Ability Cost Increase...

hrothbern · September 2016

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Duckbutta wrote: »

GreatWhite000 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

The cost increase is too sever, even people with lich and 4K regen can't keep resources up at times. I can't even imagine doing vMA on a magplar now.

I can't imagine doing it on a magplar last patch or the current live patch. That class has 0 resource management.

I hate to be the guy who says this because it's not entirely useful criticism, but. . . git gud. Plenty of people farm vMA on magplar - keep rune focus up and mix in some HA, you too can sustain resources. If you can't go full burst build, wear some seducer, pick up atro stone, do what you gotta do.

So much ignorance in your statement. I'm speaking from trying to obtain the best end game vMA score, not farm stupid loot. Actual players who play magplar will tell you that magicka sustain in vMA is atrocious on live already and this update will just make it so many of the scores now aren't seen because people have to drop damage for sustain.

Sorry for my ignorance

Do we get another decrease of our resource recoveries with One Tamriel ???

Or is this discussion still based on the (necro) post regarding the resource recovery decreases of the Hist DLC ?

No there is something up on pts. Myself and many I play with have all expressed feeling it. Resources through regen or cost increases has changed intended or unintended and it's a problem.

ok
There was nothing mentioned in the patch notes.
My characters are not yet copied (PC EU), so cannot really see for myself, but I will do some base value checks with new characters.

themdogesbite · September 2016

The dissapointment when people realise that people will just build for even more burst then whats already present.

Personofsecrets · September 2016

can any1 check block cost please?

Chrlynsch · September 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

The dissapointment when people realise that people will just build for even more burst then whats already present.

The disappointment when people realize this thread was from April, and should cool it before the sky falls.

hrothbern · September 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

can any1 check block cost please?

base cost in PTS is still 2160 per hit

hrothbern · September 2016

I checked some values on PTS

What I see is that the base recoveries and the base ability costs are the same for many Mag and Sta abilities...

except the Fighter guild abilities where the costs have been increased with roughly 25%.
Not only the Ultimate, but also the 4 normal abilities.

Soris · September 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Well, on CP iit was much needed. But on Azura noone will use new sets and still will stick to old sustain sets like Amberplasm otherwise they will run out of resources = instawipe.

What?? No.
My heal already costs 3.5k with 5 heavy 2 lights and 80 points into magician

Eas007 · September 2016

Hope this isn't intened. Class balance wise templars already have way more resource problems then other classes. Race balance wise this would push even more towards sustain races. No more imperial magplars eg.

Doctordarkspawn · September 2016

Eas007 wrote: »

Hope this isn't intened. Class balance wise templars already have way more resource problems then other classes. Race balance wise this would push even more towards sustain races. No more imperial magplars eg.

As a Khajiit magplar tank, I can tell you the opposite actually happened. I got far more out of my cost reduction and used alot less magicka than is normal. If anything I think this is just confirmation on what we allready know, it's now no longer possible to skirt the line between sustain and damage. Gonna have to give up some damage. And that's okay.

I actually saw a 200 damage -increase- on adverage, so, it might not actually -be- a loss.

WreckfulAbandon · September 2016

So is my sustain going to go down every patch now because of the insane power creep ZOS continues to implement??

Doctordarkspawn · September 2016

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

So is my sustain going to go down every patch now because of the insane power creep ZOS continues to implement??

S'not even powercreep. I'd say it's intentional design. Their trying to break the stack and burn thing through sheer scaling.

Aletheion · September 2016

Oh snap.. necro thread.. my bad... ignore that

We had a 5+% resource cost increase in I think it was 2.4. Now another 5%? That would be unfortunate.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262181/5-7-resource-cost-increase-for-all-my-skills

-Aletheion

Hiero_Glyph · September 2016

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Duckbutta wrote: »

GreatWhite000 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

The cost increase is too sever, even people with lich and 4K regen can't keep resources up at times. I can't even imagine doing vMA on a magplar now.

I can't imagine doing it on a magplar last patch or the current live patch. That class has 0 resource management.

I hate to be the guy who says this because it's not entirely useful criticism, but. . . git gud. Plenty of people farm vMA on magplar - keep rune focus up and mix in some HA, you too can sustain resources. If you can't go full burst build, wear some seducer, pick up atro stone, do what you gotta do.

So much ignorance in your statement. I'm speaking from trying to obtain the best end game vMA score, not farm stupid loot. Actual players who play magplar will tell you that magicka sustain in vMA is atrocious on live already and this update will just make it so many of the scores now aren't seen because people have to drop damage for sustain.

Sorry for my ignorance

Do we get another decrease of our resource recoveries with One Tamriel ???

Or is this discussion still based on the (necro) post regarding the resource recovery decreases of the Hist DLC ?

No there is something up on pts. Myself and many I play with have all expressed feeling it. Resources through regen or cost increases has changed intended or unintended and it's a problem.

^This. Many PvP streamers are running low on resources while using their current live builds. There was nothing in the 2.6 patch notes to explain this discrepancy.

Aletheion · September 2016

Wait.. so have resources costs gone up again or is this OP from April just confusing people?

-Aletheion

Teridaxus · September 2016

...does someone else expect that everytime they increase the cp cap, ability costs increases too by now?

Asgari · September 2016

Aletheion wrote: »

Wait.. so have resources costs gone up again or is this OP from April just confusing people?

-Aletheion

There is in fact something different than live. I haven't had time to fully test if regen isn't happening as it should or something with skill cost. But I can tell you that myself and others have all discussed an obvious difference in how our main fighting resource has changed on pts compared to live.

hrothbern · September 2016

Well @Aletheion , @mzapkeneb18_ESO ,

I checked out 20 abilities, both Magicka as Stamina, that had exactly the same costs in live as PTS
Base Recoveries are the same. Recoveries on the sets are the same.

The only difference I saw between live an PTS were the Fighters Guild abilities, that were all increased with 25%. In the patch notes only the Ultimate was mentioned.
So somebody using Trap Beast all the time will feel the difference.

EDIT:
big smile
The fear for increases, and ventilating opinions about that, is apparently stronger than checking facts

(looking at all the opinion posts without anything that substantiates anything)

and perhaps there is a bug

Hiero_Glyph · September 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

...does someone else expect that everytime they increase the cp cap, ability costs increases too by now?

This seems to be a likely cause of the new sustain issues. Eventually the increased costs will outpace the sustain since you will cap out the associated CP.

Dagoth_Rac · September 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

The only difference I saw between live an PTS were the Fighters Guild abilities, that were all increased with 25%. In the patch notes only the Ultimate was mentioned.
So somebody using Trap Beast all the time will feel the difference.

Are you on a template character? Did you put a skill point in Intimidating Presence? That lowers costs of Fighters Guild skills.

NoRagret · September 2016

Working as intended just like the 6 month old bug that reduces global movement speed by 25%. People shouldnt bother pointing out bugs anymore.

hrothbern · September 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

The only difference I saw between live an PTS were the Fighters Guild abilities, that were all increased with 25%. In the patch notes only the Ultimate was mentioned.
So somebody using Trap Beast all the time will feel the difference.

Are you on a template character? Did you put a skill point in Intimidating Presence? That lowers costs of Fighters Guild skills.

my bad !
forgot to activate the passive on my template, thatr reduces Stamina cost.
UI tooltip cost are then like the other abilities I tested exactly the same !

thanks @Dagoth_Rac

soll · September 2016

well, first they reduced resources regen and now they increasing the cost of abilities.

I agree, that before (both of it) it was possible to have infinite res, and I don't struggle atm with it. we'll see, how it's going to be after patch.

I like to play in no-cp pvp, and I got a feeling that now it's going to be hard there