Bryanonymous wrote: »

Your 'problem' is, you believe they are attracted to YOU, and not your avatar. Since when is it a crime to be attracted to cartoon characters? However, I more suspect you had expectations, and now your mind is making them come true.

Suter1972 wrote: »

but I feel sorry for all the female players that maybe get this all this time.

I would also like to point out the assumptions in this statement. You assume female players can't handle and don't want the attention? You really feel sorry for them? First world problems, huh? Do you believe women need your pity?

Still, I don't play a female avatar, because there is a certain awkwardness knowing that others perceive me as a female, but that's just me. If I was playing as a female, and someone payed me a compliment. it would go something like this...

Someone else: "Dude, your avatar is hot."
Me: "ikr"

See, I am still as much a third person in the compliment as everyone else, and I would never take the compliments personally.

wowza.....what a response to a simple question/observation based on FACT I have experienced playing two genders in game in a short space of time.

I can assure you as a 40 something happily married family man I have no 'problem' with thinking people fancy me and not my avatar...

Re the second statement....note the word 'maybe' in there. 'Maybe' defines a random and unknown quantity and not a direct assumption of fact. So no...I don't believe women (I note your generalisation in there) need pity but was purely asking if other players of female characters get additional attention/harassment (irrespective of whether taken in good spirit or not, as mine is)

Thanks to the other posters.... good to hear im not totally alone in noticing this. One extra thing ive noticed, the attention generally comes from newer players and not the high level players that have 'maybe' (added for bryans sake) have seen pretty much everything already

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Your 'problem' is, you believe they are attracted to YOU, and not your avatar. Since when is it a crime to be attracted to cartoon characters? However, I more suspect you had expectations, and now your mind is making them come true.

Suter1972 wrote: »

but I feel sorry for all the female players that maybe get this all this time.

I would also like to point out the assumptions in this statement. You assume female players can't handle and don't want the attention? You really feel sorry for them? First world problems, huh? Do you believe women need your pity?

Still, I don't play a female avatar, because there is a certain awkwardness knowing that others perceive me as a female, but that's just me. If I was playing as a female, and someone payed me a compliment. it would go something like this...

Someone else: "Dude, your avatar is hot."
Me: "ikr"

See, I am still as much a third person in the compliment as everyone else, and I would never take the compliments personally.

wowza.....what a response to a simple question/observation based on FACT I have experienced playing two genders in game in a short space of time.

I can assure you as a 40 something happily married family man I have no 'problem' with thinking people fancy me and not my avatar...

Re the second statement....note the word 'maybe' in there. 'Maybe' defines a random and unknown quantity and not a direct assumption of fact. So no...I don't believe women (I note your generalisation in there) need pity but was purely asking if other players of female characters get additional attention/harassment (irrespective of whether taken in good spirit or not, as mine is)

Thanks to the other posters.... good to hear im not totally alone in noticing this. One extra thing ive noticed, the attention generally comes from newer players and not the high level players that have 'maybe' (added for bryans sake) have seen pretty much everything already

Your use of the word maybe was not used to describe if they 'maybe' uncomfortable, it was used to describe if they 'maybe' get the attention in the first place, which still implies that once they do get the attention, you pity them... but nice try at defending your assumptions. My point was... 'Maybe' they want the attention and don't need your pity, and 'maybe' these delusions that other avatars are 'harassing' you are just in your head to begin with.

Maybe...

thank you for correcting my assumptions..... im glad you were in my head as I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. /applause

The trade and whispers were just imaginary figments of a 'first world' male mind....

now excuse me, ive got a womens rights convention to get along to

Dimentiza wrote: »

I have 4 female chars and I think no one has ever bothered me. I don't mind if people want to stare at my characters, I stare other people chars all the time out of curiosity. And the female sexy walk doesn't really bother me and I'm a female irl. Tho it would be cool if you could change walk style etc. on your characters.

You can in fact change the walk if you use personalities. Eg the Heroic personality definitely changes the way you walk!

Averya_Teira wrote: »

I play only female characters and this never once happened to me...In any game.

I really have no idea if people are making this up or I am just not making attractive characters, bit I don't get the harrasment thing with female characters.

I think part of the reason its happening to me is that I like to RP a little. Not in a major sense but when im in a town I like to trot around on my camel and walk into craft zones etc, rather than sprint/jump everywhere. Sometimes I just stand and watch what's going on in a town square and that's when it happens. Not when im running around.

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Your 'problem' is, you believe they are attracted to YOU, and not your avatar. Since when is it a crime to be attracted to cartoon characters? However, I more suspect you had expectations, and now your mind is making them come true.

Suter1972 wrote: »

but I feel sorry for all the female players that maybe get this all this time.

I would also like to point out the assumptions in this statement. You assume female players can't handle and don't want the attention? You really feel sorry for them? First world problems, huh? Do you believe women need your pity?

Still, I don't play a female avatar, because there is a certain awkwardness knowing that others perceive me as a female, but that's just me. If I was playing as a female, and someone payed me a compliment. it would go something like this...

Someone else: "Dude, your avatar is hot."
Me: "ikr"

See, I am still as much a third person in the compliment as everyone else, and I would never take the compliments personally.

wowza.....what a response to a simple question/observation based on FACT I have experienced playing two genders in game in a short space of time.

I can assure you as a 40 something happily married family man I have no 'problem' with thinking people fancy me and not my avatar...

Re the second statement....note the word 'maybe' in there. 'Maybe' defines a random and unknown quantity and not a direct assumption of fact. So no...I don't believe women (I note your generalisation in there) need pity but was purely asking if other players of female characters get additional attention/harassment (irrespective of whether taken in good spirit or not, as mine is)

Thanks to the other posters.... good to hear im not totally alone in noticing this. One extra thing ive noticed, the attention generally comes from newer players and not the high level players that have 'maybe' (added for bryans sake) have seen pretty much everything already

Your use of the word maybe was not used to describe if they 'maybe' uncomfortable, it was used to describe if they 'maybe' get the attention in the first place, which still implies that once they do get the attention, you pity them... but nice try at defending your assumptions. My point was... 'Maybe' they want the attention and don't need your pity, and 'maybe' these delusions that other avatars are 'harassing' you are just in your head to begin with.

Maybe...

thank you for correcting my assumptions..... im glad you were in my head as I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. /applause

The trade and whispers were just imaginary figments of a 'first world' male mind....

now excuse me, ive got a womens rights convention to get along to

I only perceived what you wrote based on the definitions of the words you chose and the order you chose to use them in. If you expected different reactions, then you should have chosen different words. Or did you expect every opinion to simply reinforce your assumptions? I really don't know... I only suspect, like any rational mind would.

In my opinion, you are setting a standard PC outrage idea that it is wrong for players to be attracted to cartoon characters, or to admire other players characters appearance. You do this by accusing them of what you 'perceive' as harassment, and then imply that all female players feel harassed like you. However, 'maybe' I am wrong, but the words you chose point in that direction.

Jeez.. give it a rest please. Its a simple question to the wider audience. No intentions or accusations were implied or intended. I didn't expect or appreciate simple queries being dissected in such a manner about where I had put the word 'maybe' in a sentence. If people don't feel harassed, then great. I don't, as I clearly said. It was merely an observation I had found in game in my own experience which clearly you haven't had.

You ended your OP with the word 'problem' in subtle quotes as to imply you felt some type of questionable behavior. This was very clear. So what was the problem then? That female avatars get attention? That's not a problem. You also said you feel sorry for girls who get this type of attention. Why? Or, maybe feel sorry for them, and maybe you don't? Do they need you to feel sorry for them? Or maybe they get the attention, and then you feel sorry for them?

Maybe you are trying to rewrite your OP because you know the original intent, and yea... you don't appreciate me pointing it out... but then maybe you should not have made so many assumptions to begin with. How about YOU give it a rest, because I can keep going. Accept that your OP had some logic errors, and that people on the internet are capable and will point them out if you don't word your sentences more carefully.

I personally want to see MORE hot avatars, and MORE dudes hitting on them. It's funny.

This is old as the genre. I remember both males and females making tarted up female characters in EQ and DAoC and hanging out in newbie areas just to get free stuff back in the day. It's gotten a lot better over the years, though. I don't think most people even care any more.

I have 9 characters, only one is male.

Only once did I get a creepy whisper and it was someone saying "Nice cat boobies".

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Your 'problem' is, you believe they are attracted to YOU, and not your avatar. Since when is it a crime to be attracted to cartoon characters? However, I more suspect you had expectations, and now your mind is making them come true.

Suter1972 wrote: »

but I feel sorry for all the female players that maybe get this all this time.

I would also like to point out the assumptions in this statement. You assume female players can't handle and don't want the attention? You really feel sorry for them? First world problems, huh? Do you believe women need your pity?

Still, I don't play a female avatar, because there is a certain awkwardness knowing that others perceive me as a female, but that's just me. If I was playing as a female, and someone payed me a compliment. it would go something like this...

Someone else: "Dude, your avatar is hot."
Me: "ikr"

See, I am still as much a third person in the compliment as everyone else, and I would never take the compliments personally.

wowza.....what a response to a simple question/observation based on FACT I have experienced playing two genders in game in a short space of time.

I can assure you as a 40 something happily married family man I have no 'problem' with thinking people fancy me and not my avatar...

Re the second statement....note the word 'maybe' in there. 'Maybe' defines a random and unknown quantity and not a direct assumption of fact. So no...I don't believe women (I note your generalisation in there) need pity but was purely asking if other players of female characters get additional attention/harassment (irrespective of whether taken in good spirit or not, as mine is)

Thanks to the other posters.... good to hear im not totally alone in noticing this. One extra thing ive noticed, the attention generally comes from newer players and not the high level players that have 'maybe' (added for bryans sake) have seen pretty much everything already

Your use of the word maybe was not used to describe if they 'maybe' uncomfortable, it was used to describe if they 'maybe' get the attention in the first place, which still implies that once they do get the attention, you pity them... but nice try at defending your assumptions. My point was... 'Maybe' they want the attention and don't need your pity, and 'maybe' these delusions that other avatars are 'harassing' you are just in your head to begin with.

Maybe...

thank you for correcting my assumptions..... im glad you were in my head as I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. /applause

The trade and whispers were just imaginary figments of a 'first world' male mind....

now excuse me, ive got a womens rights convention to get along to

I only perceived what you wrote based on the definitions of the words you chose and the order you chose to use them in. If you expected different reactions, then you should have chosen different words. Or did you expect every opinion to simply reinforce your assumptions? I really don't know... I only suspect, like any rational mind would.

In my opinion, you are setting a standard PC outrage idea that it is wrong for players to be attracted to cartoon characters, or to admire other players characters appearance. You do this by accusing them of what you 'perceive' as harassment, and then imply that all female players feel harassed like you. However, 'maybe' I am wrong, but the words you chose point in that direction.

Jeez.. give it a rest please. Its a simple question to the wider audience. No intentions or accusations were implied or intended. I didn't expect or appreciate simple queries being dissected in such a manner about where I had put the word 'maybe' in a sentence. If people don't feel harassed, then great. I don't, as I clearly said. It was merely an observation I had found in game in my own experience which clearly you haven't had.

You ended your OP with the word 'problem' in subtle quotes as to imply you felt some type of questionable behavior. This was very clear. So what was the problem then? That female avatars get attention? That's not a problem. You also said you feel sorry for girls who get this type of attention. Why? Or, maybe feel sorry for them, and maybe you don't? Do they need you to feel sorry for them? Or maybe they get the attention, and then you feel sorry for them?

Maybe you are trying to rewrite your OP because you know the original intent, and yea... you don't appreciate me pointing it out... but then maybe you should not have made so many assumptions to begin with. How about YOU give it a rest, because I can keep going. Accept that your OP had some logic errors, and that people on the internet are capable and will point them out if you don't word your sentences more carefully.

I personally want to see MORE hot avatars, and MORE dudes hitting on them. It's funny.

this is verging on stalking now..... clear off

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Your 'problem' is, you believe they are attracted to YOU, and not your avatar. Since when is it a crime to be attracted to cartoon characters? However, I more suspect you had expectations, and now your mind is making them come true.

Suter1972 wrote: »

but I feel sorry for all the female players that maybe get this all this time.

I would also like to point out the assumptions in this statement. You assume female players can't handle and don't want the attention? You really feel sorry for them? First world problems, huh? Do you believe women need your pity?

Still, I don't play a female avatar, because there is a certain awkwardness knowing that others perceive me as a female, but that's just me. If I was playing as a female, and someone payed me a compliment. it would go something like this...

Someone else: "Dude, your avatar is hot."
Me: "ikr"

See, I am still as much a third person in the compliment as everyone else, and I would never take the compliments personally.

wowza.....what a response to a simple question/observation based on FACT I have experienced playing two genders in game in a short space of time.

I can assure you as a 40 something happily married family man I have no 'problem' with thinking people fancy me and not my avatar...

Re the second statement....note the word 'maybe' in there. 'Maybe' defines a random and unknown quantity and not a direct assumption of fact. So no...I don't believe women (I note your generalisation in there) need pity but was purely asking if other players of female characters get additional attention/harassment (irrespective of whether taken in good spirit or not, as mine is)

Thanks to the other posters.... good to hear im not totally alone in noticing this. One extra thing ive noticed, the attention generally comes from newer players and not the high level players that have 'maybe' (added for bryans sake) have seen pretty much everything already

Your use of the word maybe was not used to describe if they 'maybe' uncomfortable, it was used to describe if they 'maybe' get the attention in the first place, which still implies that once they do get the attention, you pity them... but nice try at defending your assumptions. My point was... 'Maybe' they want the attention and don't need your pity, and 'maybe' these delusions that other avatars are 'harassing' you are just in your head to begin with.

Maybe...

thank you for correcting my assumptions..... im glad you were in my head as I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. /applause

The trade and whispers were just imaginary figments of a 'first world' male mind....

now excuse me, ive got a womens rights convention to get along to

I only perceived what you wrote based on the definitions of the words you chose and the order you chose to use them in. If you expected different reactions, then you should have chosen different words. Or did you expect every opinion to simply reinforce your assumptions? I really don't know... I only suspect, like any rational mind would.

In my opinion, you are setting a standard PC outrage idea that it is wrong for players to be attracted to cartoon characters, or to admire other players characters appearance. You do this by accusing them of what you 'perceive' as harassment, and then imply that all female players feel harassed like you. However, 'maybe' I am wrong, but the words you chose point in that direction.

Jeez.. give it a rest please. Its a simple question to the wider audience. No intentions or accusations were implied or intended. I didn't expect or appreciate simple queries being dissected in such a manner about where I had put the word 'maybe' in a sentence. If people don't feel harassed, then great. I don't, as I clearly said. It was merely an observation I had found in game in my own experience which clearly you haven't had.

You ended your OP with the word 'problem' in subtle quotes as to imply you felt some type of questionable behavior. This was very clear. So what was the problem then? That female avatars get attention? That's not a problem. You also said you feel sorry for girls who get this type of attention. Why? Or, maybe feel sorry for them, and maybe you don't? Do they need you to feel sorry for them? Or maybe they get the attention, and then you feel sorry for them?

Maybe you are trying to rewrite your OP because you know the original intent, and yea... you don't appreciate me pointing it out... but then maybe you should not have made so many assumptions to begin with. How about YOU give it a rest, because I can keep going. Accept that your OP had some logic errors, and that people on the internet are capable and will point them out if you don't word your sentences more carefully.

I personally want to see MORE hot avatars, and MORE dudes hitting on them. It's funny.

this is verging on stalking now..... clear off

Smh...

Ok, now that was funny. You win.

When I saw this thread I was really curious to read people's experiences.

I have a lot of Alts and some of them are female though most are male. The female I have played the most is an Argonian witch alchemist Alt so figures I would not get hit on with her.

I wanted to have one character of every race and realised I didn't have a Redguard yet. I decided to make a woman to be a healer character. I thought she will be both a woman and person of colour and unashamedly own it. My concern revolved around not wanting to represent the gender or race in any way that is perceived as derogatory or otherwise causing offence.

I will admit, given I had a lot of characters already by this point I decided to try and make the Wailing Prison tutorial more interesting (didn't want to skip it). I ditched all her soul shriven clothes and decided she would dress as she found bits of armour / clothing around Coldharbour. There was no pervy side in this for me being a gaymer. I mean she wasn't in her underwear that long, I found stuff...I did think it might draw some attention from other players but wasn't too concerned as I was having fun. I think I got a request to group but didn't accept because I was dropping out after training her up a little in Coldharbour and collecting a full set of clothes. I left her in the Wailing Prison until my crafter alt had researched all the required traits to craft her a full set of Redguard training gear.

For me, playing the female Alts can have a bit of feel of playing with and dressing up dolls. I want to make them pretty and find a good outfit and accessories but don't have the attraction based on their appearance. I have too many alts to have a lot of time to spend playing them all. At some point I will need to train them up so it would be good to know what to expect.

Finding a female alt is being played by a man might be off-putting to some and the type of people unsettled by that may find it worse still if they find I am a gaymer too. Oh well, if it gets bad I shall invoke the words of RuPaul and just sashay away.

My first and most experience character is a total bear stereotype. Big beard, stocky, belly and then I kicked it up a notch and he has a bear mount and bear cub pet. Too subtle? I could use the dye rack to dye all his gear the colours of the bear flag. Too much? He has a band or Maria and is single and ready to mingle! Why doesn't anyone hit on him? He will never find a husbear! *sobbing*

I have to chime in with a contrary experience-

I've played all females (as a female) for over 2 years, and only very, very rarely got even a hint of flirt from other players. No random strangers asked to group with me, or trade with me- maybe two "you're cute" whispers, in all that time.

Recently, I decided to make a male character. Since I see so many over-the-top and unrealistic females, I decided to make a ridiculous man. He's a super tall Altmer with big, ripply muscles and is just a little older, with gray beard and Adam-Ant eye stripe. I dressed him in a Primal jerkin so everyone could see his buff majesty... He looks a little like he may be going to a leather bar.

I was so surprised when suddenly I found myself constantly invited to group with people on random quests. People started chatting me up if I was waiting for a world boss or just standing somewhere around town. I got friend requests out of nowhere, pretty frequently.

I notice that not a lot of male avatars are hyper-sexualized. My guy really stands out in a crowd. So it may not just be that players automatically prey on women but not men- it may be that male characters aren't putting themselves out there to be properly objectified. ;p

When I walk around on my male characters I can't stop getting PMs about how sexy my character is and how they would like to ERP me so hard. ^_^

milkbox wrote: »

...I've played all females (as a female) for over 2 years...

Only a female for 2 years? We're married now no debates!

Suter1972 wrote: »

Clearly I made her as attractive as possible to look ...
The same character, now a young woman in a belly dancer outfit ...

I think part of the reason its happening to me is that I like to RP a little. Not in a major sense but when im in a town I like to trot around on my camel and walk into craft zones etc, rather than sprint/jump everywhere. Sometimes I just stand and watch what's going on in a town square and that's when it happens. Not when im running around.

Somehow it tells me you made her with exact purpose to get those stares and whispers, same like this thread.