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PC EU Economy - What the actual hell?

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If you have been playing on PC EU server this past month, you may have noticed the prices for most refining and alchemy materials have substantially increased, as in 12k tempering alloys, 8k dreugh wax, 5k rosins, 600g/columbine... Maybe it's because I'm bored and waiting for my degree courses to start, maybe it's because I'm depressed that a poor scrub like me can't afford to upgrade vDSA weapons, or maybe it's scientific curiosity, but I'm genuinely wondering: what the hell?

Why did the prices increase so much? What the invisible hand of the PC EU eso market? In layman's terms, who is responsible for that inflation?

Or did all the intensive farmers quit the game in an organised yet unpredictable fashion? Did the farming bots become sentient and rebelled against their masters, thus screwing their farming routes? While I get that the prices for these goods usually increase with the release of new DLCs aka new armors to upgrade etc. why haven't they dropped down? And what about alchemy mats? Their price isn't correlated with the release of new content. We were in August. If anything, the game should be more populated than at any other given period, implying more farmers. And yet, there's a shortage.

Unless it's not a shortage, and somebody is buying every single reasonably priced good to resell at higher value. Then give me a scapegoat! Somebody to blame for my epic quality weapons and the general state of the eso economy. I'm triggered everytime I glance at my characters; instead of seeing bright, golden staves and swords, glinting and gleaming like elusive sunlight rays on a beautiful summer afternoon, I see purple and outright tear-worthy gear, only reminiscent of the most depressing color of the rainbow and Barney the Dinosaur, which scares me even more than clowns do.

Here are some MM screenshots to illustrate my point. Pay no attention to the cow behind the curtain.
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  • Jaybe_Mawfaka
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    Dem tempers mafia
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  • worsttankever
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    Same price for columbine on PS4 NA (600-1k gold).
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  • VizigothAlaric
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    1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)
    2.No proper farm zone for alchemy materials since everyone goes to the coldharbour its hard to farm in a really small zone or ppl farming and saving for themselves or they go trials for better money options
    3.Trader guild wars in craglorn hit the prices

    also i noticed resently ppl sell 100 granrepair kit for 30k gold nowadays

    imo trading in Eso EU server totaly *** always having trouble personally to find decent priced materials so i'm farming myself and keeping for myself.
    Edited by VizigothAlaric on August 31, 2016 2:26PM
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  • sluice
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    On the PS4 - NA, there are a few that are trying to take control of the market for Rosin, Dreugh Wax and Tempering Alloy.
    It's pretty obvious... just go through most guild traders in the big cities and you will notice the same sellers names often coming up with very similar prices.
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  • KingMagaw
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    A while ago a certain person exploited the crafting bag bug, made all to much gold and is now manipulating the market probably cause X is bored. He does have help from X amount of greedy persons atm. Recently X also took control of a big trade guild so X can pretty much do what pleases X...

    ^^ Exactly this. Same guild bought up all the Wood gold Rosins at 2.5-3k and now for 5/6k. Market fixing for gold tempers is happening. Easily achievable as most my friends have millions of gold saved because there is no real gold sink in ESO when you got a maxed build playing.

    As for plant ingredients, i think more people are using the higher end potions now, for PvP, or trials etc. Only Coldharbour and DLC areas are worth farming raw mats, if your into that thing, mostly they are populated with farmers already making the gains in these areas slow per time spent.
  • SublimeSparo
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    Lol, complains.
    PS4 EU
    Average Prices at the moment
    Tempering Alloy 19-22k
    Dreugh Wax, Rosin 9-10k
    Kuta 10k
    20 Columbine 16k
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    High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
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    Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
    Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
    Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
    Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
    Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
    Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
    Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
    Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
    Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank

    NA
    Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
    Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
    Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
    Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
    You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
    Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
    Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
    Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
    Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
    Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank
  • Khenarthi
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    I'm also on PC-EU and have not noticed these prices, but I do not shop from top vendors and my MM gives me the values from my guilds only (which are social with small/medium traders).

    The only recent change I found was the price of Kuta which plummeted to about 5500-5800 in the last few months.

    When I get home tonight I'll check the gold tempers' average sale figure and post it here. In the meantime, have you checked the "lesser" trading hubs like Marbruk and Baandari Trading Post (Greenshade and Malabal Tor, respectively)? Or Sentinel (Alik'r)?
    Edited by Khenarthi on August 31, 2016 3:47PM
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    PC-EU @Khenarthi2 - Eralyon, Othernor, Hums-Softly, Eldric of Kynesgrove, Revan Norvayn, Elena Sunspear, Balsemina, Glarthka gra-Margog (all non-Khajiit)

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  • Arkadius
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    A while ago a certain person exploited the crafting bag bug, made all to much gold and is now manipulating the market probably cause X is bored. He does have help from X amount of greedy persons atm. Recently X also took control of a big trade guild so X can pretty much do what pleases X...

    I haven't seen any guild leader changes in Belkarth guilds in several months. I'd be interested which guild you mean? Via PM maybe ...?
  • Verbalinkontinenz
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    1.Writ change hit the prices of wax and tempers ( Thats how i feel since less ppl doing it atm)

    this and:

    2. there has been a long time where many bots could sell without bans, then there came a ban wave for bots.

    3. new dlc with many new items and new "standards" for equipment. there is atm a lack of alloys and rosin. the dlc before that had not such an impact, since there hasnt been an upgrade to cp 160 for some sets. meanwhile its also for dd's possible to use two 5x boni with full cp 160 sets.

    at the moment i didnt recognize any attempts in buying/reselling or creating a lack of items to resell it later more expensive in a "mafia" way. (golden items is what i mean. that alchemist thing i also recognized)

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    my 5 cent.

    Edited by Verbalinkontinenz on August 31, 2016 4:09PM
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    Just Traders - Belkarth - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku
    Bait Trading House - Elden Root - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku @Orki

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  • Loves_guars
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    I don't know what is happening but we need measures to fix this, like op said I simply can't craft anything gold for my toons. Purple already costs me everything I have. It's a lot cheaper to buy sets and that is sad. It wasn't this expensive a few months ago.
    I'm not saying that purple/ gold tempers should be cheap, but at least possible to buy.
    Edited by Loves_guars on August 31, 2016 4:14PM
  • Arthur_Spoonfondle
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    As long as the economy is, effectively, controlled by the most successful trading guilds, hogging the best trader sites to feed their own greed, this will not change.

    Stuff the money grabbers, we need an AH to give everyone a level playing field and bring prices down to a more reasonable level.
  • Cazzy
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    Now I understand why my alloys sell so quickly. I sell them 1k each!
  • Robbmrp
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    Costs always go up after a DLC drops as everyone is recrafting for the new sets or golding the new drops they have. Prices will continue to do this over and over with each DLC that comes out.

    Luckily the server PC-NA that I'm on, isn't as pricy as the EU server.
    NA Server - Kildair
  • Verbalinkontinenz
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    I don't know what is happening but we need measures to fix this, like op said I simply can't craft anything gold for my toons. Purple already costs me everything I have. It's a lot cheaper to buy sets and that is sad. It wasn't this expensive a few months ago.
    I'm not saying that purple/ gold tempers should be cheap, but at least possible to buy.

    but why should somebody fix that? in the end golden items are something like end-content items. wanting that items to become cheaper or wanting them to get them easier is like people screaming to get every *** item from every fkn' trial even without beeing good. thats why cp 160 are getting farmed in normal modes.

    u do something for something -> u get it. but people just want everything easy-mode. this is an mmo, no single player game, where you are out of comeptition. in the end, it isnt hard to get his golden mats, if somebody wants too have them. then u can upgrade one item after another every second day. u just need to use the possibilities the game designers gave you to get your items. u dont need to exploit to get some golden mats in an hour.
    Edited by Verbalinkontinenz on August 31, 2016 4:18PM
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    Tamriel Stock Exchange - Rawl'Kha - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @nku
    Just Traders - Belkarth - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku
    Bait Trading House - Elden Root - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku @Orki

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  • benjamino613
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    From the sounds of things PC pales jn comparison to console price surges.
  • DRXHarbinger
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    You got it good.

    XB EU. ...temp 20k. ..wax 9k...rosin 10k... columbine 1200. Stop complaining. Rings of the Sun. ...500k...lol..the one elegant sword. 1m.
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  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    More demand :

    - new sets which people want to try and test in gold
    - many trials to farm + new high level dungeons => pots pots pots
    - Many new players (? seems so to me)
    - High end trial guilds have a tough competition on vMoL and VDsA right now, weekly leaderboards are important => stuff, pots, tempers, stuff, pots, tempers...
    - Extra character slots + now levelling a new alt is a matter of a few days => more characters to gear properly.

    Less supply :

    - Crafting bags (selling less necessary or less urgent, can wait)
    - many trials-dungeons-farm + many motifs to farm => less farming time
    - More ingredients for same number of nodes => rare ingredients are even more rare

    More money in the economy :

    - Every theft / murder / lockbox grants you drop between 40 and 350g each. Gold, gold, gold. It adds up.
    - PvP gold rewards have been very significantly increased in recent patches.
    - No new gold sink

    ==========>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher prices.

    On top on that, of course many talented traders benefit from the extremely dynamic market by playing the buy-cheap-sell-high game.

    It's real fun at the moment ! I love it. Everything sells, even IC trophies that had previously quite stopped selling.


    EDIT : added "more characters" factor.
    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on September 1, 2016 5:17AM
  • SolarCat02
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    Xbox NA is not so great either. Farming also seems tougher than it used to be. One of my guildmates has been farming nonstop for the last three days. He's up to 4 wax.
    Why be normal when you can be better?

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  • Nestor
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    I am going to have to pry open my crafting bag and sell some stuff.
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  • Saint_Bud
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    The prices are ok. Just make the writs and you have the stuff and dont need to buy or farm the gold and buy it.
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    Stop playing PVE because its boring, content not disigned for melee players and class balance and sustain is ***
  • Slammer99uk
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    I am convinced that gold temper drops rates have been toned down.

    3 points in each of the recovery rates and noticed that I was getting very low returns on gold tempers, so I decided a couple of days ago to put it to the test and started farming rubido scraps. This morning I refined 1000 of them for a return of 2, yes 2 gold tempers and 4 purple.

    RNG is not on my side :(
  • Verbalinkontinenz
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    I am convinced that gold temper drops rates have been toned down.

    3 points in each of the recovery rates and noticed that I was getting very low returns on gold tempers, so I decided a couple of days ago to put it to the test and started farming rubido scraps. This morning I refined 1000 of them for a return of 2, yes 2 gold tempers and 4 purple.

    RNG is not on my side :(

    then its rng. because its usually on my side.
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    Just Traders - Belkarth - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku
    Bait Trading House - Elden Root - Contact (ingame): @Verbalinkontinenz @Arkadius1 @nku @Orki

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  • LegacyDM
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    Pc NA is feeling a similar inflation. Tempers have gone from 7k -8.5/9k. Some vendors even selling for 10k.
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