What the heck did they do to recovery??? (please revert the changes)

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Seriously I was an imperial, then I changed to Wood Elf and I am suffering more from stamina sustain than I ever was with imperial??

Why did you nerf regeneration, how could this possibly be better for the game.

I've heard a lot of other people complaining about recovery, even if the old recovery was not working as initially intended this is how it should be. Please revert back the recovery changes.

Destruent · August 2016

It was a bugfix not a nerf. Deal with it.

daswahnsinn · August 2016

I've noticed my stamina is not refilling fast at all, even with 2+k regen, but I noticed this before the last patch on my DK.

Kalante · August 2016

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

Destruent · August 2016

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

ADarklore · August 2016

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

Technically the only supporters for those complaining about Magicka regen issues are those also complaining... the fact is, this was a 'FIX' and like with all fixes, nerfs and updates... players will adjust after they re-L2P. This is an MMO, this is typical in all MMOs... things are adjusted, fixed, changed, etc... and players learn to deal and move forward. New players coming in won't know the difference and will be happy playing. Sometimes you have to make adjustments to your gear, switch enchants to regen or cost reduction, etc.

Alcast · August 2016

They finally fixed the bugs.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

ADarklore · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

Well, they did just discover the Reguard passive as incorrectly giving the second and third points 3/s instead of the intended 5/s. So yeah, it's not surprising they could find a bug in thousands of miles of code a couple of years later after coming across it most likely accidentally, not intentionally... as with what happened with Redguard passive.

Alcast · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

Well, they did just discover the Reguard passive as incorrectly giving the second and third points 3/s instead of the intended 5/s. So yeah, it's not surprising they could find a bug in thousands of miles of code a couple of years later after coming across it most likely accidentally, not intentionally... as with what happened with Redguard passive.

They tried to nerf the redguard stamina sustain to keep up with the regeneration nerf, thats all. They never said this was a bug or at least as far as i can remember

Troneon · August 2016

Destruent wrote: »

It was a bugfix not a nerf. Deal with it.

Sorry but that is BS, they just used that as a lame side track reason for another nerf....they just pulled it out of nowhere from their backsides...

Destruent · August 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

It's easier to cry in the forums than to think about the build/groupsupport twice i guess

Troneon · August 2016

They are over compensating for how CP is making everyone super powerful and making most content no challenge at all.....

They are back peddling with stealth nerf and just claiming "we just fixing bugs"...HONEST!11!!

Typical ZOS...

NoMoreChillies · August 2016

improvise adapt and overcome

Leandor · August 2016

Aggravating...

This is topic number eleventyfivethousand on this issue.

Stop reurgitating and start balancing your build. Drop some WD for regen, problem solved.

Dracane · August 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

This is not a "bug" anyone wants to be fixed.

I wouldn't even call this a bug. When regen etc is added multiplicative, then that's how they made it. Sure they can claim it's a bug fix. Truth is, it's simply a nerf to compensate for their CP system. Deal with it

We will see more nerfs like these to compensate.

But I like you too much to argue with you @Destruent . I'm just telling my opinion.
This change has been made and it won't be reverted, so complaining is pointless. But I know the truth

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

You need to learn to manage your resources, we all used to have to do it but it seems some people either forgot how or never learned in the first place.

KochDerDamonen · August 2016

In the same patch they fixed a bug that was causing some people to have higher stats than intended with multiple % based boosts at once, they also introduced a bug that seems to be dropping regeneration ticks. So not only are people with these boosts noticing lower regen, but it's broken so it's even worse too xD

Xeven · August 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

It is a nerf. The regen formula has been the same for well over a year. Anyone who believes it was an unintended bug needs to have their head examined, and I expect more from you.

Wrobel and crew decided to nerf regen. We saw cost increases and resource poisons in DB. Now we are seeing a direct adjustments to the regen formula itself.

Stahp.

Stridig · August 2016

I made a few minor adjustments and I'm only down 100 regen. Just took a little thought and about 10 minutes of work.

Xeven · August 2016

Stridig wrote: »

I made a few minor adjustments and I'm only down 100 regen. Just took a little thought and about 10 minutes of work.

Translation:

I'm a Vampire now. Dawnbreaker me plz.

Vangy · August 2016

The problem with ESO is, bugs take so long to fix that people tend to think that these bugs ARE INTENDED. Its not the fault of the players. Its ZOS. They left this error in the formula for SOOOOOO long that most people have already adjusted their builds around it. NOW they fix it after well over a YEAR. All it would have taken is some simple readjusting of the formulas that some 0.5 yr experience fresh grad programmer could have done in about 30 mins.... Why the took so long to fix it is unbeknownst to me...... But yeah...... Bug fix... RIP

AfkNinja · August 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

It is a nerf. The regen formula has been the same for well over a year. Anyone who believes it was an unintended bug needs to have their head examined, and I expect more from you.

Wrobel and crew decided to nerf regen. We saw cost increases and resource poisons in DB. Now we are seeing a direct adjustments to the regen formula itself.

Stahp.

Percentage stat bonuses like regen were applying multiplicativley. This meant stacking them made each individual one stronger than it should be. A 10%, 20% and 30% bonus multiplied to 71% overall bonus instead of the 60% it should have always been. Call it whatever you want, it was absolutely needed. Power creep is getting out of hand due to no soft caps. We will see more of these changes in the future until they bring back soft caps. A system with no limits is inherently flawed.

KochDerDamonen · August 2016

Vangy wrote: »

The problem with ESO is, bugs take so long to fix that people tend to think that these bugs ARE INTENDED. Its not the fault of the players. Its ZOS. They left this error in the formula for SOOOOOO long that most people have already adjusted their builds around it. NOW they fix it after well over a YEAR. All it would have taken is some simple readjusting of the formulas that some 0.5 yr experience fresh grad programmer could have done in about 30 mins.... Why the took so long to fix it is unbeknownst to me...... But yeah...... Bug fix... RIP

They're just trying to imitate the sp TES titles, only problem is the modding community can't bugfix for them here

/s

Clarkieson · August 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

bug fix? ZOS? are you out of your mind?

ZOS couldn't bug fix, even if they opened up a insect hospital!

Myerscod · August 2016

There's been multiple videos and streams of people completing the new dungeons, veteran maw and veteran sanctum so there is no issue. Its just an adjustment that you'll need to make to your rotation to throw in an extra heavy attack here or there or swap a weapon/spell damage glyph for a recovery / cost reduction glyph.

Izaki · August 2016

Like i said before and always will... No more running around with 5k Weapon damage and 2k Recovery or 3.5k Spell Damage and 2k Recovery... This seems much better. We'll be seeing more variety.

@Alcast This man plays mostly stamina builds. And he doesn't complain. Learn from him crybabies.

code65536 · August 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Man there is no love for stamina. Stamina regen is low.... 'deal with it'..... Meanwhile magicka players have thread pages crying about their magicka regen being low too with a lot of support.

It's the same for magicka and Stamina. The main answer in the other thread is the same. They fixed a bug and that's it. Usually people cry about bugs not being fixed, now ZOS fixes a bug and everyone cries again...i don't get it.

Oh wow they only discovered an obvious bug like this 2 years after release? lol

They wanted to nerf regeneration and so they used this as an excuse

its a BUGFIX not a nerf.

Why are ppl so stubborn.

In this case, a nerf would be "We used to intend for it to be multiplicative, but now we think additive would be better."

A bugfix would be "We always intended for it to be multiplicative, but just realized that we had made it additive all this time."

In either case, it is a change to how a mechanic has worked for a long time, and the only difference being whether @Wrobel justifies it with "oops, we changed our mind" or "oops, we always planned it to be like this". For the player, though, it's not really relevant what reason ZOS gives. It is a de facto nerf if not a de jure one.

pmn100b16_ESO · August 2016

Callous2208 · August 2016

I rarely use this tired and immature forum insult but I think it is called for here. L2P!!! Seriously though. Drop some WD, add some regen, throw in some LA's and HA's and manage your ***. You know, some of us sub par races have been doing it for a long time now.