewers, with random people in the districts, with guildies, and by myself - and had fun, even as a carebear solo pve player. Possibly because I chose to take it lightly and ignore nasty people.

Now though... reading this thread, with people treating players like me as if we were cattle, I do feel a bit sad - for them, for failing to see the humanity in others. It's fine to be ganked and bombed, some player killers are courteous and admit it's nothing personal (see above comment from @Typhoios ). It's ok to be killed in a pvp zone, really.

Some people are just beyond toxic though - those, I ignore as if they were a pesky boss I'd rather not aggro.

Very well said. Very well said indeed.

vamp_emily · September 2016

I don't think it was a bust. I was down in IC all week . I bought 5 pieces of blackrose armor, and traded my stones in for mats. I got enough mats to craft cp160 gear for me and my friend. I also got so many trophies, I think I am going to wait til after the next ESO update to open the vaults. I even got the skin during the event, but no scamp

Mortehl · September 2016

See the humanity? Lol it's not personal. It's not like pvp players identify pve players and single them out. I play AD. If I see a blue or red player, I don't care what they're doing. I kill them. Then I kill them some more. Then they come back with friends whom I then kill. It's not personal. Its a pvp combat zone and anyone who doesn't understand that simple concept either has no place entering one or had the beating coming to them.

Mortehl · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

I had the skin and scamp already from IC's early days where Molag random groups were forming at all hours, and went back in this occasion to get enough Tel Var for the polymorphs.
I ran with random people in the sewers, with random people in the districts, with guildies, and by myself - and had fun, even as a carebear solo pve player. Possibly because I chose to take it lightly and ignore nasty people.

Now though... reading this thread, with people treating players like me as if we were cattle, I do feel a bit sad - for them, for failing to see the humanity in others. It's fine to be ganked and bombed, some player killers are courteous and admit it's nothing personal (see above comment from @Typhoios ). It's ok to be killed in a pvp zone, really.

Some people are just beyond toxic though - those, I ignore as if they were a pesky boss I'd rather not aggro.

Very well said. Very well said indeed.

No Champ. Not very well said at all. It's a pvp zone. Pvp happens in pvp zones. It's not personal. It's not about humanity. It's about the one zone and one DLC where pvp is enabled. That's all. I'm really sorry that you object to having to pvp, but you could always just not pvp? No enemy is more cunning than another player. As much as I enjoy trials and you know I do, I enjoy testing myself against other players. I also farm the crappy ones the same way you farmed the normal trials for your gear. Because you pve guy are crunchy and go well with ketchup.

Asardes · September 2016

When there's so much rubedite/ancestor silk/ruby ash and especially rubedo leather to be had from simply deconstructing junk items that drop from mobs paying Tel Vars for mats is a bit of a waste. From what I know they are 100 per unit. Even if you get 100 tel vars from a mob it still doesn't cut it. CP150-160 materials go for about 50-60 gold per unit on guild stores. Even assuming 1:1 correspondence (in fact it's closer to 1.5:1) spending Tel Vars for mats is still wasteful.

KingMagaw · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

You can label it entitlement but me/my team isnt being weighed down by gimp players. Frankly i am not here to help you. I explain this to anyone who comes by and it is accepted by many. Problem is there are gimp players who specifically follow to try and infringe on my telvar gain.

Continuation down this path of being a greedy gimp, i will just relog my other toon and farm them out of IC.

1 - I don't care about you and your team. There's a design in this game, you can't tweak it to suit your personal needs.
2 - I know you're not the helping kind anyway.
3 - These players are kind (unlike you). You don't deserve it.
4 - I sure wish most players, after you've displayed such an attitude, will make a point in following you everywhere and tagging all your mobs.
5 - Ohhhh... I'm scaaaaared... catch me if you can.

1- I don't care either, i farm and kill anyone in my way, apart from a select few who are better that i see.
[SNIP]
3- Thanks for the assumption. I do deserve it and i regularly get 'it'.
4- Follow me around, i farm the bosses then farm you np.

Just my perspective though, always get leechers no matter where ))

clayandaudrey_ESO · September 2016

Wasted my time typing this.

luen79rwb17_ESO · September 2016

Well, event is over and I didn't get the damn skin...

Now I'm certain that I won't even bother with Molag Bal ever again. BS drop rate.

ZOS_PeterT · September 2016

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Magic_Doogies · September 2016

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Is it really that bad?

Not really. Its the same as it always was. You get thanked in the districts or the sewers. Or you are the ganker.

The only change is the band of 3-12 people trying to take flag. Which usually means you have less to worry about because you know they are concentrated there anyway.

True *** happened in the center of Molag Bal. But the sewers themselves were surprisingly quiet.

clayandaudrey_ESO · September 2016

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

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Insulting other users and flaming arguments are not allowed on our forums.

Please keep all future discussion constructive.

But you left a lot of flaming and insulting stuff still in here @ZOS_PeterT

Splattercat_83 · September 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

This is what happens when PvE players attend a PvP event, the 1st in 2.5 years I may add. Many tears, such sorrow.

Hey now, I pve, but I pvp just as much

! What astonished me was I could be behind some one and they not know I was there. Guess they were playing in first person, our had the zoom in real close. It was nice lol

Vangy · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

I am avoiding Imperial City like the plague this week, though. I want to still enjoy it next week, so that means not doing it right now.

You're damn right, and I should have done the same.

I was looking forward to this event and I first thought "wow, this is how IC has always been meant to be played" : small groups, hide-and-seek tactics, gankers on top. Giant zerg chaos in the center underground.

Unfortunately, that did not last long.
- PvPers organizing DUELS !! In there, this week !! With their "personal bodyguards" killing anyone else on sight (poor souls just wanted to help their same-colour-buddy"...). Guys, you have ALL OF CYRO for duelling. GTFO of IC with it. And killing people who just join the fight to help is not fair.
- New form of entitlement regarding district bosses. They drop A LOT of stones, people don't want to share stones, so they want to solo those bosses. If you dare to even cast a mutagen near them, you'll be drowned in insults and accused of leeching. Guys, you know those are group bosses, right ? And you also know they are not "your own private mobs", right ? (If that happens to you, make sure you stick to the guy at all times for the next two hours, tagging all mobs along with him. Depending on your taste, you might or might not put him on ignore beforehand). This is a MMO, these are group mobs meant to be attacked in group.
- Too big groups on Molag Bal, which attract the zergbombers (that's fair), and dilute the loot. Staying there for two hours for looting once is not fun.

I'll wait for next week to go back there, in the hope to find again the usual "IC morning atmosphere" : nice PvE + random 1v1 PvP where anything can happen, and where your opponent might be of any level.

But I've lost most if not all respect for PvPers, probably forever. When I compare what I experienced in IC these past few days, with the nice, extremely organized and friendly cooperation that happens every single day for world bosses in Worthgar or Gold Coast, this is just night and day.

Im kinda confused. I can understand most of your concerns. I just have trouble connecting that one sentence out of all your complaints to the last paragraph (both bolded).

90% of your complaints about people not wanting to share bosses, not wanting to form big groups for farming centre etc etc are all related to PVE groups. You wont find any PvP'er forming groups to farm centre or solo-ing bosses while insulting people who come to kill boss. Most PvP-ers resent doing any kind of PvE and cry a river of tears for just needing to farm pledges for helms (which was why abu-dabhi whatshername was added to cyro). We aint going to voluntarily farm PvE stuff lol.

As for the duellers killing any1 who tried to interfere, I dont see how that pisses any1 off. That's basically PvP. Kill or be killed. The fact that someone got killed for reason X or Y dosent really matter. Them duelling there dosent really affect any1 as long as you dont try to pick a losing fight with them. If you wanaa kill incosiderate duellers fighting right outside spawn points or doors go right ahead and steam roll them. One would think IC is meant just for that, small scale and duels etc. Arena/memorial has been largely popular with lots of duellers since the dawn of IC cos of short travel time. In cyro you need a group and then need to ride 5 mins to some off the beaten path and even then, pray hard that some zerg dosent come steam roll the whole group and force every1 to ride another 5 mins to the event......

As for friendly co-operation for world bosses in wrothgar, its all hold-hands-sing-kumbayah cos all any1 cares about is the quest reward box. Remove that and try imposing a rule like --> chance for v16 loot is x/ (no of players in group) which is essentially similar to how tel-var pay out is like. The bigger the group, the less stuff you get. Then lets see how long your friendly co-operation lasts. You will have 2000 bots camping the boss and people fighting tooth and nail to kill bosses before any1 comes to tag boss. This already happens in delve farming and old orsinium leather farming. You are cherry picking what you want to see and ignore.

To reiterate, you went from typing out 1 complaint about PvP-ers to your last sentence of losing all respect for PvP-ers. However, 90% of your comments pertain to PvE players and groups doing PvE content....

ZombieZig · September 2016

Dear Zenimax,

I've casually participated in Molag kills since IC's release. Always wanting the skin, over the course of this event i spent a whopping 16 hrs a day on true Flame as my Nightblade and Templar. During this time i have killed Molag Bal many many times~ 300+. I've had to organize my personal matters to attend this grind, I have had to create and lead numerous groups. I've fought countless enemies. High stress, headaches, sore wrists...

Nothing. Its now 2 am on a work weekday and i have to call it quits. I am so disappointed in who? Me? Bloody hell i did everything i could and more. You Zenimax on the other hand need to figure this out. Its simply NOT fair. I have received 30 something scamps and not once the skin. I've seen people get it on their first try. I've seen people get it in 10-20 kills. Great, glad for them. Your system fails and now Im sore and broken and JOYLESS. Do you not understand the results of your RNG looting system? Have i mentioned 300+ kills? It could be very well 500 i stopped counting bc i heard you get the skin when you loose all will and hope to live.

Utter BS

Vangy · September 2016

PVE

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Was is ever intended that district bosses are the exclusive prey of whoever tags them first ? And that we all have to step back to let this one solo "his" boss ? What does it have to do with the area being PvP ?

This has been happening me and my friend a lot. We 2 man the bosses for a massive telvar gain and finding more and more greedy randoms coming over when boss is under 30% or lower health and taptaptap to act a goat. I accept a lot of new players coming here for event after all, i whisper them and simply say, more people less telvar for us. Since they bring almost nothing to the table for my and my friend as we are self sufficient, they weigh us down in many aspects. Drawing agro of mobs, spawning more boss aoe, dying a load of times and end up me and my friend sometimes -5k Telvar per boss.

A wack of people just follow us around and we waste time in losing them, so we can play as a 2 man team. Problem is these randoms dont farm bosses, dont start them but if they see us successfully doing them they are straight over like flies around dirt, i have no respect for that game play.

As an EP to an EP, i cant stop him doing this, other than explaining he is acting a tool. Continue to bait me by acting above i will just log my DC alt and farm the goats following my mate.

Well, the truth is, you have no right over that mob, and those people aren't behaving like fools, they're behaving like normal players and play the game as intended. They probably even genuinely think they're helping you. If you want to solo or duo those bosses for max tel var, fine, sometimes you'll get lucky and noone else will be there, sometimes other people will turn up and you'll get less stones. That's how it is, and it's not other people's fault.

Your level of entitlement is unbelievable.

2 PvE-ers arguing about PvE..... PvP players get blamed...... *throws hands up*

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Vangy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- PvPers organizing DUELS !! In there, this week !! With their "personal bodyguards" killing anyone else on sight (poor souls just wanted to help their same-colour-buddy"...). Guys, you have ALL OF CYRO for duelling. GTFO of IC with it. And killing people who just join the fight to help is not fair.
- New form of entitlement regarding district bosses. They drop A LOT of stones, people don't want to share stones, so they want to solo those bosses. If you dare to even cast a mutagen near them, you'll be drowned in insults and accused of leeching. Guys, you know those are group bosses, right ? And you also know they are not "your own private mobs", right ? (If that happens to you, make sure you stick to the guy at all times for the next two hours, tagging all mobs along with him. Depending on your taste, you might or might not put him on ignore beforehand). This is a MMO, these are group mobs meant to be attacked in group.
- Too big groups on Molag Bal, which attract the zergbombers (that's fair), and dilute the loot. Staying there for two hours for looting once is not fun.

I'll wait for next week to go back there, in the hope to find again the usual "IC morning atmosphere" : nice PvE + random 1v1 PvP where anything can happen, and where your opponent might be of any level.

But I've lost most if not all respect for PvPers, probably forever. When I compare what I experienced in IC these past few days, with the nice, extremely organized and friendly cooperation that happens every single day for world bosses in Worthgar or Gold Coast, this is just night and day.

Im kinda confused. I can understand most of your concerns. I just have trouble connecting that one sentence out of all your complaints to the last paragraph (both bolded).

OK, I'll try and explain more clearly.

Situation 1
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a district boss, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help him. The boss dies, and immediately I receive tells (whispers are off so people have to use tells) saying "get the f*** out of my way you filthy PvE carebear, stop leeching my tel var stones you're disgusting".

Situation2
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a red, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help. The blue stops fighting the red, another red hidden nearby jumps in too and the two reds kill me quickly. Once I'm dead, first red and blue resume their fighting and second red goes back to the shadows. I stay there dead for a while to watch, only to witness every other blue coming along get slaughtered the same way I was, just for wanting to help. Also worth mentioning that it happened right at the entrance of the blue exit of the sewers.

Both situations occurred repeatedly since IC revived due to the event, and none of these conform to the actual game design. None of these have anything to do with "that's a PvP zone, if you don't like it don't enter". But both situations are organized by PvPers. Thus my disrespect and disgust. I don't mind being killed, I don't mind being ganked, but I do mind these behaviours.

(The Molag Bal zerging is yet another reason for avoiding IC this week, but I agree it has nothing to do with PvPers, rather the opposite).

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Vangy wrote: »

2 PvE-ers arguing about PvE..... PvP players get blamed...... *throws hands up*

Would a PvEer call me "filthy PvE carebear ?" nope. THose were PvPers and claimed it loud.

also this :

As an EP to an EP, i cant stop him doing this, other than explaining he is acting a tool. Continue to bait me by acting above i will just log my DC alt and farm the goats following my mate.

The argument of a PvEer ? Nope.

Vangy · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- PvPers organizing DUELS !! In there, this week !! With their "personal bodyguards" killing anyone else on sight (poor souls just wanted to help their same-colour-buddy"...). Guys, you have ALL OF CYRO for duelling. GTFO of IC with it. And killing people who just join the fight to help is not fair.
- New form of entitlement regarding district bosses. They drop A LOT of stones, people don't want to share stones, so they want to solo those bosses. If you dare to even cast a mutagen near them, you'll be drowned in insults and accused of leeching. Guys, you know those are group bosses, right ? And you also know they are not "your own private mobs", right ? (If that happens to you, make sure you stick to the guy at all times for the next two hours, tagging all mobs along with him. Depending on your taste, you might or might not put him on ignore beforehand). This is a MMO, these are group mobs meant to be attacked in group.
- Too big groups on Molag Bal, which attract the zergbombers (that's fair), and dilute the loot. Staying there for two hours for looting once is not fun.

I'll wait for next week to go back there, in the hope to find again the usual "IC morning atmosphere" : nice PvE + random 1v1 PvP where anything can happen, and where your opponent might be of any level.

But I've lost most if not all respect for PvPers, probably forever. When I compare what I experienced in IC these past few days, with the nice, extremely organized and friendly cooperation that happens every single day for world bosses in Worthgar or Gold Coast, this is just night and day.

Im kinda confused. I can understand most of your concerns. I just have trouble connecting that one sentence out of all your complaints to the last paragraph (both bolded).

OK, I'll try and explain more clearly.

Situation 1
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a district boss, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help him. The boss dies, and immediately I receive tells (whispers are off so people have to use tells) saying "get the f*** out of my way you filthy PvE carebear, stop leeching my tel var stones you're disgusting".

Situation2
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a red, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help. The blue stops fighting the red, another red hidden nearby jumps in too and the two reds kill me quickly. Once I'm dead, first red and blue resume their fighting and second red goes back to the shadows. I stay there dead for a while to watch, only to witness every other blue coming along get slaughtered the same way I was, just for wanting to help. Also worth mentioning that it happened right at the entrance of the blue exit of the sewers.

Both situations occurred repeatedly since IC revived due to the event, and none of these conform to the actual game design. None of these have anything to do with "that's a PvP zone, if you don't like it don't enter". But both situations are organized by PvPers. Thus my disrespect and disgust. I don't mind being killed, I don't mind being ganked, but I do mind these behaviours.

(The Molag Bal zerging is yet another reason for avoiding IC this week, but I agree it has nothing to do with PvPers, rather the opposite).

Ah that's a little clearer... For the first situation, it could have very well been a PvE-er who just wanted to tick you off. Most PvP-ers including myself have no love for doing boss-farms.

As for situation two, most of us try to avoid high traffic areas like doors or entrances etc. Those guys were being pricks. You run into more pricks often in IC cos every1 is forced into a small zone therby making probability of encountering trolls higher. Call a few people in zone chat and go steam roll them. They will quickly learn their lesson to avoid trying to duel when near entrances and exits lol. The most common PvP duel areas are arena and memorial. Most of the time its blatantly obvious with multiple color players standing around in a group.

Also... I have no idea what the diff is between whisper and tell LOL =X Like i know I use /w @_____ to whisper someone and text is light blue.. Is a tell the same thing?

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Ah that's a little clearer... For the first situation, it could have very well been a PvE-er who just wanted to tick you off. Most PvP-ers including myself have no love for doing boss-farms.

As for situation two, most of us try to avoid high traffic areas like doors or entrances etc. Those guys were being pricks. You run into more pricks often in IC cos every1 is forced into a small zone therby making probability of encountering trolls higher. Call a few people in zone chat and go steam roll them. They will quickly learn their lesson to avoid trying to duel when near entrances and exits lol. The most common PvP duel areas are arena and memorial. Most of the time its blatantly obvious with multiple color players standing around in a group.

Yeah usually people duelling make it so that it is easy to recognize, and if it isn't and you accidentally interfere, there are fair ways to make people understand the situation. You don't have to slaughter them.

I think those bad behaviours were induced by the event. Even for people who are usually not into boss farming, Tel Var x2xdistrict bonus makes for an awful lot of Tel Var... Hence my hope that IC will be an enjoyable place again once the event is over.

Vangy wrote: »

Also... I have no idea what the diff is between whisper and tell LOL =X Like i know I use /w @_____ to whisper someone and text is light blue.. Is a tell the same thing?

Whisper (/w) doesn't work when the person you're whispering to is set as "offline" (which I'm ALWAYS when I PvP, purposedly to NOT get whispers - and also for PvPing solo as I like it, without guild mates asking to join and group up, and ultimately zerging).
So if you want to talk to someone who's set as "offline" you have to use "tell", it appears white, and displays to all players in the close area - not sure how far away, but definitely not zonewide.

greylox · September 2016

Got the scamp but going back to cyrodiil and imp city really reinforced my feelings on why I gave up PvP pretty much. Why can't there at least be a teleporter to the sewers?

Pve only cyrodiil would be good but then the pvpers wouldn't have an easy time killing players that don't want to PvP. I mean, surely pvpers want competition and pve ers want to be left to quest in peace, works well for both.