no honor among thieves

GreySix wrote: »

no honor among thieves

would be a great mode to drag other thieves disrespecting the thieves code through the mud

while the "partners in crime mode" could be when you team up and share the bounty on your heads ,share the gold and all xD

1: Why does it matter if he was from (Insert region of origin here) or not?

2: If you were there first, why was he able to OPEN them all first. You, not first. He was. Deal with it. (IE go to diff town)

3: Level your skills (both the L2P kind AND your leagerman skills)

Honestly, I think you are the rude one here. The whole 'I sawz it first cuz I was here means I OWN this spot, and EVERYONE should automatically know that even if they just logged in, SHEESH' attitude just sucks. No offense, but your the rude player in this case(Just cuz of the silly forum post)

But, as to your idea? That actually would be good, cuz it could cause a rep problem within the thieves guild -Fences refuse to deal with the guy who keeps ratting out other thieves, or put a hit out on the guy who keeps stabbing other thieves in the back, because a out of control rage-monster murdering other thieves in plain view over some idiotic concept of 'ownership' (Amusingly hypocritical considering its about stealing from a THIRD party) would be a great idea.:D

No it's not a level playing field lol, you can't compare a fully leveled ledgermain to a low level one.Why the [SNIP] would you level up any skill if you are already on a LEVEL playing field at level 1? You raise your level to GAIN an advantage.WTF is wrong with people today...(in a spoiled little kids voice) Why should I work for anything!

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1. This is a MMO. Nothing is called "your spot" so don't get entitled to everything and learn to play instead. And no this is not a game of carebear land where everyone needs to get "fair play". Someone spent more time leveling their skills and therefore opens the lock faster, and i don't want to play a game where all thieves are queuing in front of lockboxes with ticket "one at a time"

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If all the capped alliance players join the new players in One Tamriel,
[quote="Daemons_Bane;3204241 Either get better or accept that sometimes they will beat you to it[/quote]
This is again like a motorcycler telling the cycler to get faster to win the race,
makes no sense.

So there will be no level of playing field and thats why this needs to be discussed.

So I take it you are against battle leveling too because it provides a more even playing field?
You have content ostensibly designed for higer level players and lower level players.
Seen players of all alliances will play together in One Tamriel.Means that the higher level characters with legedermain maxerd along with the CP and racials that give a benefit.
It will be unfair competition with new players in the starting areas,where I imagine they are supposed to have a fun introduction to the ways of thieving
Can't y'all see why it would spoil the fun for newer players if there would be no equal playing field?
Well perhaps to split players into level ranges would solve it.

Its not "expecting to be able to do everything at the start"
but "seeing to it that all players are on an even playing field"
It has nothing to do with learning because its a pure advantage in rank.

If all the maxed out players with a clear advantage are mixed with the new players in one Tamriel who have no rank.
You'll see why the higher rank spoils the introduction/fun of new players.
infact it has a term;smurfing.
Playing in much lower skill ranks than is appropriate.
Splitting the players into level range so there is fair competition seems like a logical solution to me.

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As to my origial post,I'd expand the idea and make blowing the cover of other thieves one of the parts of the "no honor among thieves" mode
But this mode can lead to temporary expulsion from the thieves guild.
Partner in crimes would be the mode where you clap hands together and share the bounty on your heads.
You can either donate the profit to a cause,or split profit.

Why would you work towards leveling and getting skills?Because you want to be able to handle the later content designed for advanced players.
The whole idea of battle leveling also was to create an even playing field for players,allowing all different levels to play together.
But here there still is a power gap between new and advanced players.(their legedermain,Champion points,racials,buffs give then an unfair advantage in areas designed for new player)
So the advanced player telling the new player "next time be better at looting first" is like the motercycler telling the cycler to "be faster to win next time"
Makes no sense to say that.
If you'd want to fight over a cookie,pick someone of your own size;not in an area designed for lower skill ranks.
Splitting level ranges would see to it that everyone picks on players of their own size.And then ok,there is no honor of thieves and they can steal in front of each others noses.
But with the condition of an equal playing field.
Splitting players in range levels wouldn't really divide them.As they get to play together or compete once they reach a level range where they can compete fairly.

The reason I created this topic is because I could see this problem become magnified with the release of one Tamriel.
And perhaps I should have thought it over a little longer.
But I was expecting that constructive feedback and suggestions would come by itself which was the only foolish thing to believe on my part thus far.

Since Once Tamriel is tryin to unite players.
It might be better if lockboxes have a level range instead of the players split into level ranges,
If a player who far exceeds the level of a lockboxes loots it,it will not disappear for new players.
(first I wanted to suggest that they stop spawning for players far exceeding the lockbox level but I think the other is better?)

Or what if the advanced thieves have a chance to drop a tool kit for newer players with their hasty manners?
They might contain some poison or drugs to drug the patrolling NPCs with.

With the addition of the mode "no honor among thieves"
(Where several thieves compete the dirty way ,blowing each other's cover,blackjacking the other thief,not following the thieves code and risking temporary expulsion from the thieves guild)
There could be bidding competitions,a guessing game which players can enter for 100 gold.
Where they have to guess how many thieves will be temporary expelled during a certain period of time.
Whichever player's guess was closest to the actual expelled amount of thieves,wins the jackpot of that time period.

maybe there could be different bidding competitions for thieves guild in different regions.
The one of the higher level regions might have higher entry fee?

Also I might update the OP with the expanded concept eventually.
But that depends on how many would like to help

Tipsy wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

If you got to the box first you will have the opportunity to open it .

thats again like the motorcycler telling the cycler "you just have to be faster to win the race"
A maxed out thief can loot many lockboxes while the one with lower chances to instant loot pehaps has to try multiple times

Also as a new thief you can forget it.as its no longer lucrative if another high rank thief shows up and keeps lurking in the area.
Moving on is the best thing to do..I fear this might get problematic in One Tamriel though.
As the high rank can loot like 5 lockboxes while you attempt to lockpick one.Or also try to instant loot and fail several times due to your smaller success chance.

It needs to be playing field because everyone deserves the same chances.

So should a level 10 also expect to run a trial as well? You cannot expect right off the bat to be able to get all the lockboxes. Eventually your skills will go up and your gameplay will become better (not as a direct result of the skills btw). You have to level your skills and your skill. If everyone had the same chance then what would be the point in leveling? You technically can have the same chance you just have to work at it, the bicycle and motorcycle analogy does not really apply as the bicycle will never beat the motorcycle. A proper analogy would be a professional motorcycle racer to someone who just got a class M license. Theoretically you have a chance to become just as good as the racer but it won't happen right away. You will need mods and upgrade to both your bike and your technique kind of how you need to level your skills and your skill in ESO.

@Hallothiel
I think opening up the entire playable world to everyone,no matter their level,is a good thing,
level playing field /battle level will only suck the joy and fun out the game for a griefer who enjoys to smurf in areas where players just start the adventure and gets certain mechanics like lockpicking introduced to them.
Some advanced players might take it as a challenge to use their speed and success chances with lockboxes to grief other players,true.
And obviously the game has enough challenge and fun,why would you play otherwise?And how do you want challenge in the case of thievery and lockboxes?

Just Imagine the increase in density/world population when the entire world plays together,no matter their level

I'd like to quote one key point of Tamriel where I believe they might have overlooked lockboxes and thievery.

"higher level players will be the same "level" as lower level players, but they will have far more tools in their arsenal: better gear, more abilities, and of course more Champion points."

I think thievery and lockpicking is one of the areas of the game where its unfair competition/uneven playing field instead of the "more tools in the arsenal" for advanced players.
And since the entire world opens up to all players(new and advanced alike),will new players even get the chance to get introduced to lockpicking ? ( other than the one door in coldharbour starting area)
So from the release of One Tamriel on there will be no more starting zones for new players and zones for advanced players.
Huge increase in population vs same amount of pickable lockboxes? when it comes to thievery and lockboxes there will be an inappropriate difference in chances between players.
Faster(most of the times instant) and trivial lockpicking difficulty for advanced players vs small chances for new players if they choose not to get sloppy
A new thief can get better(if it is still possible to get 1 chest or lockbox when the entire world population plays together..) and if the player is still able to get better,he'd become the one pestering the new players.
So indirectly the faster advanced players can waste the new player's time and force a bounty on their head by pushing them to try to take the lockbox while the NPCs are looking,just to get one lockbox while the advanced
player instant loots most of them.

Hallothiel wrote: »

I doubt I will ever feel competant enough to try MA (let alone VMA) but there is no damn way I would complain about this and demand that it be made easy for me.

If you reverse it, it is a different story.
And I'll use the analogy of the motorcycler and the cycler again because you love it so much.
If the cycler is tired of pushing his feets on the pedal and says "I want to have it as easy as the motorcycler"
He'll just have to save up to buy a motorcycle.