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Magicka-Based Universal Execute
Ch4mpTW
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Being as stamina users have access to 2-3 universal executes available to them (e.g. Reverse Slice, Steel Tornado, etc.), should magicka users receive a universal execute — being as there currently are none available?
Edited by Ch4mpTW on August 9, 2016 11:22AM Magicka-Based Universal Execute 96 votes
Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.
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58 votes
No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.
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27 votes
It makes no different to me either way.
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11 votes
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.1 -
shadowcoder✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.We got magicka class skills as executes. What we need is a DK magicka execute skill...EU Server DC PC | Azuras Star
Nightblade VR 14 - Arkanios
Templar VR 14 - Anthorios
Dragonknight VR 14 - Grimror
Sorcerer VR 14 - Cyrenee3 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.put it in the mages guild line.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.shadowcoder wrote: »We got magicka class skills as executes. What we need is a DK magicka execute skill...
So by that logic, are you insisting that stamina have its universal executes removed? And have there only be class-based executes...? Because if so, sure. Let's remove the multiple universal stamina executes, and have there only be executes in the form of class-based executes only. No more execute-like benefits from weapon skill trees, and weapon-based executes.
Edited by Ch4mpTW on August 9, 2016 11:30AM0 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Stamina players asked for a heal and they got 2. Rally and vigor. I guess if magicka players are vocal enough they can get execute too. I also think that all executes should start at the same time, probably 25%.Because I can!2 -
BruhItsOver9000✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Yes, but if it's like the templar execute, hell no.WOOD ELF MASTER RACE.0 -
Bad_Company✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.What if they redesigned Soul Trap and its morphs to actually be useful execute abilities that every magicka character can have access to?
No need to work on whole new skill-lines or replace valuable abilities, just redesign one that's pure garbage and not used by anyone.My characters (EU PC):Leopardo Di-Caprio (Khajiit Templar) || Matthew Makehoney (Altmer Sorcerer) || Luck-Luster Burt (Redguard Dragonknight)Clint Histwood (Argonian Templar) || Martin Uber Ping (Redguard Sorcerer) || Louis Farmstrong (Imperial Nightblade)Anthony Hotskins (Altmer Nightblade)2 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It makes no different to me either way.Hum...
Sorc -> Mage's Fury / Endless whatever morph you use
NB -> Impale
Templar -> Radiant Oppression (RO) aka Jesus Beam
DK -> [...]
DK excepted, it wouldn't make that much sense to introduce a single target execute. I guess an AoE one could do.
Honestly, I might as well see a unique debuff increasing damage dealt by magic/fire/cold/lightning by X%, which is an actual buff to magicka DPS, actually requires to sacrifice another ability and improve group buff coordination.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.
NO , the magicka dk is enough powerful , it's why zenimax don't add execute to this class .I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.
but if possible, I will give you sorcerer execute because he is so bad ... i lost DPS when i use it ...
Balace out the difference in power between magicka builds ?!! if on class need a bost in PVE , it's the magicka sorcerer , in a mono rotation he have the most rotten dps . ( nop , don't say me " overload " plz ... only nobrain sorcerer use this ...
Edited by Apherius on August 9, 2016 12:34PM4 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.
NO , the magicka dk is enough powerful , it's why zenimax don't add execute to this class .I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.
but if possible, I will give you sorcerer execute because he is so bad ... i lost DPS when i use it ...
Balace out the difference in power between magicka builds ?!! if on class need a bost in PVE , it's the magicka sorcerer , in a mono rotation he have the most rotten dps . ( nop , don't say me " overload " plz ... only nobrain sorcerer use this ...
What...? How? How is the magicka DK powerful enough? Are we looking at the same class? Of all 4 classes, the Dragonknight class performs weaker than the other 2 by far. How can you honestly make that claim, when: Nightblades, Sorcerers, and Templars all can perform at a higher level than Dragonknights from a magicka point-of-view? Not to mention, all 3 having class-based executes. With Nightblades and Sorcerers also having higher mobility, and means of boosting their crit.
So, if you could please provide some sources or data for me to go off of — I would greatly appreciate it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭I enjoy the variety and differences in weapons and classes, and the combinations of them creating diverse opertunities in playstyles.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.Edited by Ch4mpTW on August 9, 2016 1:18PM0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It makes no different to me either way.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Gotta agree with the first part.
For 2H in PvE, he's right tho, and not just Reverse Slash, 2H is so far behind, it's not even funny. Even if I could get the full execute strength of reverse slash on a boss from 100 to 0%, it still would barely be good enough to compare to a normal DW/Bow rotation with maelstrom weapons. It's not speculation, it's just straight numbers. With poison injection ticking for 25-30k (yes, just a single tick), Rending slashes dealing way more than 50k damage over its duration... No, it's just not good enough.
The only exception is non-competitive vMA, since Rally actually has some use, but still won't get you the best spots on the leaderboard.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Steel Tornado does not proc Sheer Venom which procs on all executes including magicka executes like Impale. That practically proves that it is not an execute. And if you are using it for Single Target finishing, you are doing it wrong. It is same as using Proxy Det. On a single target.
LOL, you don't make sense, if you say a 2H main for PvE. It is not about meta, 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PvE. The only thing carrying stamina DPS for eight months or so are the vMA DW daggers and bow. Find me any sustained DPS build that main 2H instead of DW in PvE and still gets even 30k+ DPS. And when the normal DW spammable hits as hard normally as the 2H execute in execute phases, who would even use 2H. And BTW, I main stamina nightblade, so I always had a good spammable and a great execute to begin with, so it was no case for meta-hopping for me to begin with.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Steel Tornado does not proc Sheer Venom which procs on all executes including magicka executes like Impale. That practically proves that it is not an execute. And if you are using it for Single Target finishing, you are doing it wrong. It is same as using Proxy Det. On a single target.
LOL, you don't make sense, if you say a 2H main for PvE. It is not about meta, 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PvE. The only thing carrying stamina DPS for eight months or so are the vMA DW daggers and bow. Find me any sustained DPS build that main 2H instead of DW in PvE and still gets even 30k+ DPS. And when the normal DW spammable hits as hard normally as the 2H execute in execute phases, who would even use 2H. And BTW, I main stamina nightblade, so I always had a good spammable and a great execute to begin with, so it was no case for meta-hopping for me to begin with.
This man just said a 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PVE... All credibility you have regarding this particular topic in my opinion is now null and void. I can't take your post in this topic seriously anymore. I honestly can't. You are literally acting as though Maelstrom DW weapons have been around for forever, and that 2H'ers in PVE have been complete trash. N'ah bro. I'm gonna give you this "L", and just keep it moving.
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✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Why are there so many people who play one or the other?
Baffles me this stam vs magica divide exists. Why don't people play both? Broaden your horizons!1 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Steel Tornado does not proc Sheer Venom which procs on all executes including magicka executes like Impale. That practically proves that it is not an execute. And if you are using it for Single Target finishing, you are doing it wrong. It is same as using Proxy Det. On a single target.
LOL, you don't make sense, if you say a 2H main for PvE. It is not about meta, 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PvE. The only thing carrying stamina DPS for eight months or so are the vMA DW daggers and bow. Find me any sustained DPS build that main 2H instead of DW in PvE and still gets even 30k+ DPS. And when the normal DW spammable hits as hard normally as the 2H execute in execute phases, who would even use 2H. And BTW, I main stamina nightblade, so I always had a good spammable and a great execute to begin with, so it was no case for meta-hopping for me to begin with.
This man just said a 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PVE... All credibility you have regarding this particular topic in my opinion is now null and void. I can't take your post in this topic seriously anymore. I honestly can't. You are literally acting as though Maelstrom DW weapons have been around for forever, and that 2H'ers in PVE have been complete trash. N'ah bro. I'm gonna give you this "L", and just keep it moving.
So why don't you show me a single video with 30k+ DPS with 2H? Of course you won't, or rather can't. 2H is a bit easier to use in PvE and that's it. If you want max DPS, even without vMA daggers, normal DW always was the go to for PvE.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Why are there so many people who play one or the other?
Baffles me this stam vs magica divide exists. Why don't people play both? Broaden your horizons!
I agree to a certain extent with you, but I feel that magicka should have more options available to it. It isn't so much as a divide in a sense that people need to broaden their horizons more, but in a sense that magicka builds need an equal amount of strong variety as stamina does. There are so many ways you can build "successfully" with stamina, whereas with magicka not too much diversity exists. I mean sure, there are a few niche builds here and there. But, those builds aren't really too "high-end", in a sense that they can perform beautifully no matter where they are taken to.
For example, I can run a "pet build" with my magicka Sorcerer, and clear vMA easily with it; do things like solo world bosses no problem. As well as a variety of other things. But! I can't take it into veteran trials, and have the same amount of success with it. Where as I can take a random niche stamina build into vMA, and clear it easily. Clear world bosses with it easily, and other things. And still bring that very build into veteran trials, and perform beautifully with it. Make sense?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Since @Wrobel for some infathomable reason will not give DK a class execute (as the only class missing it!), at least let us have one through destro staff. Destro staff skills are already sub par except wall.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Steel Tornado does not proc Sheer Venom which procs on all executes including magicka executes like Impale. That practically proves that it is not an execute. And if you are using it for Single Target finishing, you are doing it wrong. It is same as using Proxy Det. On a single target.
LOL, you don't make sense, if you say a 2H main for PvE. It is not about meta, 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PvE. The only thing carrying stamina DPS for eight months or so are the vMA DW daggers and bow. Find me any sustained DPS build that main 2H instead of DW in PvE and still gets even 30k+ DPS. And when the normal DW spammable hits as hard normally as the 2H execute in execute phases, who would even use 2H. And BTW, I main stamina nightblade, so I always had a good spammable and a great execute to begin with, so it was no case for meta-hopping for me to begin with.
This man just said a 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PVE... All credibility you have regarding this particular topic in my opinion is now null and void. I can't take your post in this topic seriously anymore. I honestly can't. You are literally acting as though Maelstrom DW weapons have been around for forever, and that 2H'ers in PVE have been complete trash. N'ah bro. I'm gonna give you this "L", and just keep it moving.
So why don't you show me a single video with 30k+ DPS with 2H? Of course you won't, or rather can't. 2H is a bit easier to use in PvE and that's it. If you want max DPS, even without vMA daggers, normal DW always was the go to for PvE.
Actually I ran a DPS check on Slime craw (edit for correct boss name). Baseline was 32k.
Course, that was 5 hundings, 5 flanking, 1 kena and my back bar is a master's bow. Procced, I had over 4k WD, 67% crit, and of course rearming up.
To say it is impossible to break 30k with 2h is...kinda silly. I fully understand the rest of your argument, that 2h hits harder. Problem is, 2h has way, and I mean WAY more utility. Check it out;
Cleave: underrated dot and when morphed to brawler lets you solo trash packs with reasonable cone AOE damage.
Critical charge: less useful of the bunch, but still perfectly useful when you need to bridie a gap. Also, for stam sorcs with surge up, it is a guaranteed heal.
Uppercut: the bread and butter DPS, may not be as powerful as flurry, but it also has an empower bonus you can use tactically.
Reverse slash: Again, underrated. You tell me mathematically it doesn't make sense to use this because it doesn't hit as hard as flurry, but without numbers I have a hard time believing you. My executioner (better morph for pve by far) hits for 40k+ when the boss is in their last ten percent, and probably about 30-35k from 25 down. Paired with poison inject and master'master's bow enchant, you really can hit crazy numbers.
Momentum: Morph to rally for some serious healing, 2k ticks every second passively, and massive heals when in a pinch. Not to mention unlike dual wield, you don't have to start the fight with a lame dmg attack to buff up, resulting in higher initial DPS because you can start on your terms. Course, you can use a potion, but rally does what you use the potion for for free, and for 32 seconds.
Calling 2h useless in PvE gives me the sense you don't run it. As my healer buddy always says, "dead DPS is 0 DPS". Mistakes happen. When they do, I'm not dropping because I can get wards and massive heals while still doing great damage. Dual wield, I found, doesn't have that. Or at least, I missed it.Edited by DocFrost72 on August 9, 2016 2:14PM1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.DocFrost72 wrote: »Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
...? What? Okay. Numerous red flags in this post that spark my input.
First of all, Steel Tornado isn't an execute? Okay. Let's call it a "pseudo-excute" then, since we're being picky. I mean correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Steel Tornado often used (lol spammed) to finish-off an enemy? Whether it be NPC or player? And what is a finisher, if not an execute? C'mon son. Knock it off. Lol.
Second of all, Reverse Slash is useless in PVE? What? Maybe for some specific builds its useless in PVE, but to call it flat out useless in PVE...? What are you talking about? Have you even mained a 2H before? Because you're coming off as a player who "meta-hops", and gravitates towards the FOTM. Meanwhile casting off anything other than the FOTM as garbage and a waste. Hold this "L" for claiming Steel Tornado isn't an execute, and then another "L" for claiming that Reverse Slash is useless in PVE.
Steel Tornado does not proc Sheer Venom which procs on all executes including magicka executes like Impale. That practically proves that it is not an execute. And if you are using it for Single Target finishing, you are doing it wrong. It is same as using Proxy Det. On a single target.
LOL, you don't make sense, if you say a 2H main for PvE. It is not about meta, 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PvE. The only thing carrying stamina DPS for eight months or so are the vMA DW daggers and bow. Find me any sustained DPS build that main 2H instead of DW in PvE and still gets even 30k+ DPS. And when the normal DW spammable hits as hard normally as the 2H execute in execute phases, who would even use 2H. And BTW, I main stamina nightblade, so I always had a good spammable and a great execute to begin with, so it was no case for meta-hopping for me to begin with.
This man just said a 2H was never a strong DPS weapon for PVE... All credibility you have regarding this particular topic in my opinion is now null and void. I can't take your post in this topic seriously anymore. I honestly can't. You are literally acting as though Maelstrom DW weapons have been around for forever, and that 2H'ers in PVE have been complete trash. N'ah bro. I'm gonna give you this "L", and just keep it moving.
So why don't you show me a single video with 30k+ DPS with 2H? Of course you won't, or rather can't. 2H is a bit easier to use in PvE and that's it. If you want max DPS, even without vMA daggers, normal DW always was the go to for PvE.
Actually I ran a DPS check on Slime craw (edit for correct boss name). Baseline was 32k.
Course, that was 5 hundings, 5 flanking, 1 kena and my back bar is a master's bow. Procced, I had over 4k WD, 67% crit, and of course rearming up.
To say it is impossible to break 30k with 2h is...kinda silly. I fully understand the rest of your argument, that 2h hits harder. Problem is, 2h has way, and I mean WAY more utility. Check it out;
Cleave: underrated dot and when morphed to brawler lets you solo trash packs with reasonable cone AOE damage.
Critical charge: less useful of the bunch, but still perfectly useful when you need to bridie a gap. Also, for stam sorcs with surge up, it is a guaranteed heal.
Uppercut: the bread and butter DPS, may not be as powerful as flurry, but it also has an empower bonus you can use tactically.
Reverse slash: Again, underrated. You tell me mathematically it doesn't make sense to use this because it doesn't hit as hard as flurry, but without numbers I have a hard time believing you. My executioner (better morph for pve by far) hits for 40k+ when the boss is in their last ten percent, and probably about 30-35k from 25 down. Paired with poison inject and master'master's bow enchant, you really can hit crazy numbers.
Momentum: Morph to rally for some serious healing, 2k ticks every second passively, and massive heals when in a pinch. Not to mention unlike dual wield, you don't have to start the fight with a lame dmg attack to buff up, resulting in higher initial DPS because you can start on your terms. Course, you can use a potion, but rally does what you use the potion for for free, and for 32 seconds.
Calling 2h useless in PvE gives me the sense you don't run it. As my healer buddy always says, "dead DPS is 0 DPS". Mistakes happen. When they do, I'm not dropping because I can get wards and massive heals while still doing great damage. Dual wield, I found, doesn't have that. Or at least, I missed it.
Salute to you for understanding how to not only properly use a 2H, but for even going as far as to break things down in an understandable way. I wasn't even going to bother anymore responding to his post, after I read what I read about 2H's being useless in PVE (and supposedly having always been lol). But, much respect to you for explaining it to them.0 -
HighT3chR3dn3ck✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.
You say this as though magicka builds are not more OP than stamina.
To which I'm sure is how you feel and your intent, but I've been stamina builds from day 1 and just changed to a Magicka Sorcer and it feels like I turned on easy mode. If you're having problems as a magicka class, you're just bad at the game for realz. Sowry.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.
You say this as though magicka builds are not more OP than stamina.
To which I'm sure is how you feel and your intent, but I've been stamina builds from day 1 and just changed to a Magicka Sorcer and it feels like I turned on easy mode. If you're having problems as a magicka class, you're just bad at the game for realz. Sowry.
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✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Why are there so many people who play one or the other?
Baffles me this stam vs magica divide exists. Why don't people play both? Broaden your horizons!
I agree to a certain extent with you, but I feel that magicka should have more options available to it. It isn't so much as a divide in a sense that people need to broaden their horizons more, but in a sense that magicka builds need an equal amount of strong variety as stamina does. There are so many ways you can build "successfully" with stamina, whereas with magicka not too much diversity exists. I mean sure, there are a few niche builds here and there. But, those builds aren't really too "high-end", in a sense that they can perform beautifully no matter where they are taken to.
For example, I can run a "pet build" with my magicka Sorcerer, and clear vMA easily with it; do things like solo world bosses no problem. As well as a variety of other things. But! I can't take it into veteran trials, and have the same amount of success with it. Where as I can take a random niche stamina build into vMA, and clear it easily. Clear world bosses with it easily, and other things. And still bring that very build into veteran trials, and perform beautifully with it. Make sense?
Magica sorc has been really strong until this patch. Pvp, trials and vma they were really good.
Magica NB has times when it's really good.
Magica templar is super good currently.
Magica has times were it's stronger than magica. It flip flops. It eventually comes full circle.Edited by Brrrofski on August 9, 2016 2:28PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.Examples OP mentions are not truly universal. Yes, available to all stam users if they choose to use the weapon.
Reverse Slice - using a 2H is a dps loss so not really. DW/bow builds are most common in top dps builds for a reason.
Tornado - aoe and not going to be used in a single target boss fight.
At that, 3 of 4 classes have a magica execute. The 4th class does solid dps without an execute. No real need for a "universal execute.0 -
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✭✭✭✭No, there shouldn't be a universal magicka execute.This is a sneaky way for magicka DK's to get an execute, since sorcs and templars already get one.
If you want a buff DK's. Fine. Ask for one. I'll support it. Don't try to be all shady about it.
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Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.Steel Tornado is not an execute. It scales its damage from 100% health. The proof is that it does not proc Sheer Venom.
The only stamina execute is the Reverse Slash. But it is useless in PvE due to the fact it is tied to the 2H weapon, which is severely weaker than DW.
You can not afford to run Reverse Slash in PvE as just spamming Flurry would give you more damage. The only stamina class with an useable execute in PvE are the Stamina Nightblades who have Killer's Blade.
Ummm, Steel Tornade is indeed an Execute, as is Poison Injection, and as is (as you mentioned) Reverse Slash.
And I agree that Reverse Slash and Steel Tornado are garbage in PvE. Although you did overlook Poison Inject as pretty much every stam toon will Bow backbar and will keep Poison INject on the enemy under 50% health, if not the whole time.
That said, I am not sure the OP is only asking to effect PvE. These are one of those conversations that should take both PvE and PvP into consideration.PS4 NA Server
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Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭Yes, there should be a universal magicka execute.HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »I voted yes, because it would vastly provide an opportunity to balance out the difference in power between magicka builds and stamina. And provide a boost of sorts to magicka DK's, who lack any form of class execute.
You say this as though magicka builds are not more OP than stamina.
To which I'm sure is how you feel and your intent, but I've been stamina builds from day 1 and just changed to a Magicka Sorcer and it feels like I turned on easy mode. If you're having problems as a magicka class, you're just bad at the game for realz. Sowry.
I have only been playing since console release, but with that said...
Up until recently, Mag Sorcs and Stam NBs were both OP in PvP. Yes, DKs had their day wayyyy back when, but those days have been gone for quite some time. Really since console launch PvP was all about Sorcs and NBs.
As for PvE, yup, until recently Mag outperformed stam. However, the pendulum has swung and rather than simply balancing things, stam now greatly out performs magicka. This is largely due to how powerful the Meaelstrom daggers and axes are. None-the-less, stam can easily put out more dps. Hell, with the exception of healers, about the only reason magicka still exists in end-game PvE, such as trials, is because there is not yet a viable stam ranged option and groups are punished by mechanics for stacking in vMoL and vAA.PS4 NA Server
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