Sanct16 wrote: »

@Zheg

Thanks for sharing. I always thought the cooldown would be global so I was quite underwhelmed by it. If its actually a cd per target it changes everything.

Roechacca wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

link me chief

Sorry - forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwl4MIl2A4k

@ataggs youre in there too bro. Sick nasty small scale PvP from this healer. But I guess these 300CP guys are 'more competitive' being on trueflame! Look out for the light attacks hitting wall from recorder.

That's my healer, Jurassic Punk. Why was I brought into this?

I click the mouse button to what ever music beat is playing. It's an old habit. It's not "light attacking the air".

Nifty2g wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@KenaPKK the TG patch is what solidified all feelings that ESO will never get to a good place balance wise for pvp. As you said, they went too far, but that is largely because the playerbase has great difficulty viewing balance outside of their small box. The gutting of purge and rapids didn't come out of no where, it came because of the 'smallman is the only respectable way to play large-scale RvRvR pvp' mindset. People got so focused on numbers it reached levels of insanity. I had endless arguments with frozn with him telling me if we ran 16 it was ok, if we ran 18 we caused all the lag. It's insanity. Fengrush was party to much of that because of his intense desire to rambo large groups and expect to win. Yes, the combat team is lost and likely will never be able to get to a good place, but the playerbase is beyond saving too. Much of the damage was self-inflicted.

They could fix lag and get good balance and most of the VE members that have fully quit would never come back (I'd never go back to full-time play) because there is zero trust in ZOS and the playerbase is what it is. Part of the reason I'm such a cranky old man on the forums is because of the very community leaders you reference fostering the hatred of the very groups that cyrodiil was structured around; it's not to place all blame on one person, this was a group effort. The well has been poisoned, players see a group of 16 fighting over keeps and are disgusted. How, exactly, do you save an RvRvR game like that?

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.

I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.

I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.

Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w

I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.

The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD

Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.

The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that . Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.

I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
Current count: 5 VEs triggered

I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.

I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.

So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.

Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.

Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.

Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.

If we ever see a buff with this set, it would be interesting to be paired with combat phys

In the current fighting style of pvp, you either fight another group, or are fighting mass numbers bogged down in roots and snares. For group fights, you almost always see them coming, so you get rapid regen on everyone prior to the bomb, and then focus on healing springs/healing ward depending on health bars. As I said, with fasallas and how many heal debuffs there are now, many times your normal heals are not doing anything and the shield component goes farther than you ever could with a breath or regular healing springs. The shield also helps deal with the prox bomb and eliminate crit hits for one or two during a bomb and that can determine the tide of the fight.

For the larger zergs where you can't move, healing springs is the best heal to rely on. Think of it this way nifty, how much HPS am I losing by not running sets with stronger spell damage/magicka - not all that much. I'm gaining free shields though, that alone makes it worthwhile. The shield happens outside of my normal healing, I'm using almost the same skills I would be anyway, but getting 5.1k shields on everyone in addition. In a game driven by burst, it's a life-saver. You just need to make sure you're not standing in bad places and watching yourself because you can go down quickly if you dont have your shield up and aren't paying attention.

Trust me, you don't need to write out the basics of healing, I'm well aware you don't need to try and shift it to make it seem like I have no idea. I'm just highly curious to see this in action from your point of view so I can see how many of the shields go out and how well it goes in a raid setting. Cause until I see that, I don't think my opinion will change based on what I have experienced with this set.

I am a huge fan of twilight remedy recently and because I have a great set up to run for it which is seemingly impossible for people to get pretty much and thanks to fengrush for pointing it out, it's pretty decent
I have the necklaces, rings, sword and shield



That's my current tooltip with it, and it doesn't have a cooldown. I'm not exactly in the best gear right now to show it off though

KenaPKK wrote: »

@Nifty2g does Lunar Bastion have an internal cooldown of its own or does it proc every time you activate a synergy?

Also do the little shield procs stack with each other?

None of the new trial sets have a cooldown

PrinceFabious wrote:

Im just here to shut down your ego like I have been in every "VE BEST GUILD" thread. I mean, the only people who come to defend it are more VE members which actually helps my point.
That is all.
Also, @Zheg called me a bad troll but yet more than 100 comments in and we somehow ended up with his build being laughable in non-zerg pvp and a video of VEs cute attempt of small scaling which resulted in them getting smacked by 4 300cp players.
Goodnight! Cya on the forum battlefields tomorrow.
Lets see how many VE members I just triggered and how many irrelevant/useless Kena responses I get by the morning. Oh boy!

Zheg wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Combat Physician is garbage. It only effects on ally. Spell power Cure is much much better.

Youre misinformed. Youre welcome to your opinion on the set, but it procs on you, it procs on multiple allies at the same time. SPC is excellent but affects 4 people max, it also does nothing to combat the meta elements i identified as problematic to healing - fasallas and heal debuffs, and even negates.

ataggs wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

link me chief

Sorry - forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwl4MIl2A4k

@ataggs youre in there too bro. Sick nasty small scale PvP from this healer. But I guess these 300CP guys are 'more competitive' being on trueflame! Look out for the light attacks hitting wall from recorder.

That's my healer, Jurassic Punk. Why was I brought into this?

I click the mouse button to what ever music beat is playing. It's an old habit. It's not "light attacking the air".

There is really no good reason.Fengrush got his feelings hurt and so he is going to look for any way to retaliate. I died there... I die alot. I'm not good,at all. I guess that is the point? And to Prince Fabious, of course we are going to hop in and defend a friend. It is a reflection of the respect we have for Zheg.

Fengrush, I'm not a bro. Lots of girls play this game, some (unlike me) are really good at at.

Ishammael wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Venatus will be playing CU & already have some allies lined up. Will be interesting to see which realms everyone ends up fighting on. Looking forward to fighting against familiar faces.

I will be surprised if they launch Beta before December.

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Venatus will be playing CU & already have some allies lined up. Will be interesting to see which realms everyone ends up fighting on. Looking forward to fighting against familiar faces.

I will be surprised if they launch Beta before December.

Yeah I know, we've actually been following the game for awhile now -.- I think Cloneinkk backed the game well over a year ago lol.