5.7% Resource Cost Increase For All My Skills

Aletheion

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

susmitds

Aletheion wrote: »

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

It did say everything will cost more though.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

susmitds wrote: »

Aletheion wrote: »

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

It did say everything will cost more though.

Where? Its says:

Abilities no longer increase their cost by 1% per Veteran Rank, but will now increase at their normal rate for every 10 Champion points, up to a cap of 160.

Most abilities will cost about the same, but cost reduction abilities should return more predictable results.
Core mechanics (sprint, dodge, block, CC break) will now be slightly more expensive.

6% more on every tested skill is hardly "about the same".

MaxwellC

Yup my cost increased for Igneous shield by 400 and I'm a stamina DK so GG ZOS

Aletheion

susmitds wrote: »

It did say everything will cost more though.

What I'm reading is it saying:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Abilities no longer increase their cost by 1% per Veteran Rank, but will now increase at their normal rate for every 10 Champion points, up to a cap of 160.

• Most abilities will cost about the same, but cost reduction abilities should return more predictable results.
• Core mechanics (sprint, dodge, block, CC break) will now be slightly more expensive.

That doesn't sound like every skill should cost 5%+ more.

-Aletheion

Reorx_Holybeard

Aletheion wrote: »

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

I noticed this too. With maxed Magician/Warlord everything costs around 5% more, but with 0% cost reduction things cost a whopping 16% more! This hurts hybrid builds like my stamina DK tank who uses a lot of magicka spells more so than dedicated magicka/stamina builds. 5% doesn't sound like much but it is relatively quite a bit.

This is all due to the change from VR to CP. They removed the old spell cost formula which was 1% increase from VR1-16 and changed it to the same linear rate used from levels 1-50. This results in the same costs from 1-50 but increased costs for CP10-160, increasing as you approach CP160.

I'd be interested to know if the Azura no-CP campaign uses the Level 50 0CP spell cost or the 160CP spell cost. Ideally it should use the former but unfortunately there is no Azura campaign on PTS to test things.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Aletheion wrote: »

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

I noticed this too. With maxed Magician/Warlord everything costs around 5% more, but with 0% cost reduction things cost a whopping 16% more! This hurts hybrid builds like my stamina DK tank who uses a lot of magicka spells more so than dedicated magicka/stamina builds. 5% doesn't sound like much but it is relatively quite a bit.

This is all due to the change from VR to CP. They removed the old spell cost formula which was 1% increase from VR1-16 and changed it to the same linear rate used from levels 1-50. This results in the same costs from 1-50 but increased costs for CP10-160, increasing as you approach CP160.

I'd be interested to know if the Azura no-CP campaign uses the Level 50 0CP spell cost or the 160CP spell cost. Ideally it should use the former but unfortunately there is no Azura campaign on PTS to test things.

Maybe they are adjusting the game to compensate for champion points again

Emma_Overload

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Aletheion wrote: »

I just looked at my resource costs on live and on PTS and everything is nearly 6% higher cost.

I have 100 points into Magician and the setup in the skill/armor/passives/enchants, etc are the same from live to PTS as far as any place where cost reduction is.

SKILL			LIVE	PTS
Pulsar			1906	2015
Liquid Lighting		2064	2182
Hardened Ward		2064	2182
Harness Magicka		2700	2853
Crystal Frag		2382	2518
Crushing Shock		1588	1679
Boundless Storm		2382	2518
Healing Ward		2700	2853

Did I miss the patch note that said, "by the way, everything is going to cost more now"?

-Aletheion

I noticed this too. With maxed Magician/Warlord everything costs around 5% more, but with 0% cost reduction things cost a whopping 16% more! This hurts hybrid builds like my stamina DK tank who uses a lot of magicka spells more so than dedicated magicka/stamina builds. 5% doesn't sound like much but it is relatively quite a bit.

This is all due to the change from VR to CP. They removed the old spell cost formula which was 1% increase from VR1-16 and changed it to the same linear rate used from levels 1-50. This results in the same costs from 1-50 but increased costs for CP10-160, increasing as you approach CP160.

I'd be interested to know if the Azura no-CP campaign uses the Level 50 0CP spell cost or the 160CP spell cost. Ideally it should use the former but unfortunately there is no Azura campaign on PTS to test things.

Hmm... I think this explains why my spells only cost about 100 points more, but Break Free costs WAY more than it used to. This is really unfair to Magicka builds, because it will force them to shift more CP into Stamina stuff.

s7732425ub17_ESO

About time. Higher costs means more build diversity because you can't just run 5 Julianos 2 Kena 3 Willpower with all damage enchants for all content.

Minalan

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

About time. Higher costs means more build diversity because you can't just run 5 Julianos 2 Kena 3 Willpower with all damage enchants for all content.

No, you just get pidgeon-holed into seducer/Magnus with atronach mundus and all damage enchants.

That's not *** build diversity. Fix the costs already, it's clearly bugged.

NTclaymore

I hope its a miscalulation. something they will fix. We have based builds, gear and rotation around a standard cost. this will pretty much force everyone to make major gear changes. The price of Kutas and legendary tempers will skyrocket. and they high priced allready

ThatNeonZebraAgain

@ZOS_GinaBruno

olsborg

Yea this isnt too cool, "slightly" isnt 5%, slightly is 1% and less. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

RobbaYaga

Sweet, so now my 6 second shield also costs more than my 20 second shield. seems fair.

STEVIL

So a question

Is this increase turning out in play to be problematic enough that folks might CHOOSE to slot cost reducing enchants on jewelry again (versus damage boosts) and wear more sustain oriented sets like magnus/seducer (versus julianos) like it used to be?

HoloYoitsu

STEVIL wrote: »

So a question

Is this increase turning out in play to be problematic enough that folks might CHOOSE to slot cost reducing enchants on jewelry again (versus damage boosts) and wear more sustain oriented sets like magnus/seducer (versus julianos) like it used to be?

The cost increase is huge, but all its going to do is push people into more burst oriented not sustain. Why? Because you can stack spell/wep dmg higher than ever before, this is not 1.5 and nothing is going to make that resource management meta come back while burst is stronger than ever. When you have the option of building for super high burst and being able to kill stuff, vs building tanky and having to sacrifice all dmg just to sustain through increased resource costs, the choice makes itself.

If you want the build diversity of 1.5, the first thing that needs to be done is caps on dmg stacking.

Smolt

This stinks.

Zheg

Wanted to go heavy armor on my healer, saw the cost of BoL, quickly returned to my senses.

The new crafted set is supposed to promote hybrid builds, but with cost increases so high you need to specialize even further, and focus on burst even more for dps.

ContraTempo

NTclaymore wrote: »

I hope its a miscalulation. something they will fix. We have based builds, gear and rotation around a standard cost. this will pretty much force everyone to make major gear changes. The price of Kutas and legendary tempers will skyrocket. and they high priced allready

And don't forget that all mats, tempers, etc will go up as people feel free to hoard them in craft bags. Double increase.

Lava_Croft

Seems that sustained DPS builds are even more a thing of the past than they already were...

Burst or bust. Blergh.

I rather see a step away from the asinine instagib gameplay than a step closer towards it.

QuebraRegra

Zheg wrote: »

Wanted to go heavy armor on my healer, saw the cost of BoL, quickly returned to my senses.

The new crafted set is supposed to promote hybrid builds, but with cost increases so high you need to specialize even further, and focus on burst even more for dps.

way to kill build diversity ZOS.

Roll back to 1.5 anybody?

HoloYoitsu

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Wanted to go heavy armor on my healer, saw the cost of BoL, quickly returned to my senses.

The new crafted set is supposed to promote hybrid builds, but with cost increases so high you need to specialize even further, and focus on burst even more for dps.

way to kill build diversity ZOS.

Roll back to 1.5 anybody?

Better equip that well fitted if you're gonna try rolling your way back to 1.5.

susmitds

Minalan wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

About time. Higher costs means more build diversity because you can't just run 5 Julianos 2 Kena 3 Willpower with all damage enchants for all content.

No, you just get pidgeon-holed into seducer/Magnus with atronach mundus and all damage enchants.

That's not *** build diversity. Fix the costs already, it's clearly bugged.

Or you can get a drink.

dodgehopper_ESO

I'm pretty sure this is intended to in some ways counter the CP world, and make it more meaningful at the same time. Those of us who had it easy on resources because of CP will feel it the most. New players won't feel it as much. I have an alternate account with no CP and I've done Bwb with it. In all honesty its kind of fun to not be uber. I'm not going to freak out about the changes just yet, because I can understand their desire to push back power creep.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

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