It can't possibly be market manipulation because we're constantly told that such a thing could only happen with an auction house !
Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)
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2. there has been a long time where many bots could sell without bans, then there came a ban wave for bots.
3. new dlc with many new items and new "standards" for equipment. there is atm a lack of alloys and rosin. the dlc before that had not such an impact, since there hasnt been an upgrade to cp 160 for some sets. meanwhile its also for dd's possible to use two 5x boni with full cp 160 sets.
at the moment i didnt recognize any attempts in buying/reselling or creating a lack of items to resell it later more expensive in a "mafia" way. (golden items is what i mean. that alchemist thing i also recognized)
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my 5 cent.
Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »As long as the economy is, effectively, controlled by the most successful trading guilds, hogging the best trader sites to feed their own greed, this will not change.
Stuff the money grabbers, we need an AH to give everyone a level playing field and bring prices down to a more reasonable level.
There is not really a "lack" of alloys and rosins, there's still people around with several thousands of them.
Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)
this and:
2. there has been a long time where many bots could sell without bans, then there came a ban wave for bots.
3. new dlc with many new items and new "standards" for equipment. there is atm a lack of alloys and rosin. the dlc before that had not such an impact, since there hasnt been an upgrade to cp 160 for some sets. meanwhile its also for dd's possible to use two 5x boni with full cp 160 sets.
at the moment i didnt recognize any attempts in buying/reselling or creating a lack of items to resell it later more expensive in a "mafia" way. (golden items is what i mean. that alchemist thing i also recognized)
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my 5 cent.
There is not really a "lack" of alloys and rosins, there's still people around with several thousands of them.
What we see at the moment is the result of a few persons trying to manipulate the market, the prices rise and the more average players are hesitant to sell if they don't need the money asap, just because the price "might rise further".
At least, for me, it's worth again to grind for raw materials
Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)
this and:
2. there has been a long time where many bots could sell without bans, then there came a ban wave for bots.
3. new dlc with many new items and new "standards" for equipment. there is atm a lack of alloys and rosin. the dlc before that had not such an impact, since there hasnt been an upgrade to cp 160 for some sets. meanwhile its also for dd's possible to use two 5x boni with full cp 160 sets.
at the moment i didnt recognize any attempts in buying/reselling or creating a lack of items to resell it later more expensive in a "mafia" way. (golden items is what i mean. that alchemist thing i also recognized)
_
my 5 cent.
There is not really a "lack" of alloys and rosins, there's still people around with several thousands of them.
What we see at the moment is the result of a few persons trying to manipulate the market, the prices rise and the more average players are hesitant to sell if they don't need the money asap, just because the price "might rise further".
At least, for me, it's worth again to grind for raw materials
I don't really see any manipulation here. I think it's indeed because of high demand. Everyone and their mother runs trials all day long to farm equip which needs to be improved.
Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)
this and:
2. there has been a long time where many bots could sell without bans, then there came a ban wave for bots.
3. new dlc with many new items and new "standards" for equipment. there is atm a lack of alloys and rosin. the dlc before that had not such an impact, since there hasnt been an upgrade to cp 160 for some sets. meanwhile its also for dd's possible to use two 5x boni with full cp 160 sets.
at the moment i didnt recognize any attempts in buying/reselling or creating a lack of items to resell it later more expensive in a "mafia" way. (golden items is what i mean. that alchemist thing i also recognized)
_
my 5 cent.
There is not really a "lack" of alloys and rosins, there's still people around with several thousands of them.
What we see at the moment is the result of a few persons trying to manipulate the market, the prices rise and the more average players are hesitant to sell if they don't need the money asap, just because the price "might rise further".
At least, for me, it's worth again to grind for raw materials
I don't really see any manipulation here. I think it's indeed because of high demand. Everyone and their mother runs trials all day long to farm equip which needs to be improved.
If somebody is buying almost all available upgrading materials in one day, then I can clearly see the intention of market manipulation, right?
If somebody is buying almost all available upgrading materials in one day, then I can clearly see the intention of market manipulation, right?
Not really. I see someone trying to make a quick profit flipping as much as they can during a high-demand period of time.If somebody is buying almost all available upgrading materials in one day, then I can clearly see the intention of market manipulation, right?
Of course sellers raise prices for personal gain. Sellers *always* raise prices for personal gain when they can. That's why they are called "sellers", not "givers", lol.Paulington wrote: »Manipulate prices for person gain? Who would even do such a thing?
Paulington wrote: »Manipulate prices for person gain? Who would even do such a thing?
I'm also on PC-EU and have not noticed these prices, but I do not shop from top vendors and my MM gives me the values from my guilds only (which are social with small/medium traders).
The only recent change I found was the price of Kuta which plummeted to about 5500-5800 in the last few months.
When I get home tonight I'll check the gold tempers' average sale figure and post it here. In the meantime, have you checked the "lesser" trading hubs like Marbruk and Baandari Trading Post (Greenshade and Malabal Tor, respectively)? Or Sentinel (Alik'r)?
kasa-obake wrote: »If you have been playing on PC EU server this past month, you may have noticed the prices for most refining and alchemy materials have substantially increased, as in 12k tempering alloys, 8k dreugh wax, 5k rosins, 600g/columbine... Maybe it's because I'm bored and waiting for my degree courses to start, maybe it's because I'm depressed that a poor scrub like me can't afford to upgrade vDSA weapons, or maybe it's scientific curiosity, but I'm genuinely wondering: what the hell?
Why did the prices increase so much? What the invisible hand of the PC EU eso market? In layman's terms, who is responsible for that inflation?
Or did all the intensive farmers quit the game in an organised yet unpredictable fashion? Did the farming bots become sentient and rebelled against their masters, thus screwing their farming routes? While I get that the prices for these goods usually increase with the release of new DLCs aka new armors to upgrade etc. why haven't they dropped down? And what about alchemy mats? Their price isn't correlated with the release of new content. We were in August. If anything, the game should be more populated than at any other given period, implying more farmers. And yet, there's a shortage.
Unless it's not a shortage, and somebody is buying every single reasonably priced good to resell at higher value. Then give me a scapegoat! Somebody to blame for my epic quality weapons and the general state of the eso economy. I'm triggered everytime I glance at my characters; instead of seeing bright, golden staves and swords, glinting and gleaming like elusive sunlight rays on a beautiful summer afternoon, I see purple and outright tear-worthy gear, only reminiscent of the most depressing color of the rainbow and Barney the Dinosaur, which scares me even more than clowns do.
Here are some MM screenshots to illustrate my point. Pay no attention to the cow behind the curtain.
Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »Dem tempers mafia
In my opinion, flipping just isn't worth my time. I'd rather spend the time farming or leveling an alt's crafting for the hireling mats. There are deals out there flipping, to be sure, and some of them can be quite profitable. But it's all just luck, and I'd much prefer to spend 1/4 the time farming for 100% profit and have the other 3/4 of the time to play the actual game.kasa-obake wrote: »Thing is, most people visit these traders, buy at low price and resell in their own respective trading guilds in Rawl'Ka, Craglorn, Deeshan etc. Most of my friends do that too, and tbf I have no luck in this game. Whenever I visit, there's nothing worth buying left.
Can't speak for alchemy but tempering materials had their drop rate tuned down since the update on PS4.
On pS4 anyway writs drop them less and I went a very large refining spree last week over seven hours and raw material when the dust settled and math fell out gold tempers drop was 3.6%.
kasa-obake wrote: »If you have been playing on PC EU server this past month, you may have noticed the prices for most refining and alchemy materials have substantially increased, as in 12k tempering alloys, 8k dreugh wax, 5k rosins, 600g/columbine...
Why did the prices increase so much? What the invisible hand of the PC EU eso market? In layman's terms, who is responsible for that inflation?
kasa-obake wrote: »If you have been playing on PC EU server this past month, you may have noticed the prices for most refining and alchemy materials have substantially increased, as in 12k tempering alloys, 8k dreugh wax, 5k rosins, 600g/columbine...
Why did the prices increase so much? What the invisible hand of the PC EU eso market? In layman's terms, who is responsible for that inflation?
I blame Brexit.
kasa-obake wrote: »If you have been playing on PC EU server this past month, you may have noticed the prices for most refining and alchemy materials have substantially increased, as in 12k tempering alloys, 8k dreugh wax, 5k rosins, 600g/columbine... Maybe it's because I'm bored and waiting for my degree courses to start, maybe it's because I'm depressed that a poor scrub like me can't afford to upgrade vDSA weapons, or maybe it's scientific curiosity, but I'm genuinely wondering: what the hell?
Why did the prices increase so much? What the invisible hand of the PC EU eso market? In layman's terms, who is responsible for that inflation?
Or did all the intensive farmers quit the game in an organised yet unpredictable fashion? Did the farming bots become sentient and rebelled against their masters, thus screwing their farming routes? While I get that the prices for these goods usually increase with the release of new DLCs aka new armors to upgrade etc. why haven't they dropped down? And what about alchemy mats? Their price isn't correlated with the release of new content. We were in August. If anything, the game should be more populated than at any other given period, implying more farmers. And yet, there's a shortage.
Unless it's not a shortage, and somebody is buying every single reasonably priced good to resell at higher value. Then give me a scapegoat! Somebody to blame for my epic quality weapons and the general state of the eso economy. I'm triggered everytime I glance at my characters; instead of seeing bright, golden staves and swords, glinting and gleaming like elusive sunlight rays on a beautiful summer afternoon, I see purple and outright tear-worthy gear, only reminiscent of the most depressing color of the rainbow and Barney the Dinosaur, which scares me even more than clowns do.
Here are some MM screenshots to illustrate my point. Pay no attention to the cow behind the curtain.
AT some pointNiclasFridholm wrote: »A while ago a certain person exploited the crafting bag bug, made all to much gold and is now manipulating the market probably cause X is bored. He does have help from X amount of greedy persons atm. Recently X also took control of a big trade guild so X can pretty much do what pleases X...