Strongest Healing Build In This Meta - a parting gift

Egocanemveresum · July 2016

I don't usually post just read the forums instead. I have run with Zheg on both factions and his build has saved our rear more times then I can count. I run a healer build that is slightly different but that is my own reasons. The current beta that we are in is completely toxic and it works for the mid to large size groups without a question from my experience.

FYI this is a mule account not my main account that is why I don't have my character names on it.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Lol
Transmutation/Fasallas is still a ton better
But thank you for sharing what you run in a 24 man ball group lol

My group has big balls. Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

KenaPKK · July 2016

krobin02 wrote: »

I don't usually post just read the forums instead. I have run with Zheg on both factions and his build has saved our rear more times then I can count. I run a healer build that is slightly different but that is my own reasons. The current beta that we are in is completely toxic and it works for the mid to large size groups without a question from my experience.

FYI this is a mule account not my main account that is why I don't have my character names on it.

Sounds like someone from VE ts.

But in all seriousness, yea this is an excellent set for healing large groups. I don't think anyone would have denied that. It's just overlooked. That grind....that no impen....ZOS throw us a bone here.

But also serious, if they would just fix the damned bombard root, it wouldn't be nearly as "toxic" a meta.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You are right. I dont run 24 people to dedicate one set per 2 healers lololololol

I know you think you're trolling, and I know you think you're good at it, but you're not. You never were.

I know you think you're a decent player, and I know you truly believe that, but you're not. You never were. You are only a heal bot in a 24 man zerg.

I ran this build when our group size averaged 16 or less. Though I could keep up 24 with this, if you were in group that would probably drop to only being able to keep up 23.

@Zheg , First don't quit, just chill on the game a bit. That's what I do. No MMO stays fresh forever, but you can still generate fun from them for years. This is one reason I really like my lifetime DCUO, TSW and STO memberships. I can still come back to these every so often, and when I do there is often hordes of content and still lots of friends playing these games. Second, I have to say @PrinceFabious should tone it down a notch. Honestly why do people have such disdain for players who DO want to be large group healers? This isn't Halo or Counterstrike, its an MMO, and if you can't accept healers in pvp you're not in the right genre. I'm not the healer type, but I've had a lot of friends who were, and there's no reason to knock these people whether they play in big or small groups.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

Francescolg wrote: »

The strongest heal-spec for medium scale battles, imho, is Combat Physician + Trinimac's valor ++ on a DK healer (no other class can max. their profit from trinimac's valor).

I already stated in February that Combat Physician & Trinimac's Valor perform by far too well on a DK but ZOS ain't interested.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246471/healing-in-eso-too-easy-combat-physician-trinimacs-valor-dk-igneous-shield-magma-shell#latest

To be sincere, very fortunately for Cyrondil, there aren't many DK-healers who know this, how to make profit out of this sets and the ones who know, are still not enough (in numbers) to matter in pvp-balance (plus soo0 many people think a healer must be a Templar, bacause this class is soooo OP.. [total BS]..., many don't even understand the term: "bubble healer").
Nonetheless, this set-combination needs to be looked at, as trinimac's valor is -by far- proc'ing too often. If a PvP group stays close together, you pop 5k trinimac's-ae heal as good as every second.. (while spamming HoT, Bubble Healing ward and Igneous Shield) (oh, and no need to discuss, I won't even answer after this one^^).

As soon as race-change will come to the game, you might see more DK-healers in Cyro.

City of Heroes was my first MMO so I was very aware of bubble healers. This is actually why my Dunmer DK was always meant to play as either bubble healer or mage, depending on mood. In the early game I also recognized that the build wasn't very good to start, but I had a long game in mind, and assumed they would improve upon it (which they did). The same holds true for nightblades, the concept behind nightblade was very strong it just needed tweaking (which they did). I've also not had time to really play him like I want lately, but the concept is still very cool and something I've intended to build upon. (It was a v16 character though) While Argonian is likely going to be a better pick, I'm happy with the Dunmer choice for this. They have strong magicka, and honestly the bonus fire damage can't hurt even on a healer, the same holds true for fire resist and the bonus stamina.

donJay · July 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

donJay wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.
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Read these quotes here. Are these not coming from the same kid who has been constantly trying to get the last word in every forum post when he feels insulted? I can guarantee you, he will reply to this post trying to validate his maturity or something else to make him seem like the better man or justo plain right. I've read enough threads to know you are literally the problem you speak of in your above quotes. You are a forum warrior who gets massively insulted when a strand of hair gets misplaced. I bet your in game isn't nearly as strong as your forum game because I still don't know you. Can't wait for his reply. Just wait for it. Forum warrior is coming to try and belittle me.

You legit just slammed someone and called them a forum warrior, and followed it up by saying hey guys just you wait, he'll be here any minute to reply back with negativity

What colour is the sky in your world peaches?
Take another 4 months off, you still haven't calmed down from the last time you rage quit.

Guess what? He didn't reply back

now sit back down before you pop a blood vessel

P.s. It only took some acknowledgment on his behavior for him to finally have some self control to refrain from that instant self-defense complex, which is the only thing I wanted

PrinceFabious · July 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You are right. I dont run 24 people to dedicate one set per 2 healers lololololol

I know you think you're trolling, and I know you think you're good at it, but you're not. You never were.

I know you think you're a decent player, and I know you truly believe that, but you're not. You never were. You are only a heal bot in a 24 man zerg.

I ran this build when our group size averaged 16 or less. Though I could keep up 24 with this, if you were in group that would probably drop to only being able to keep up 23.

@Zheg , First don't quit, just chill on the game a bit. That's what I do. No MMO stays fresh forever, but you can still generate fun from them for years. This is one reason I really like my lifetime DCUO, TSW and STO memberships. I can still come back to these every so often, and when I do there is often hordes of content and still lots of friends playing these games. Second, I have to say @PrinceFabious should tone it down a notch. Honestly why do people have such disdain for players who DO want to be large group healers? This isn't Halo or Counterstrike, its an MMO, and if you can't accept healers in pvp you're not in the right genre. I'm not the healer type, but I've had a lot of friends who were, and there's no reason to knock these people whether they play in big or small groups.

Ive said it many times. If you label your thread "GREATEST _____ BUILD/GUILD" I will come after you. Specifically to zerglings who wiped to 4 300cp players. Be more humble. State.."Large 24 man raid Heal build right here" but saying its the best..lololol laughable. I dont disdain him because of his choices to play ONLY in a zerg. I dont like his attitude on how high and mighty he is for being a heal bot in a 24 prox group. Nothing less, nothing more.
Thats all we ask. Just dont be a *** about it

timidobserver · July 2016

I would do it a little different, but the build looks legit to me for anything coordinated with at least 12 people in the group.

The results of the below thread may make it more viable for anyone that wants to spend 6 months farming it in impen.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279298/the-impenetrable-trait-item-sets#latest

Zheg · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You are right. I dont run 24 people to dedicate one set per 2 healers lololololol

I know you think you're trolling, and I know you think you're good at it, but you're not. You never were.

I know you think you're a decent player, and I know you truly believe that, but you're not. You never were. You are only a heal bot in a 24 man zerg.

I ran this build when our group size averaged 16 or less. Though I could keep up 24 with this, if you were in group that would probably drop to only being able to keep up 23.

@Zheg , First don't quit, just chill on the game a bit. That's what I do. No MMO stays fresh forever, but you can still generate fun from them for years. This is one reason I really like my lifetime DCUO, TSW and STO memberships. I can still come back to these every so often, and when I do there is often hordes of content and still lots of friends playing these games. Second, I have to say @PrinceFabious should tone it down a notch. Honestly why do people have such disdain for players who DO want to be large group healers? This isn't Halo or Counterstrike, its an MMO, and if you can't accept healers in pvp you're not in the right genre. I'm not the healer type, but I've had a lot of friends who were, and there's no reason to knock these people whether they play in big or small groups.

Ive said it many times. If you label your thread "GREATEST _____ BUILD/GUILD" I will come after you. Specifically to zerglings who wiped to 4 300cp players. Be more humble. State.."Large 24 man raid Heal build right here" but saying its the best..lololol laughable. I dont disdain him because of his choices to play ONLY in a zerg. I dont like his attitude on how high and mighty he is for being a heal bot in a 24 prox group. Nothing less, nothing more.
Thats all we ask. Just dont be a *** about it

If only i cared about what you think. Alas ...

Continue ranting, maybe someone will find you a padded room.

Fasoo · July 2016

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

PrinceFabious · July 2016

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

I heard dreadlords is the best sewer guild post IC? True or false? @Fasoo

Fasoo · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

I heard dreadlords is the best sewer guild post IC? True or false? @Fasoo

ya

Satiar · July 2016

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

Here's hoping CU even comes out before I'm 80

KenaPKK · July 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

I would do it a little different, but the build looks legit to me for anything coordinated with at least 12 people in the group.

The results of the below thread may make it more viable for anyone that wants to spend 6 months farming it in impen.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279298/the-impenetrable-trait-item-sets#latest

OMG THANK YOU FOR LINKING THIS

EVERYONE FLOOD THIS PLEASE

(*ahem* perhaps mention the IC dungeon sets specifically and throw a bit in about bind on equip and jewelry and weapons and....)

I really want to try Sheer Venom, Toxic Defiance, and now Combat Physician, and I know a PvP tank who wants Leeching.

Talk about added build diversity. Increasing the PvP availability and viability of these sets would be basically like a whole new expansion. ZOS impen plsssssss!!

donJay · July 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

Here's hoping CU even comes out before I'm 80

#playingparagonwhilewewait

Lyar09 · July 2016

Khole is gonna be on CU as well

timidobserver · July 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

Here's hoping CU even comes out before I'm 80

Based on what I saw on the news section of their website, it won't be soon. Grouping with other players isn't even supported yet.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

Khole is gonna be on CU as well

Why did K-Hole break up / decide to leave anyway?

SubtleHate · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Khole is gonna be on CU as well

Why did K-Hole break up / decide to leave anyway?

Because ESO sucks and is broken if I had to guess

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

donJay wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

Here's hoping CU even comes out before I'm 80

#playingparagonwhilewewait

#overwatchOP

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

Generally I am the sort who -can- get grouchy and say something brusque, but I'm not the sort to hold grudges either if someone comes off rude to me one time. I've actually played with and against @FENGRUSH and I've got no problem with the guy. I've had disagreements and agreements with him on the forums. His shows are entertaining enough usually. My only recommendation to him is to keep his critique videos down to a shorter elapsed time, but you can't fault the guy his passion when he plays the game so much, and I think people should give content creators like him a little room for error. I'm not really knocking him for that, but that's literally the only critique I can grant Feng and after so much play its easy to let it go. It is hard to keep it professional and cool day in and day out with hours a day of streaming. A little forgiveness is warranted. When I played STO I use to really love the STOKED cast, Matt and Jeremy. When Jeremy signed on with STO though it killed the show, and Matt had to go get another job because the entire interplay was killed. It was the best VLOG series I've seen for an MMO in my view, and had those two stuck it out I think they would have hit gold. The point I'm making is that the 'magic' can't happen 24/7 every year for a streamer, and as a viewer you should grant these guys a little forgiveness if you enjoy watching them.

I've personally not found the right type of streamer for me yet on ESO. While Deltia isn't a pvp'er specifically I'd say I probably enjoy his format the most. I love the way he brings in other good players like @Sypher to his show, and brings in a wide variety of perspectives. I don't agree with everything Deltia says, but I don't agree with everything anyone says. In fact, I don't even agree with some of the things I've said. Nothing on ESO has made me want to make sure and view the weekly podcast like STOKED did though, and ESO is probably my favorite MMO. Perhaps I've just been too busy with other concerns to sit down and watch other people playing a game or review and discuss the game. This is my cry to you streamer community though, look at STOKED and try to make something like that! There are a few and they're pretty good, I'm just recommending that you check out the way STOKED did it, and try to copy some of the soul of that series. I think what STOKED did well is it discussed every aspect of the game, and made room for every kind of player. STOKED brought up series Star Trek nerd lore. Before STO I knew almost nothing about Star Trek, and now I'm probably a Trekkie level nerd :P which says a lot about STO and STOKED. I think a similar podcast could do the same thing for ESO. One started to but fizzled out before the game went live (they weren't happy about the Imperial sale). They also had top pvp'ers come on their show, top raiders, interviewed developers, discussed upcoming content, concerns of the players, etc. It was fantastic. Someone needs to come up with a show like this, and link in all of the other groups of great streamers out there. You'd get a viewer out of me if you guys did that. I like watching Sypher and Feng pvp (always had respect for his Stamina Orc Sorc, particularly because it went against the grain back then) I just don't feel like viewing only that. I'd rather have someone else give me cool highlights and link me in. I think an independent gamer group who does a regular podcast could possibly do what ZOS does better, because it would come from the players and our perspective.

Zheg · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I would do it a little different, but the build looks legit to me for anything coordinated with at least 12 people in the group.

The results of the below thread may make it more viable for anyone that wants to spend 6 months farming it in impen.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279298/the-impenetrable-trait-item-sets#latest

OMG THANK YOU FOR LINKING THIS

EVERYONE FLOOD THIS PLEASE

(*ahem* perhaps mention the IC dungeon sets specifically and throw a bit in about bind on equip and jewelry and weapons and....)

I really want to try Sheer Venom, Toxic Defiance, and now Combat Physician, and I know a PvP tank who wants Leeching.

Talk about added build diversity. Increasing the PvP availability and viability of these sets would be basically like a whole new expansion. ZOS impen plsssssss!!

Why bother with impen when you can get prosperity on IC sets... i also really wanted to go leaching on my last-hoorah templar build, but went bastion of heartland for old school nostalgia and 1 more whopping piece of impen than leeching.

How do you find faith to keep playing the game when they take impen off monster shoulder chests? Seriously. That wasnt a bug, it was a conscious decision. No faith in the combat/itemization team.

SubtleHate · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I would do it a little different, but the build looks legit to me for anything coordinated with at least 12 people in the group.

The results of the below thread may make it more viable for anyone that wants to spend 6 months farming it in impen.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279298/the-impenetrable-trait-item-sets#latest

OMG THANK YOU FOR LINKING THIS

EVERYONE FLOOD THIS PLEASE

(*ahem* perhaps mention the IC dungeon sets specifically and throw a bit in about bind on equip and jewelry and weapons and....)

I really want to try Sheer Venom, Toxic Defiance, and now Combat Physician, and I know a PvP tank who wants Leeching.

Talk about added build diversity. Increasing the PvP availability and viability of these sets would be basically like a whole new expansion. ZOS impen plsssssss!!

Why bother with impen when you can get prosperity on IC sets... i also really wanted to go leaching on my last-hoorah templar build, but went bastion of heartland for old school nostalgia and 1 more whopping piece of impen than leeching.

How do you find faith to keep playing the game when they take impen off monster shoulder chests? Seriously. That wasnt a bug, it was a conscious decision. No faith in the combat/itemization team.

It's actually a pretty smart decision if you look at it from their perspective. This means that in order to get "PvE traits" you have to PvE and to get "PvP traits" you have to PvP. Now if you want/need a mix of both you HAVE to do both. The undaunted vendor has been changed from being an alternative way for PvPers to get gear into another grind/time sink. This increases the amount of hours played and thus increases the amount of money ZOS makes. Is it dumb from a player perspective? Absolutely. Is it a smart business decision? Absolutely. It's the same rationale they had for nerfing all of the OG grind spots.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You are right. I dont run 24 people to dedicate one set per 2 healers lololololol

I know you think you're trolling, and I know you think you're good at it, but you're not. You never were.

I know you think you're a decent player, and I know you truly believe that, but you're not. You never were. You are only a heal bot in a 24 man zerg.

I ran this build when our group size averaged 16 or less. Though I could keep up 24 with this, if you were in group that would probably drop to only being able to keep up 23.

@Zheg , First don't quit, just chill on the game a bit. That's what I do. No MMO stays fresh forever, but you can still generate fun from them for years. This is one reason I really like my lifetime DCUO, TSW and STO memberships. I can still come back to these every so often, and when I do there is often hordes of content and still lots of friends playing these games. Second, I have to say @PrinceFabious should tone it down a notch. Honestly why do people have such disdain for players who DO want to be large group healers? This isn't Halo or Counterstrike, its an MMO, and if you can't accept healers in pvp you're not in the right genre. I'm not the healer type, but I've had a lot of friends who were, and there's no reason to knock these people whether they play in big or small groups.

Ive said it many times. If you label your thread "GREATEST _____ BUILD/GUILD" I will come after you. Specifically to zerglings who wiped to 4 300cp players. Be more humble. State.."Large 24 man raid Heal build right here" but saying its the best..lololol laughable. I dont disdain him because of his choices to play ONLY in a zerg. I dont like his attitude on how high and mighty he is for being a heal bot in a 24 prox group. Nothing less, nothing more.
Thats all we ask. Just dont be a *** about it

Fair enough. I don't really take 'best' to mean much of anything, except maybe 'pretty good' in large part because I'm blasted by sales pitches on a regular basis. ~Caveat Emptor~

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fengrush is not irrelevant.

We're allowed our opinions. It's a running thing with him and me, his ego is held very near and dear to his heart.

Ironically enough, technically it is true that he is a salty person gkicked from VE xD

I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."

And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.

The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.

Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.

I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.

Aren't lag and balancing the two big problems that VE has with the game?

The lag has been improving steadily patch by patch. I know you remember the slide show, meteor / Dawnbreaker spam disgrace that was raiding in 1.6 -- you were standing beside me in group every night for months through it. I know you guys like playing the map up in TF prime time, but there are places in the game where 50+ people fight 50+ people with zero lag. Sometimes there are more people involved. Our computers used to stand up and walk out the door when that happened.

ZOS has a lot of work to do with balancing the game, but they've shown willingness to listen to our ideas in the past, albeit limited resources to commit to the cause. We wanted aoe caps gone -- well they couldn't commit to that, but they took the time to give us VD. We complained that heals are overtuned -- they gave us Fasalla's. We wanted dynamic ultimate back -- they gave us Tava's and the upcoming Gossamer set. Those alone are HUGE for playing outnumbered. We complained that LoS healing was bs -- they took it out. We complained that 24 man ball groups could pile drive through a less organized keep defense of twice as many people (sorry, but as fun as those fights were, that was op) -- they gave us forward camps back and gutted barrier and Rapids and purge.........

Ok those last changes went way too far as a whole, but we're getting places. They're already increasing the timer on FC respawns. They're listening, and although they are slow and don't seem to be terribly good at balancing, they're trying. They can learn.

Maybe I am just stubbornly optimistic, but I just can't comprehend giving up and leaving when there's hope.

And in my opinion, the community is partly to blame for the slow response to balance issues. Just look at how we act on these forums.

Edited for autocorrect silliness.

I definitely don't agree with you on everything @KenaPKK but I like the attitude here. I think there is room for big and small groups. I personally enjoy hunting solo, duo, in small groups of 4, or massive multi-guild swarms that horde over a keep. It gives me goosebumps thinking back to when Angry Joe was around screaming as we would go to take a keep. It was fun even though we didn't know what the hell we were doing back then. The important thing is to remember why we're here: To have fun. A little rivalry is good but it can go too far if we get into the namecalling and pissing matches.

frozywozy · July 2016

Zheg wrote: »

@KenaPKK the TG patch is what solidified all feelings that ESO will never get to a good place balance wise for pvp. As you said, they went too far, but that is largely because the playerbase has great difficulty viewing balance outside of their small box. The gutting of purge and rapids didn't come out of no where, it came because of the 'smallman is the only respectable way to play large-scale RvRvR pvp' mindset. People got so focused on numbers it reached levels of insanity. I had endless arguments with frozn with him telling me if we ran 16 it was ok, if we ran 18 we caused all the lag. It's insanity. Fengrush was party to much of that because of his intense desire to rambo large groups and expect to win. Yes, the combat team is lost and likely will never be able to get to a good place, but the playerbase is beyond saving too. Much of the damage was self-inflicted.

I enjoy when @Zheg doesn't quote my name properly in a thread and then speculate on what I have said in the past with an entirely wrong approach, something he knows deeply inside him but refuses to admit just for the sake to bash on me to make him feel better at night.

I've never said that running 16 was right and running 18 was causing all the lag. I said at least 15 times in the debate regarding 24men ballgroups and the lag they create that 16 was the perfect balance between quality game play (being competitive and being able to capture objectives and focus on map control) and performance wise. Running 17 > Running 18 > Running 19 > Running 20 > Running 21 > Running 22 > Running 23 > Running 24. During patch 1.6, running 24men with 3/4 timing proximity detonation at the same time while spamming purges affecting 24 players, healing springs on top of all aoe skills while running inside a well defended keep against another 24men ballgroup running the same setup was chaotic.

Since Vehemence stopped such behaviours, on top of Wheeler addressing performances and releasing several LoS fixes, abilitiy range changes, etc, we have had much better results and we barely see those 10k ping spikes anymore. I barely go higher than 800ms anymore in 90% of large scale fights.

@Zheg you gotta learn to quote people properly if you wanna talk about what I've supposedly said in the past and you gotta learn to not twist my words around to give you more credibility.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.

Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?

What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.

Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas

I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.

I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...

They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.

link me chief

Sorry - forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwl4MIl2A4k

@ataggs youre in there too bro. Sick nasty small scale PvP from this healer. But I guess these 300CP guys are 'more competitive' being on trueflame! Look out for the light attacks hitting wall from recorder.

This coming from a guy that uses malubeth and QQs about healing in the game and everything else lmfao
Only thing i see in that video is 4 dead AD bodies in the cubby followed by 10-15 blues.... At nikel gate...... In TF..... We all know how quickly those 10-15 turn to a zerg. Im not in VE but theyre playing on their AD toons(their 3rd re-roll) and most of them arent even maxed out.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You are right. I dont run 24 people to dedicate one set per 2 healers lololololol

I know you think you're trolling, and I know you think you're good at it, but you're not. You never were.

I know you think you're a decent player, and I know you truly believe that, but you're not. You never were. You are only a heal bot in a 24 man zerg.

I ran this build when our group size averaged 16 or less. Though I could keep up 24 with this, if you were in group that would probably drop to only being able to keep up 23.

@Zheg , First don't quit, just chill on the game a bit. That's what I do. No MMO stays fresh forever, but you can still generate fun from them for years. This is one reason I really like my lifetime DCUO, TSW and STO memberships. I can still come back to these every so often, and when I do there is often hordes of content and still lots of friends playing these games. Second, I have to say @PrinceFabious should tone it down a notch. Honestly why do people have such disdain for players who DO want to be large group healers? This isn't Halo or Counterstrike, its an MMO, and if you can't accept healers in pvp you're not in the right genre. I'm not the healer type, but I've had a lot of friends who were, and there's no reason to knock these people whether they play in big or small groups.

Ive said it many times. If you label your thread "GREATEST _____ BUILD/GUILD" I will come after you. Specifically to zerglings who wiped to 4 300cp players. Be more humble. State.."Large 24 man raid Heal build right here" but saying its the best..lololol laughable. I dont disdain him because of his choices to play ONLY in a zerg. I dont like his attitude on how high and mighty he is for being a heal bot in a 24 prox group. Nothing less, nothing more.
Thats all we ask. Just dont be a *** about it

Fair enough. I don't really take 'best' to mean much of anything, except maybe 'pretty good' in large part because I'm blasted by sales pitches on a regular basis. ~Caveat Emptor~

Lyar09 · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Khole is gonna be on CU as well

Why did K-Hole break up / decide to leave anyway?

We're not broken up. Just a lot of people have real life things going on right now.

Kalebron · July 2016

I prefer Transmutation and Kags myself.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Fasoo wrote: »

Although it's hard to say "this is the best build" as it's very situational, I will say that running into Zheg has always just been annoying as he is a very tanky man that puts out some major heals, and although I only raided with VE once, I can attest to them being one of if not the best guild in the post 1.5 era, and I have a lot of respect for what they could do to maps when they wanted.

hopefully you guys let me grab a spot as a foot soldier in CU when you guys dominate the server

Here's hoping CU even comes out before I'm 80

Based on what I saw on the news section of their website, it won't be soon. Grouping with other players isn't even supported yet.

And u know why ESO still sucks after 2 yrs? Because they rushed it and theyre STILL rushing it. And to this day they are still trying to fix old bugs while introducing new bugs...smh. CU's lead MJ is very experienced gamer and worked wit Matt Firor on the previous Camelot game. MJ knows that rushing high-profile games isnt how u do buisness and lots of us on CU Forums understand that and support him all the way.

In the meantime, im playing Heroes of the Storm and a little bit of ESO until Albion Online comes out in Aug. Once Battlefield One is out i am gone for good

Theres nothing zos can say or do at this point thats gonna keep me (unless ofc we finally remove Aoe Caps and Battlespirit). Theyve taken their sweet time then come to forums to tell us they cant fix old bugs because of new bugs coming in lol. Bad bad buisness and theyve been doing that since 1.6, the change to BuyToPlay from subscription.