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SubtleHate✭✭✭@Zheg Putting aside the entirety of the conversation, you're right about Fengrush being a salt lord-- I trolled him really hard one time a couple months ago and he still thinks I'm the scum of the Earth for it.
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I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game.
I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
You post salt to 'trigger' VE and myself, and then act surprised when people dislike you and/or return the favor. The reason you were so quickly kicked (wasn't me fyi, even though I thought you were far too full of yourself to ever have the capacity to run in a larger group, I actually said yes when you were fishing for an invite to get large group experience, because I thought it would help give you some perspective finally) is because you cultivated gripes with many players outside of our own lovefest.
As I said above, a 4man couldn't win a large keep fight solo and relies on a ball group to help win the fight for them. You sh3t on the people that helped you win afterwards, I don't sh3t on the smallmans that stop reinforcements and hold flags/push siege while we're engaged. You can blow sunshine up people's a$$ as much as you want about how much respect you have for them, but your words and attitude say otherwise, and have done so pretty much since launch.
Anyway, the build works quite well even in smaller groups, you just need to watch your positioning and survival. If you are good about rotating in your shields it doesn't matter as much that you only have 2 impen.4 -
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✭✭PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
Current count: 5 VEs triggered
I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.1 -
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.
Aren't lag and balancing the two big problems that VE has with the game?
The lag has been improving steadily patch by patch. I know you remember the slide show, meteor / Dawnbreaker spam disgrace that was raiding in 1.6 -- you were standing beside me in group every night for months through it. I know you guys like playing the map up in TF prime time, but there are places in the game where 50+ people fight 50+ people with zero lag. Sometimes there are more people involved. Our computers used to stand up and walk out the door when that happened.
ZOS has a lot of work to do with balancing the game, but they've shown willingness to listen to our ideas in the past, albeit limited resources to commit to the cause. We wanted aoe caps gone -- well they couldn't commit to that, but they took the time to give us VD. We complained that heals are overtuned -- they gave us Fasalla's. We wanted dynamic ultimate back -- they gave us Tava's and the upcoming Gossamer set. Those alone are HUGE for playing outnumbered. We complained that LoS healing was bs -- they took it out. We complained that 24 man ball groups could pile drive through a less organized keep defense of twice as many people (sorry, but as fun as those fights were, that was op) -- they gave us forward camps back and gutted barrier and Rapids and purge.........
Ok those last changes went way too far as a whole, but we're getting places. They're already increasing the timer on FC respawns. They're listening, and although they are slow and don't seem to be terribly good at balancing, they're trying. They can learn.
Maybe I am just stubbornly optimistic, but I just can't comprehend giving up and leaving when there's hope.
And in my opinion, the community is partly to blame for the slow response to balance issues. Just look at how we act on these forums.
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Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
Current count: 5 VEs triggered
I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.
Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.
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Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
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I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.
Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.
If we ever see a buff with this set, it would be interesting to be paired with combat phys
We don't take a lot of footage, sadly. Especially not the raid leads.
It is definitely built for larger fights, it does a magnificent job of diluting large amounts of incoming aoe damage. Totally different from a 4v4 healer that is expected to have a mix of sustain, heals and burst.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I'm just tired of all the fighting. We're all losing guildies and friends by the week. PvP is struggling to stay afloat, and this is how people who should be community leaders are behaving. We need to be working together to elevate all remotely organized play styles and groups because quite frankly pug lyfe isn't going to secure long term players, and this political epeen *** show isn't going to draw new players into organized and social play.
Aren't lag and balancing the two big problems that VE has with the game?
The lag has been improving steadily patch by patch. I know you remember the slide show, meteor / Dawnbreaker spam disgrace that was raiding in 1.6 -- you were standing beside me in group every night for months through it. I know you guys like playing the map up in TF prime time, but there are places in the game where 50+ people fight 50+ people with zero lag. Sometimes there are more people involved. Our computers used to stand up and walk out the door when that happened.
ZOS has a lot of work to do with balancing the game, but they've shown willingness to listen to our ideas in the past, albeit limited resources to commit to the cause. We wanted aoe caps gone -- well they couldn't commit to that, but they took the time to give us VD. We complained that heals are overtuned -- they gave us Fasalla's. We wanted dynamic ultimate back -- they gave us Tava's and the upcoming Gossamer set. Those alone are HUGE for playing outnumbered. We complained that LoS healing was bs -- they took it out. We complained that 24 man ball groups could pile drive through a less organized keep defense of twice as many people (sorry, but as fun as those fights were, that was op) -- they gave us forward camps back and gutted barrier and Rapids and purge.........
Ok those last changes went way too far as a whole, but we're getting places. They're already increasing the timer on FC respawns. They're listening, and although they are slow and don't seem to be terribly good at balancing, they're trying. They can learn.
Maybe I am just stubbornly optimistic, but I just can't comprehend giving up and leaving when there's hope.
And in my opinion, the community is partly to blame for the slow response to balance issues. Just look at how we act on these forums.
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Those 1.6 keep takes gave me cancer. You are right that the lag has improved somewhat what but its still not enough to give any hope that it will ever really be fixed. And at this point its more than just the lag, its consistently poor balance changes patch after patch that just further demonstrate the ineptitude of Eric Wrobel and BS like unbanning so many CE users. There have been a few positive changes like the recent increase to the FC timer but honestly its too little too late at this point. And we certainly didn't all quit, I still play nearly every night but the fact of the matter is that unless you want to run multiple raids and have half your ranks be bombard bowtards, the type of large group play we enjoyed (maximum of 24) just isn't fun anymore.
As a side note I have been having a surprising amount of fun playing solo on my Magicka DK all week trying out this "1vX" thing I keep hearing about, get rekt plenty but I have got some really cool fights too.0 -
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They could fix lag and get good balance and most of the VE members that have fully quit would never come back (I'd never go back to full-time play) because there is zero trust in ZOS and the playerbase is what it is. Part of the reason I'm such a cranky old man on the forums is because of the very community leaders you reference fostering the hatred of the very groups that cyrodiil was structured around; it's not to place all blame on one person, this was a group effort. The well has been poisoned, players see a group of 16 fighting over keeps and are disgusted. How, exactly, do you save an RvRvR game like that?
Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
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I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.
Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.
If we ever see a buff with this set, it would be interesting to be paired with combat phys
In the current fighting style of pvp, you either fight another group, or are fighting mass numbers bogged down in roots and snares. For group fights, you almost always see them coming, so you get rapid regen on everyone prior to the bomb, and then focus on healing springs/healing ward depending on health bars. As I said, with fasallas and how many heal debuffs there are now, many times your normal heals are not doing anything and the shield component goes farther than you ever could with a breath or regular healing springs. The shield also helps deal with the prox bomb and eliminate crit hits for one or two during a bomb and that can determine the tide of the fight.
For the larger zergs where you can't move, healing springs is the best heal to rely on. Think of it this way nifty, how much HPS am I losing by not running sets with stronger spell damage/magicka - not all that much. I'm gaining free shields though, that alone makes it worthwhile. The shield happens outside of my normal healing, I'm using almost the same skills I would be anyway, but getting 5.1k shields on everyone in addition. In a game driven by burst, it's a life-saver. You just need to make sure you're not standing in bad places and watching yourself because you can go down quickly if you dont have your shield up and aren't paying attention.Edited by Zheg on July 15, 2016 3:45PM2 -
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...also it was totally I that kicked Fengrush. Small scale players diluting my Zerg guild? Not on my watch'
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✭✭✭✭Jesus, can people even read a thread by someone in VE without making it about VE?
...also it was totally I that kicked Fengrush. Small scale players diluting my Zerg guild? Not on my watch'
When that someone is Zheg and that someone calls out FENGRUSH in the OP, what else are we to do!
You were going to inject yourself into the thread regardless. You were referenced because of your intense hatred of all things healing and it was a healing build thread. You could have laughed at it, because it's true, but didn't even go after me, you went with VE salt. "But I have so much respect for them! hurr hurr"
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Trust me, you don't need to write out the basics of healing, I'm well aware you don't need to try and shift it to make it seem like I have no idea. I'm just highly curious to see this in action from your point of view so I can see how many of the shields go out and how well it goes in a raid setting. Cause until I see that, I don't think my opinion will change based on what I have experienced with this set.@KenaPKK the TG patch is what solidified all feelings that ESO will never get to a good place balance wise for pvp. As you said, they went too far, but that is largely because the playerbase has great difficulty viewing balance outside of their small box. The gutting of purge and rapids didn't come out of no where, it came because of the 'smallman is the only respectable way to play large-scale RvRvR pvp' mindset. People got so focused on numbers it reached levels of insanity. I had endless arguments with frozn with him telling me if we ran 16 it was ok, if we ran 18 we caused all the lag. It's insanity. Fengrush was party to much of that because of his intense desire to rambo large groups and expect to win. Yes, the combat team is lost and likely will never be able to get to a good place, but the playerbase is beyond saving too. Much of the damage was self-inflicted.
They could fix lag and get good balance and most of the VE members that have fully quit would never come back (I'd never go back to full-time play) because there is zero trust in ZOS and the playerbase is what it is. Part of the reason I'm such a cranky old man on the forums is because of the very community leaders you reference fostering the hatred of the very groups that cyrodiil was structured around; it's not to place all blame on one person, this was a group effort. The well has been poisoned, players see a group of 16 fighting over keeps and are disgusted. How, exactly, do you save an RvRvR game like that?
Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
Current count: 5 VEs triggered
I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.
Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.
If we ever see a buff with this set, it would be interesting to be paired with combat phys
In the current fighting style of pvp, you either fight another group, or are fighting mass numbers bogged down in roots and snares. For group fights, you almost always see them coming, so you get rapid regen on everyone prior to the bomb, and then focus on healing springs/healing ward depending on health bars. As I said, with fasallas and how many heal debuffs there are now, many times your normal heals are not doing anything and the shield component goes farther than you ever could with a breath or regular healing springs. The shield also helps deal with the prox bomb and eliminate crit hits for one or two during a bomb and that can determine the tide of the fight.
For the larger zergs where you can't move, healing springs is the best heal to rely on. Think of it this way nifty, how much HPS am I losing by not running sets with stronger spell damage/magicka - not all that much. I'm gaining free shields though, that alone makes it worthwhile. The shield happens outside of my normal healing, I'm using almost the same skills I would be anyway, but getting 5.1k shields on everyone in addition. In a game driven by burst, it's a life-saver. You just need to make sure you're not standing in bad places and watching yourself because you can go down quickly if you dont have your shield up and aren't paying attention.
I am a huge fan of twilight remedy recently and because I have a great set up to run for it which is seemingly impossible for people to get pretty much and thanks to fengrush for pointing it out, it's pretty decent
I have the necklaces, rings, sword and shield
That's my current tooltip with it, and it doesn't have a cooldown. I'm not exactly in the best gear right now to show it off though
None of the new trial sets have a cooldown@Nifty2g does Lunar Bastion have an internal cooldown of its own or does it proc every time you activate a synergy?
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Also, its a counter to fasallas, plain and simple. Your heals arent useless against someone thats significantly heal debuffed with this.Edited by Zheg on July 15, 2016 4:20PM0 -
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This is the root issue.
The player mindset of Cyro PvP is so diametrically opposed its a wonder anybody even plays.
1. View 1: Promised large scale pvp, I want to play with a group and friends
2. View 2: Zerging POS, gimme tools to break big groups Rambo 3 style (aka all by myself). Oh yeah -- Zergs cause lag
Both of these are correct. Both of these are toxic. The logical extreme of each is completely ridiculous.
The fault is ZOS for failing to recognize, much less talk about, how they intend to promote all styles of play while protecting players from each other.
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Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol
Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.
I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.
Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.16 -
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Trust me, you don't need to write out the basics of healing, I'm well aware you don't need to try and shift it to make it seem like I have no idea. I'm just highly curious to see this in action from your point of view so I can see how many of the shields go out and how well it goes in a raid setting. Cause until I see that, I don't think my opinion will change based on what I have experienced with this set.@KenaPKK the TG patch is what solidified all feelings that ESO will never get to a good place balance wise for pvp. As you said, they went too far, but that is largely because the playerbase has great difficulty viewing balance outside of their small box. The gutting of purge and rapids didn't come out of no where, it came because of the 'smallman is the only respectable way to play large-scale RvRvR pvp' mindset. People got so focused on numbers it reached levels of insanity. I had endless arguments with frozn with him telling me if we ran 16 it was ok, if we ran 18 we caused all the lag. It's insanity. Fengrush was party to much of that because of his intense desire to rambo large groups and expect to win. Yes, the combat team is lost and likely will never be able to get to a good place, but the playerbase is beyond saving too. Much of the damage was self-inflicted.
They could fix lag and get good balance and most of the VE members that have fully quit would never come back (I'd never go back to full-time play) because there is zero trust in ZOS and the playerbase is what it is. Part of the reason I'm such a cranky old man on the forums is because of the very community leaders you reference fostering the hatred of the very groups that cyrodiil was structured around; it's not to place all blame on one person, this was a group effort. The well has been poisoned, players see a group of 16 fighting over keeps and are disgusted. How, exactly, do you save an RvRvR game like that?
Speaking of the build though, I am generally curious, because it's hard to picture how this build functions in practice. Any videos of the build in action would be cool, cause personally it's hard to imagine it working as well as you say it does, I'm not a huge fan of a shield with a cooldown and battle spirit effected on it, a 5.1k shield per 6 second per person and per crit, just seems like you become the HoT *** of the raid.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
What's wrong about fasalla on healers? When I'm on my templar and run e.g. with 2 stam dks and a sorc, almost all half decent players target me first, so imo it makes sense for me to use fasalla.This set up was an absolute life-saver oh my god. If only more than one of us had farmed it lol. Oh well.
Also did I just see a "put your healers on Fasallas" for real?
Nothing wrong with fasallas on support templar, at all. VE players aren't very experienced in smaller groups and have dedicated fasalla tanks because they have numbers to dedicate solely to that, while smaller groups often have builds that do a bit of everything, heals, tank and dps. Keep on rocking your Fasallas
I don't even play this game anymore, but I know the bolded part isn't true at all. Satiar, Bulbisar, and Teargrants are all very good/experienced running small groups and I'm sure many of the other VE members are as well.
I cant unsee this video someone posted of VE in a 6 or 7 man group dying to like 300 CP people. Who actually moves as a proxy ball at 7 man group size and dies to a handful of people...
They definitely have some good players in there, and then... theres probably some people that cant small group pvp at all really.
You can't un-see it because you're so desperate for salt that you intentionally disregard the fact that crispy explained there was an entire saramis raid there right before and he expected them to still be there. From the jesus beams coming down from 2nd floor there were clearly more blue than the video shows. I know you don't understand because you farm potatoes and didn't even know who the blue groups on TF were because you don't fight good guilds with any kind of regular frequency, but they ran 1-2 raids deep on TF and were one of if not the strongest blue force on the map. For reference, this is the kind of group you try to rambo with wrecking blow and a dawnbreaker and then complain about healers keeping them alive. And then you slink back to the sewers because of 'lag'.
I'd also point out that the reason you can't un-see it is because you're the type of petty person to hold folders of videos of anyone you managed to kill once, just in case your ego is ever threatened. There's a reason you don't see many videos of ve group wipes very often on the forums, it's not because they don't happen, it's because if people started that pettiness they knew they'd be in just as many if not more embarrassing videos. I get that you're still trying to cope with being irrelevant, and I get that you're sad to see me begin to go, but you'll just have to deal bro.
I know thats the same thing you said from the other thread. This 7 man group didnt wipe to 6 or 7 guys standing around that happened to leap on them and gently put them away. They 7 VE crumbled under fear of a group that was on the wall above that actually didnt even kill them in this video.
Heres how you man up vs a 'raid' and actually fight the raid, and not die to pubs not in the raid. Sorry we didnt do it with 7 people - but 4 can get the job done as well and it seemed fitting since the fight happened in the same exact place:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kd4qNLhZ1w
I dont have folders of videos. I literally searched 'Jauriel VE' and it came up right away as I recall she posted this and your guild mates started hitting her with personal insults. I mean... I dont get to see small man VE videos, or catch small man VE groups in play.. or I could say otherwise. But I do have this video referenced which shows 7 VE operating in the same exact fashion as they would in a 24 man group. To me, it says they dont know how to play in small group. If I have a 7 man group - Id be perfect willing to contend with a raid. Id certainly not have the slightest issue with the handful of pubs that wiped your group in that video though. Its nothing personal, Im just pointing out the reality of it all.
The reality of it is that VE doesnt record fights. There are two that used to get an awesome fight saved for our own viewing pleasure, or shadowplay a bad fight so leads could watch and see whats happening that they might have missed, but we never plastered the forums with highlight reels, including the smaller groups that would run outside of raid times. Did steve/ghost (and the one other person i forgot) need to post a video of them wiping 30+ of a pm force trying to save nikel when we were back on blue? (I was there too, but still in my 'crash every 5-10 minutes phase of pvp). No, they didnt, theyre not so insecure. Pm knows they lost embarassingly, nikel was saved temporarily, and we got a good fight out of it. We have different perspectives fengrush and thats fine, but you look pretty silly when your comments sound like they came out of princefabious xD
Honestly, if you guys werent such little *** and post threads like "VE BEST GUILD NA" and didnt zerg the forums, flooded with cockyness, no one would give a rats ass about your zerg build and no ond(including me) would care to respond to you guys in general. Be more humble. I do what I do because I hate your attitude towards the game.
The thread titled VE was the best guild to play this game, that I assume you're referring to was actually posted by Axy in response to Bulb's thread saying that we were done. And in Bulb's goodbye thread he did call us the best, and I think any guild should think that about themselves. Trust me we have been humbled plenty of times by groups like Haxus and Rage(rip), even after all the salt that gets thrown around between us I still have a ton of respect for those groups, but we also have plenty of wins and are very proud of what we accomplished as a guild in this game. We must of had a pretty serious impact on you for you to still be this salty after we're gone, sorry about that. Try not to take things so serious bruh, its not good for you.
I remember 2vXing an 8 small man VE group at BRK LM. I have no actual salt from within the game. Its just that.. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO POST THINGS LIKE "VE WAS THE BEST GUILD TO HAVE EVER PLAYED THE GAME"...and what? Is this another VE person to hop on this thread? Man, you guys really stay tight on crown IN the forums as well. LOL.
Current count: 5 VEs triggered
I'm not triggered man, your opinions aren't really relevant to me. If you killed 8 VE with 2 post some proof, otherwise I'll assume your making that up. I honestly don't know that I've ever actually seen you in game so idk when this supposedly happened.Ghost-Shot wrote: »
I just think it's a low blow to say that and not true, regardless of personal beef. Some people don't like how abrasive he can be, but he calls things like he sees them and contributes a lot of entertaining and constructive content to the community. There's nothing more insulting or hurtful that you can say to a content creator than "you're not relevant anymore."
And I'm a salty person who was gkicked from VE too, although it actually turned out to be the best thing to ever happen to me in the game. I'd argue that both are losses to VE, but people and their opinions and all.
The Combat Physician tooltip in your screenshot is 4k+, which would be a bit over 5k+ with Bastion -- right about the size shield you said the set gives people. Are you saying the tooltip reaches like 11k all buffed up, or is it halving itself to show that it's in Cyro, or does the shied proc crit (wut)? I r confuse. Halp.
Honestly I don't personally have a problem with Fengrush, I've actually played with him a number of times, but he does have a history of saying some pretty nasty things about us so of course people are going to throw insults back. Again I don't personally have anything against the guy but lets be a little bit objective about things.
I dont hate VE, ghostshot. Take my posts directed towards zheg with a grain of salt. As Ive said before - I have no way to judge Zheg outside of the large groups he plays with, because I havent personally found him elsewhere in the past 2years+. Im sure hes been out there, but it would seem thats where a minority of his time is spent.
I have respect for a fair amount of players that have been and were with VE through its time. I dont actually have issue with anyone in it. Even Zheg must have some talent behind those angry fingers to lead large groups - because that is the hardest part of running those large groups, and a guild in general. Leadership is not an easy task - so its credit to him in that respect. But with the ridiculous posts he throws out you cant expect me not to end up trolling him.
So sorry if you feel Ive felt a lack of respect for VE. Ive been an advocate for removing AOE caps and bringing order back to Cyro against ball groups - which have caused a lot of issues in this game functionally and from a performance perspective. The fault is on ZOS here ultimately. But VE has taken those posts and conversations I have made and taken it personally, leading to a back and forth which is ultimately futile. Obviously guilds like PM that just rally any amount of number are contributing to a far more toxic environment than a 20 man group. We have also since experienced a lot of changes that have impacted ball groups and made them less ridiculous (purge, rapids, barrier). Whether they are all correct is another story. But in an attempt to engage in those discussions, you can see the type of insults Ive faced from your noble leader Zheg, and some others to a lesser degree. Striking out at my point of view from how Ive played the game to invalidate what I consider to be, completely fair points. But that is the struggle in trying to bring change.
Honestly man I'm just tired of the fighting between small scale and large scale players in general, it accomplishes nothing and gets us nowhere fast. I personally play all styles of PVP, solo small scale and full raids so I don't think I will ever understand this divide that exists. I agree with you that there should be better ways for a small group to counter a large group but the ways ZOS has gone about changing group mechanics is all wrong. What they have done at this point is basically punish people for grouping up between 12 and 24 by nerfing what made it strong while not giving any other tools to counter the giant zergs. I know how frustrating it is to fight a group like we ran with 5 or 6 people but in my opinion that was better than having these enormous groups that basically go unchecked now.
Not shutting it down, I am just curious if something has changed from when I ran this, we even ran this in a trial setting back in the day and the shield was so bad in there.
If we ever see a buff with this set, it would be interesting to be paired with combat phys
In the current fighting style of pvp, you either fight another group, or are fighting mass numbers bogged down in roots and snares. For group fights, you almost always see them coming, so you get rapid regen on everyone prior to the bomb, and then focus on healing springs/healing ward depending on health bars. As I said, with fasallas and how many heal debuffs there are now, many times your normal heals are not doing anything and the shield component goes farther than you ever could with a breath or regular healing springs. The shield also helps deal with the prox bomb and eliminate crit hits for one or two during a bomb and that can determine the tide of the fight.
For the larger zergs where you can't move, healing springs is the best heal to rely on. Think of it this way nifty, how much HPS am I losing by not running sets with stronger spell damage/magicka - not all that much. I'm gaining free shields though, that alone makes it worthwhile. The shield happens outside of my normal healing, I'm using almost the same skills I would be anyway, but getting 5.1k shields on everyone in addition. In a game driven by burst, it's a life-saver. You just need to make sure you're not standing in bad places and watching yourself because you can go down quickly if you dont have your shield up and aren't paying attention.
I am a huge fan of twilight remedy recently and because I have a great set up to run for it which is seemingly impossible for people to get pretty much and thanks to fengrush for pointing it out, it's pretty decent
I have the necklaces, rings, sword and shield
That's my current tooltip with it, and it doesn't have a cooldown. I'm not exactly in the best gear right now to show it off though
None of the new trial sets have a cooldown@Nifty2g does Lunar Bastion have an internal cooldown of its own or does it proc every time you activate a synergy?
Also do the little shield procs stack with each other?
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Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol
Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.
I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.
Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.
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PrinceFabious✭✭✭✭✭PrinceFabious wrote: »
Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol
Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.
I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.
Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.
Arent you the malubeth templar that holds block?
Watch past broadcasts..we dont play more than 12. We barely make it past 8. Just because 90% of the group is composed of burly Orc DKs doesnt mean we are a zerg
Just because youve died to a bunch of DKs also doesnt mean "OMG KROTHA IS ZERGING" lololok
Like I said, watch past broadcasts or else...
BACK TO THE SHADOWS
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The theorycraft on this build is solid as hell, and if not for my deeply ingrained aversion to LA on a templar it might even be something id recommend.
I gotta reckon its biggest weakness are stam builds focus firing it, especially stam NBs or DKs getting right up on it, 1-3 of those and it will have a pretty bad day.
But I always favor templar survival over pure group dedication, so I am biased. If that set came in HA, id be hard pressed to not give up glorious Kagrenacs/Magnus, to be completely honest.
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diskiukas✭✭✭
^^^PrinceFabious wrote: »
Nailed it ^
You only see like 3 prox det ball groups these days. Hopefully the rest leave the game too but yea.. Not all of us like to play groups where we can dedicate a person for everyrole lololol
Anyone that knows me in game knows I detest Zerg guilds. I think it inhibits player growth, and that's how you end up with palatines and legates and warlords even that can't make it past 1 ulti when they are caught without their groups. That being said, major guilds leaving the game is not a healthy sign or something any mature player would applaud. Unless your idea of fun and healthy AvA is the entire DC faction pugging at ales/bleakers/chal, 50 people with 2 siege up.
I think at some point we all need to grow up and acknowledge/respect that different people play for different reasons and have fun in different ways. The way some people ostracize other playstyles and spew so much salt is not good for the community or for the game.
Also...lol.You play in Krothas pug zerg of malubeth tanks, and you're calling other guilds out on respectability and skill? Man some people are so oblivious.1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I still log in once in a while so I haven't left the game yet (... damn you delayed CU beta), and this isn't a goodbye thread. Since VE is no longer running competitively, there's no more need for trade secrets. I gift to the community the strongest group heal build for this meta, may you run amok with it and cause wrobel balancing headaches and Fengrush many rants on his stream. I prefer templar because that's been my go-to since forever, but believe it or not any class can run this build.
Head - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Shoulder - Molag Kena/Medium/Impen/Magicka
Chest - Kag's Hope/Heavy/Impen/Tri-Stat
Gloves - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Waist - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Legs - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Boots - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Neck - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Mag Recov
Weapon 1 - Resto Staff - Kag's Hope/Precise (NOT powered)
Weapon 2 - 2H Sword or S&B - Kag's Hope/Precise (Impen on Shield)
CP - this should be basic and obvious for a healer, make sure you go 100 into bastion
Mundus - Atronach (Thief if you can manage your Magicka)
Race - Argonian (for next patch), Imperial, then Altmer/Breton
Stats - have at least 26k hp, rest goes to magicka
Potion - Spell Power/Spell Crit/Magicka potions
Bar 1 - Healing Ward -- Healing Springs -- Rapid Regen -- Harness Magicka -- Elusive Mist **Reviving Barrier**
Bar 2 - Honor the Dead -- Extended Ritual -- Channeled Focus -- Repentence -- Jesus Beam/Forward Momentum/Blazing Spears **Reviving Barrier**
Why is this the best healing build in pvp right now? Two reasons:- With Fasalla's and the cornucopia of heal debuffs, pure heals is no longer optimal in most fights. You still need them, but they don't go as far. Heals + Shields ... that's where it's at. Healing Ward > Breath/HtD in many cases. If you can have a 2nd healer focusing on burst heals while you run combat physician, that's optimal.
- Behind door number 2, combat physician applies it's CD per person, not per effect. You put rapid regen on someone, they will get a 5.1k shield (if you commit to 100 in bastion) as soon as they start taking damage and get it again after 6 seconds. One person in this can keep the entire group in free shields (no crit hits, 5.1k is equal to a weak harness magicka) every 6 seconds. Every tick of your purify or healing springs that crits also gives them a shield. Since you can have both rapid regen and mutagen apply to someone, have other people in group re-morph to mutagen so nothing ever overwrites your rapid regen HoT. Whoever is lucky enough to be hit by your 19.5k barrier will also get the HoT from that for 30 seconds.
Enjoy, my healer is retired. I will run malubeth and the healing morph of jesus beam for my remaining days to generate as many hate tells as possible.
Here is an honest question for you
Does the CD on this set apply to multiple people? What i'm saying is could multiple healers run this set and apply multiple stacking shields?https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The theorycraft on this build is solid as hell, and if not for my deeply ingrained aversion to LA on a templar it might even be something id recommend.
I gotta reckon its biggest weakness are stam builds focus firing it, especially stam NBs or DKs getting right up on it, 1-3 of those and it will have a pretty bad day.
But I always favor templar survival over pure group dedication, so I am biased. If that set came in HA, id be hard pressed to not give up glorious Kagrenacs/Magnus, to be completely honest.
Also, falsallas is trash for most group setups, one guy at most should ever run that set, otherwise youre gimping the hell out of the group's recovery.
I repeated over and over i wasnt healing any more if i was going to raid lead, because you would never position your healer the way a crown would be, but we needed a bit more survivability and steve committed to leading more during the last campaign push so i was able to switch back. I hated leading on this when i needed to take crown for a bit, but when not crown you can survive just fine. If i get focused i mist form and say so in ts and its usually fine. Most of the core healers in guild groups that one would think of would survive just fine in this, we've done it long enough that we know how to position ourselves.0 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I still log in once in a while so I haven't left the game yet (... damn you delayed CU beta), and this isn't a goodbye thread. Since VE is no longer running competitively, there's no more need for trade secrets. I gift to the community the strongest group heal build for this meta, may you run amok with it and cause wrobel balancing headaches and Fengrush many rants on his stream. I prefer templar because that's been my go-to since forever, but believe it or not any class can run this build.
Head - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Shoulder - Molag Kena/Medium/Impen/Magicka
Chest - Kag's Hope/Heavy/Impen/Tri-Stat
Gloves - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Waist - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Legs - Combat Physician/Light/Infused/Tri-Stat
Boots - Combat Physician/Light/(Well-Fitted/Divines)/Magicka
Neck - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Spell Dmg
Ring - Willpower/Arcane/Mag Recov
Weapon 1 - Resto Staff - Kag's Hope/Precise (NOT powered)
Weapon 2 - 2H Sword or S&B - Kag's Hope/Precise (Impen on Shield)
CP - this should be basic and obvious for a healer, make sure you go 100 into bastion
Mundus - Atronach (Thief if you can manage your Magicka)
Race - Argonian (for next patch), Imperial, then Altmer/Breton
Stats - have at least 26k hp, rest goes to magicka
Potion - Spell Power/Spell Crit/Magicka potions
Bar 1 - Healing Ward -- Healing Springs -- Rapid Regen -- Harness Magicka -- Elusive Mist **Reviving Barrier**
Bar 2 - Honor the Dead -- Extended Ritual -- Channeled Focus -- Repentence -- Jesus Beam/Forward Momentum/Blazing Spears **Reviving Barrier**
Why is this the best healing build in pvp right now? Two reasons:- With Fasalla's and the cornucopia of heal debuffs, pure heals is no longer optimal in most fights. You still need them, but they don't go as far. Heals + Shields ... that's where it's at. Healing Ward > Breath/HtD in many cases. If you can have a 2nd healer focusing on burst heals while you run combat physician, that's optimal.
- Behind door number 2, combat physician applies it's CD per person, not per effect. You put rapid regen on someone, they will get a 5.1k shield (if you commit to 100 in bastion) as soon as they start taking damage and get it again after 6 seconds. One person in this can keep the entire group in free shields (no crit hits, 5.1k is equal to a weak harness magicka) every 6 seconds. Every tick of your purify or healing springs that crits also gives them a shield. Since you can have both rapid regen and mutagen apply to someone, have other people in group re-morph to mutagen so nothing ever overwrites your rapid regen HoT. Whoever is lucky enough to be hit by your 19.5k barrier will also get the HoT from that for 30 seconds.
Enjoy, my healer is retired. I will run malubeth and the healing morph of jesus beam for my remaining days to generate as many hate tells as possible.
Here is an honest question for you
Does the CD on this set apply to multiple people? What i'm saying is could multiple healers run this set and apply multiple stacking shields?
I'm pretty sure you can only have one shield at a time0
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