Joy_Division wrote: »Besides, downloading a cheat engine or going through the trouble of giving yourself 6 mundas stones or being a sorcerer and deliberately giving yourself inner light without it being on your bar is on a whole different level of poor sportsmanship than using a legal set that is overperforming.
Using malubeth as an excuse for dragonblood 1 button BoL insta heal (and comparing it to malubeth) goes to show how many dks were being carried at launch
Joy_Division wrote: »bc I solo and am always zerged. that is all.Master_Kas wrote: »And you do use it against other solo players aswell ?
#Legit
Solo players don't attack fellow solo players. It is against the rules written in the 1vX Handbook by the master tamerlin himself
That's some fine logic there. You don't fight other solo players, meaning you look for outnumbered situations, and because you're outnumbered, you need Malubeth?
Even if I didn't respect other people, I wouldn't use it because I wouldn't feel good about anything I accomplished while wearing it.
The same goes for inarguable forms of cheating. Unless one wants baseless adulation, it's a complete waste of time -- outside of any other ethical concerns.
I'm sure @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is asking about Malubeth @ ZOS HQ, but the only response she receives is "Malu-WHAT??"Malubeth is a no option set. You either run it on your tank or get run over by someone using it on their tank. Don't stand in the blue beam and spam defile debuffs. If your spinning like a ballerina mashing wrecking blow, it's pretty much on you for not knowing how to play.
You can apply this logic to anything. "I only use cheat engine to remain competitive with other players who use cheat engine."
The set is obviously bugged. Anyone who chooses to use it knowing this exposes themselves as having very poor ethics.
No, you won't be banned, but you'll lose respect from other people who won't care enough to tell you.
The word ethics is coming up far too often in the context of video game leisure. This is not civic society, social justice, or the world community we are talking about, arenas where ethics have some sort of relevance outside of the tiny tine number who actually play this fantasy game.
Besides, downloading a cheat engine or going through the trouble of giving yourself 6 mundas stones or being a sorcerer and deliberately giving yourself inner light without it being on your bar is on a whole different level of poor sportsmanship than using a legal set that is overperforming.
Joy_Division wrote: »Besides, downloading a cheat engine or going through the trouble of giving yourself 6 mundas stones or being a sorcerer and deliberately giving yourself inner light without it being on your bar is on a whole different level of poor sportsmanship than using a legal set that is overperforming.
It's not merely OP, there is clear evidence that it is not working properly in a way that provides significant advantages. It's like any other bug many posters in this thread trip over themselves to take advantage of at the unfair expense of other players.
Using malubeth as an excuse for dragonblood 1 button BoL insta heal (and comparing it to malubeth) goes to show how many dks were being carried at launch
potato can be hard to translate, but i think it's saying "fix dragon blood"
Joy_Division wrote: »Besides, downloading a cheat engine or going through the trouble of giving yourself 6 mundas stones or being a sorcerer and deliberately giving yourself inner light without it being on your bar is on a whole different level of poor sportsmanship than using a legal set that is overperforming.
It's not merely OP, there is clear evidence that it is not working properly in a way that provides significant advantages. It's like any other bug many posters in this thread trip over themselves to take advantage of at the unfair expense of other players.
Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.Using malubeth as an excuse for dragonblood 1 button BoL insta heal (and comparing it to malubeth) goes to show how many dks were being carried at launch
potato can be hard to translate, but i think it's saying "fix dragon blood"
Actually, I think it's saying that magic DK is still OP and to buff stam sorc more so it can try-harder to self-inflate its ego.
Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Using malubeth as an excuse for dragonblood 1 button BoL insta heal (and comparing it to malubeth) goes to show how many dks were being carried at launch
potato can be hard to translate, but i think it's saying "fix dragon blood"
Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it, but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
No I'm not aware the set is broken. I also don't own the set. All I know is from the Dev Tracker because I have never relied on players to tell me what's working or not working as intended. It's like asking the kids on the playground what the rules are. It's a 50/50 gamble they're right.
If everyone went by what the PvP players call exploits we wouldn't be able to use half the abilities and sets in the game because at all times there at least one thread on something someone doesn't like being bugged. How in the world would anyone even feel safe to play Cyrodiil if we had to listen to players opinions on what is or is not a bug?
I don't spend money to tip toe around nerf of the week threads! You don't pay my sub and make the rules on where my hard earned money can and can't be used. GTFO.
ZOS has clearly said.
CE is an exploit. Duh. Never used it.
Gap closing into keeps is an exploit. No problem, never tried it.
Boting is an exploit. No kidding. Never tried it.
But it will be a cold day in hell I start listening to a player to tell me what I can and can't do. Just like I don't tell players what builds they can run.
If ZOS says hey, Malubeth is bugged please don't use it. No problem. Don't own it. But if I want to go buy it and use it until We hear that call, no one has any right to name shame and call for public black listing. No one. That's against the code of conduct here if you're so much into the rule book.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it, but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
No I'm not aware the set is broken. I also don't own the set. All I know is from the Dev Tracker because I have never relied on players to tell me what's working or not working as intended. It's like asking the kids on the playground what the rules are. It's a 50/50 gamble they're right.
Thats why you ask the teacher (the experienced) or simply go out there and find out on your own and so far many of the kids in the playground (this thread) aIf everyone went by what the PvP players call exploits we wouldn't be able to use half the abilities and sets in the game because at all times there at least one thread on something someone doesn't like being bugged. How in the world would anyone even feel safe to play Cyrodiil if we had to listen to players opinions on what is or is not a bug?
I don't spend money to tip toe around nerf of the week threads! You don't pay my sub and make the rules on where my hard earned money can and can't be used. GTFO.
ZOS has clearly said.
CE is an exploit. Duh. Never used it.
Gap closing into keeps is an exploit. No problem, never tried it.
Boting is an exploit. No kidding. Never tried it.
But it will be a cold day in hell I start listening to a player to tell me what I can and can't do. Just like I don't tell players what builds they can run.
If ZOS says hey, Malubeth is bugged please don't use it. No problem. Don't own it. But if I want to go buy it and use it until We hear that call, no one has any right to name shame and call for public black listing. No one. That's against the code of conduct here if you're so much into the rule book.
Funny, because all those things u mention that ZOS has a stance on happened because players, like in this thread and many others, reported it and it was only until a dozen threads were made that they addressed them. Only a matter of time before they do the same here
Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it--nor should it--but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
If you disagree that the set is bugged, that is a different discussion entirely.
Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So far ZOS has not said it isn't working as intended and they've had plenty of options to do so. Until that day, I'm going to assume the set is working correctly and I will continue to use it.
Joy_Division wrote: »Besides, downloading a cheat engine or going through the trouble of giving yourself 6 mundas stones or being a sorcerer and deliberately giving yourself inner light without it being on your bar is on a whole different level of poor sportsmanship than using a legal set that is overperforming.
It's not merely OP, there is clear evidence that it is not working properly in a way that provides significant advantages. It's like any other bug many posters in this thread trip over themselves to take advantage of at the unfair expense of other players.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it, but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
No I'm not aware the set is broken. I also don't own the set. All I know is from the Dev Tracker because I have never relied on players to tell me what's working or not working as intended. It's like asking the kids on the playground what the rules are. It's a 50/50 gamble they're right.
Thats why you ask the teacher (the experienced) or simply go out there and find out on your own and so far many of the kids in the playground (this thread) aIf everyone went by what the PvP players call exploits we wouldn't be able to use half the abilities and sets in the game because at all times there at least one thread on something someone doesn't like being bugged. How in the world would anyone even feel safe to play Cyrodiil if we had to listen to players opinions on what is or is not a bug?
I don't spend money to tip toe around nerf of the week threads! You don't pay my sub and make the rules on where my hard earned money can and can't be used. GTFO.
ZOS has clearly said.
CE is an exploit. Duh. Never used it.
Gap closing into keeps is an exploit. No problem, never tried it.
Boting is an exploit. No kidding. Never tried it.
But it will be a cold day in hell I start listening to a player to tell me what I can and can't do. Just like I don't tell players what builds they can run.
If ZOS says hey, Malubeth is bugged please don't use it. No problem. Don't own it. But if I want to go buy it and use it until We hear that call, no one has any right to name shame and call for public black listing. No one. That's against the code of conduct here if you're so much into the rule book.
Funny, because all those things u mention that ZOS has a stance on happened because players, like in this thread and many others, reported it and it was only until a dozen threads were made that they addressed them. Only a matter of time before they do the same here
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Pain and I've listened to you drunk in Brandon's TS.
Those things I listed were already against the rules. Just no one payed attention because ZOS didn't ENFORCE the rules. Brian Wheeler said back in 2015 gap closing into keeps was not intended. CE and boting were written into the TOS at launch.
Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So far ZOS has not said it isn't working as intended and they've had plenty of options to do so. Until that day, I'm going to assume the set is working correctly and I will continue to use it.
Been using the set since way before and have never noticed it giving me over the top healing ticks. Whatever people think is happening, it just isn't happening for me. I'll admit that it is a strong monster set but there are equally strong sets as well.
Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it, but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
No I'm not aware the set is broken. I also don't own the set. All I know is from the Dev Tracker because I have never relied on players to tell me what's working or not working as intended. It's like asking the kids on the playground what the rules are. It's a 50/50 gamble they're right.
Thats why you ask the teacher (the experienced) or simply go out there and find out on your own and so far many of the kids in the playground (this thread) aIf everyone went by what the PvP players call exploits we wouldn't be able to use half the abilities and sets in the game because at all times there at least one thread on something someone doesn't like being bugged. How in the world would anyone even feel safe to play Cyrodiil if we had to listen to players opinions on what is or is not a bug?
I don't spend money to tip toe around nerf of the week threads! You don't pay my sub and make the rules on where my hard earned money can and can't be used. GTFO.
ZOS has clearly said.
CE is an exploit. Duh. Never used it.
Gap closing into keeps is an exploit. No problem, never tried it.
Boting is an exploit. No kidding. Never tried it.
But it will be a cold day in hell I start listening to a player to tell me what I can and can't do. Just like I don't tell players what builds they can run.
If ZOS says hey, Malubeth is bugged please don't use it. No problem. Don't own it. But if I want to go buy it and use it until We hear that call, no one has any right to name shame and call for public black listing. No one. That's against the code of conduct here if you're so much into the rule book.
Funny, because all those things u mention that ZOS has a stance on happened because players, like in this thread and many others, reported it and it was only until a dozen threads were made that they addressed them. Only a matter of time before they do the same here
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Pain and I've listened to you drunk in Brandon's TS.
Those things I listed were already against the rules. Just no one payed attention because ZOS didn't ENFORCE the rules. Brian Wheeler said back in 2015 gap closing into keeps was not intended. CE and boting were written into the TOS at launch.
What im trying to say is that ZOS has shown in the past that they cannot balance this game and only do so when players give them TONS of feedback/threads and i think this is another one of those times.
Its like all the radiant destruction threads that nearly got the skill nerfed until DEVS came in and told everyone it was working as intended (and we STILL get them to this day)
We have no dev response and lots of debate on forums so at the end of the day we're all in the dark and i suppose everything goes. I know that set isnt working right (i used it pre-DB). Sooner or later we will get a response
PainfulFAFA wrote: »
Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Unfair expense. lol yeah it's such a travesty Malubeth tanks can't get easily bursted down in this brain-dead skilless stam meta.
Whether it is true or not that Magicka DKs have balance issues is irrelevant. Should memory hacking also be OK for poor, starving Magicka DKs? (who happen to be a big part of some of the best groups in the game)
This thread is full of the kind of flimsy excuses people come up with to justify doing whatever they want. They come out in every bug discussion.
I'm not calling for anyone to be banned or anything like that. But IMO, anyone who decides to use this set knowing that it's bugged has poor ethics.
@Roechacca Are you legitimately unaware that this set is still broken? I haven't said the word exploit, but knowingly using a broken set is certainly taking advantage of a bug. ZOS may not ban for it, but it's lame and disrespectful to your opponents.
No I'm not aware the set is broken. I also don't own the set. All I know is from the Dev Tracker because I have never relied on players to tell me what's working or not working as intended. It's like asking the kids on the playground what the rules are. It's a 50/50 gamble they're right.
Thats why you ask the teacher (the experienced) or simply go out there and find out on your own and so far many of the kids in the playground (this thread) aIf everyone went by what the PvP players call exploits we wouldn't be able to use half the abilities and sets in the game because at all times there at least one thread on something someone doesn't like being bugged. How in the world would anyone even feel safe to play Cyrodiil if we had to listen to players opinions on what is or is not a bug?
I don't spend money to tip toe around nerf of the week threads! You don't pay my sub and make the rules on where my hard earned money can and can't be used. GTFO.
ZOS has clearly said.
CE is an exploit. Duh. Never used it.
Gap closing into keeps is an exploit. No problem, never tried it.
Boting is an exploit. No kidding. Never tried it.
But it will be a cold day in hell I start listening to a player to tell me what I can and can't do. Just like I don't tell players what builds they can run.
If ZOS says hey, Malubeth is bugged please don't use it. No problem. Don't own it. But if I want to go buy it and use it until We hear that call, no one has any right to name shame and call for public black listing. No one. That's against the code of conduct here if you're so much into the rule book.
Funny, because all those things u mention that ZOS has a stance on happened because players, like in this thread and many others, reported it and it was only until a dozen threads were made that they addressed them. Only a matter of time before they do the same here
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Pain and I've listened to you drunk in Brandon's TS.
Those things I listed were already against the rules. Just no one payed attention because ZOS didn't ENFORCE the rules. Brian Wheeler said back in 2015 gap closing into keeps was not intended. CE and boting were written into the TOS at launch.
What im trying to say is that ZOS has shown in the past that they cannot balance this game and only do so when players give them TONS of feedback/threads and i think this is another one of those times.
Its like all the radiant destruction threads that nearly got the skill nerfed until DEVS came in and told everyone it was working as intended (and we STILL get them to this day)
We have no dev response and lots of debate on forums so at the end of the day we're all in the dark and i suppose everything goes. I know that set isnt working right (i used it pre-DB). Sooner or later we will get a response
I have no issue with reporting what you think is broken Pain, I encourage it. I will submit feedback too if I can ever get this test center working again.
But I advise against following around this forum crowd looking to black list players for doing something or using somethings ZOS has not said is broken yet. You've been around long enough to remember the calls for bans on people animation canceling. Those jerks couldn't get a group to safe their life months after Wrobel gave an air hug to animation canceling and said he's embracing it. How embarrassing was that for those people?! You're too good a player and a guy to act like that on the forums.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »
Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.
And this fix was wrong? Why should any skill or proc be double-penalized by Battle Spirit? Your not showing me anything new. And as I said, those insane ticks that people claim to be getting are not happening for me. So I see nothing wrong with using something that is working correctly on me.
PainfulFAFA wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »
Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.
And this fix was wrong? Why should any skill or proc be double-penalized by Battle Spirit? Your not showing me anything new. And as I said, those insane ticks that people claim to be getting are not happening for me. So I see nothing wrong with using something that is working correctly on me.
The fix is two fixes:
1) a "fix" to the tether being cut in half (instead of doing 3k like before it will now do twice as much,)
2) a fix to healing based on damage done while the 2nd bonus was active (Sweeps, Surge, Inhale)
The first fix is whats making the heals stronger because it ignores battlespirit and I strongly believe this "fix" was unintended/overlooked