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Keep Overbuffing Stamina - GOOD JOB ZOS

  • Ghettokid
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    While everyone have been complaining about buffing stamina, nobody hasnt even noticed that orcs have grown to be most OP thing in game. And soon orcs will rule tamriel.
  • Ergele
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    there is still 2 months to release, chill out. There will be balancing
  • Joy_Division
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    Khaos_Bane wrote: »
    It's been going STA for a while. Soon they will out heal MAG too. The weapon Ultimates clearly show where they spend their time.

    What do you mean soon? Dat weapon damage + crit makes Vigor + Rally trump anything magicka can do except templar standing in her purifying ritual.
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • Khaos_Bane
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    Khaos_Bane wrote: »
    It's been going STA for a while. Soon they will out heal MAG too. The weapon Ultimates clearly show where they spend their time.

    What do you mean soon? Dat weapon damage + crit makes Vigor + Rally trump anything magicka can do except templar standing in her purifying ritual.

    You are probably right, and it's ridiculous. And some of the streamers constantly *** about Templar healing, it's incredible.

  • RadioheadSh0t
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    Xsorus wrote: »
    Apherius wrote: »
    Xsorus wrote: »
    Magicka dks got some pretty good sets this patch and freakin Valkyn scoria is win now.

    cool , we are not all Magicka Dk's man , maybe it's good for some magic user , But not for other .

    Skoria is going to be good for every magicka user

    Every Magicka Build doesn't rely on dots, so no it definitely won't be good for every magicka build.
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  • olsborg
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    Agree, altho magicka templar will still be stupidly OP after patch, its the only mag class that is tho, magicka sorc and dk is so so. Templars with soulshine will be a pain in the ass. Dark flare + radiant overpowerdness.

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  • WooZie
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    Get used to magicka and stamina both being competitive.

    But that's not the case, is it? They aren't both competitive. Where once magicka was outperforming stamina virtually everywhere, now stamina outperforms magicka by a huge margin. "From one ditch to another" cannot be considered balancing.
  • Armitas
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    Whoever is developing stamina and whoever is developing magicka switch places please so we can start to get caught up to a balanced point. It's not like you are going to try balance anything intentionally so just let it happen artificially by having them switch jobs.
    Edited by Armitas on September 3, 2016 2:38PM
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  • Armitas
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    Ergele wrote: »
    there is still 2 months to release, chill out. There will be balancing

    Unless someone makes a 30 page thread they don't care to hear about it unless it's a bug. That is PTS in this game.
    Retired.
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  • Witar
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    While every other game tries balancing classes, roles and gameplays, wrobel thinks it's just fine for a good stamina to be completely unkillabe by a magicka user and outperform in almost every aspect of the game save healing. Just sad.
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  • Minalan
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    I'm done. Uninstalled and out. See you guys when they fix this.

    *drops mic*
  • zuto40
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    I'm staying mageblade, it'll be hard but not as hard as the punches my dad gives me
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  • Thelon
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    Ergele wrote: »
    There will be balancing

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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    This is so frustrating as a Magblade . I get wiped in seconds by good stamina build . Only way I win is by sneak attack gankering . Open field and I am doomed . Wish they would unnerf syphoning strikes and funnel health from us since changes to crit were made .
  • Erondil
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    I hope this is just setting the stage for spellcrafting which will make magicka builds amazing again.

    Only logical explanation, IMO.

    Well if there was any abilities rework this patch, that could have been true. Except there is none, besides extremely strong new stamina weapons ultimates and terrible destro staff ultimate.
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  • SirMewser
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    Ivan04 wrote: »
    Magicka got some very nice new sets, like Medusa, for example, plus old sets like Martial Knowledge are being brought back. And magic users always had incredibly OP sets like Lich and Warlock, so I'm ever surprised to ever see them whine about sets. TBS is as good for magic as it is for stamina, and for healers too. I'm only left to assume that because magic-based playstyle is harder to master to some extent, there are more whiners in the general mass of magic users. Magic sorcs, nightblade bombers and templar permatroll-fullhealthbeamers are stll quite OP, which is proven even by moderately experienced players.

    Clearly you've only played stamina, sets complement a skill set greatly and with the way things are such as magic sorcs having a skill line full of toggles you lose utility, so sets are used to compensate for the underperformance which in my opinion is a half-arse solution rather than fixing the problem. This is the case with a lot of magic based classes (another example is magic Dragonknight), you can see how generic and less diverse the sets have become compared to sets back in Orsinium release and this forces players to run with specific gear with a narrow selection of viable combinations in order to perform moderately in end-game content.

    It never was about, "learn to play" as the game is actually quite easy, it's the fact it is boring once you have the few viable sets with a certain skill set. Let players have variety and sets that actually support a playstyle, don't let those specific sets be the "fixes" for abilities that are weak to begin with. Just look at Oblivion's Foe for an example...

    Where are the 9 trait crafting sets for magic players? Why are all the new sets so generic that elemental/physical forms of damage/resistance are absent? It was always interesting to find a set that that specifically frost driven attributes such as "when dealing frost damage" or giving frost resistance, as this would promote the use of useless destruction staff and counter other sets/enemies in pve/pvp, making that person specialized and unique.

    Why does light armor have to have 2 passives for magic cost reduction and magic recovery, while medium armor has stamina counterparts of those two passives in one?

    I keep hearing that magic is suppose to underperform DPS oppose to stamina as they are suppose to be more utility based, well why is the new destruction staff ultimate offering 0 effects and raw damage unless you morph it to Elemental Rage? The effects are the same recycled ones that you get for slotting an elemental enchantment or wall of elements (which has an addition elemental effect), while those being far more cheap to use. I just don't understand what is going through ZoS' mind it's like they've never played their own game.
    Minalan wrote: »
    I'm done. Uninstalled and out. See you guys when they fix this.

    *drops mic*

    Damn, you beat me to it... :D Right behind you!
    Edited by SirMewser on September 3, 2016 5:42PM
  • Rage_Killin
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    zyk wrote: »
    Fire Wrobel.

    Sure because the company is controlled by one guy.
  • Ghost-Shot
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    Ergele wrote: »
    there is still 2 months to release, chill out. There will be balancing

    You must be new here, this is the patch that will go live, likely with a slight nerf to world difficulty and a nerf to the destro ultimate.
  • Ghost-Shot
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    zyk wrote: »
    Fire Wrobel.

    Sure because the company is controlled by one guy.

    He's responsible for itemization, abilities, and balance, so yeah this is pretty much all on him.
  • WreckfulAbandon
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    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
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  • jcaceresw
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    As a casual player who have all 12 magika toons I find the new weapon ultimates and armor sets favoring stamina pretty disgusting.
  • Teridaxus
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    Venscal wrote: »
    As a Magicka users I am starting to feel like a second class citizens in this game.

    Try to be a tank in this game, second class since beta and people demand to queue as 4 dps since a few months now.
    It's all about stamina dps/dodge roll monkey builds now.
  • WillhelmBlack
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    Nothing to discuss.
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  • Apherius
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    Stamina want a good self heal ? They have a self heal , Stamina want a shield ? They have a ultimate shield .

    Now the only différence is the range of some magicka . and Cac of stamina .

    Did you think stamina should have more dps and more good ultimate than magicka user ... only because they are range ?
    Woler , i don't remember his name , say me Yes ... but did you forgot guys that in a raid we need to be in front of the heal for Buffs ? Maybe we are range , but we are only at 2 metters behind you , and don't forgot our elemental blockade . We are not totally range , but a little, it's not reason for keep overbuffing stamina .
    Edited by Apherius on September 3, 2016 6:59PM
  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    Venscal wrote: »
    As a Magicka users I am starting to feel like a second class citizens in this game.

    As have stamina users for years.

    It's about time the playing field was levelled.

    Get used to magicka and stamina both being competitive.

    LOL do U hear yourself? Yes mag was op in the beginning, but stam has been op Now last several patches and getting worse with each one, zos has totally no clue What balance is
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  • FireCowCommando
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    I just saw the leaked update 13 patch notes, good news! Those long awaited stam buffs are coming next, next update too!

    As per popular demand, a more aggressive healing debuff is coming, 150%! That way when they heal, they lower their health.

    Why? Because reasons
    Edited by FireCowCommando on September 3, 2016 8:19PM
  • RebornV3x
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    I gave up on my magicka sorc yesterday I tried to hold hout as long as I could in hope they would give us something its obvious they care about magicka players its sad I don't want to play a stam sorc but its the only was to stay competitive in PVP stam is just better: better ultimates, gear options and passives.
    Edited by RebornV3x on September 3, 2016 8:32PM
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  • Ivan04
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    zyk wrote: »
    Fire Wrobel.

    Sure because the company is controlled by one guy.

    Plot twist: that one guy is Wrobel!

    Also you can't blame one guy for everything, or anything at all, since it's PTS and devs intentionally do some things to cause us to overreact.
  • Ivan04
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    Ghettokid wrote: »
    While everyone have been complaining about buffing stamina, nobody hasnt even noticed that orcs have grown to be most OP thing in game. And soon orcs will rule tamriel.

    And that's exactly why Daggerfall Covenant will fall apart right after King Emeric's death.
    Edited by Ivan04 on September 3, 2016 8:38PM
  • Pangnirtung
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    Venscal wrote: »
    As a Magicka users I am starting to feel like a second class citizens in this game.

    As have stamina users for years.

    It's about time the playing field was levelled.

    Get used to magicka and stamina both being competitive.

    LOL do U hear yourself? Yes mag was op in the beginning, but stam has been op Now last several patches and getting worse with each one, zos has totally no clue What balance is

    Yup. Get used to it because the pendulum always swings back to the other side. It won't be long and it will be the stamina users complaining. Get used to it. There will never be balance in this game that makes everyone happy.
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