Liofa wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

So , you know him as well . You must have seen him fighting 1v10 fights as well too . He is a solid proof that Magicka DK don't need anymore healing ^^ ( and many more other Magicka DKs ) NesquikKid is also a very good mDK as well . Check his videos . There are so many examples of Magicka DKs who dominate PvP with Inhale , Burning Embers and Vampire . That is why I don't support increasing the healing of Dragon Blood . It will just bring back immortal mDKs back , which is not good ^^

Get real buddy.

I have a 100 clips of mDK footage that would make me look awesome. They are not indicative of the class. Or the struggles to get them. They are simply highlights.

I guarantee you that nobody who plays mDK in Cyrodiil would agree with you.

Regardless, Skaffa has complained on numerous occasion how bad Dragon Blood is.

Dragon Blood had nothing to do with the "immortal" Dk you are so afraid of. That was blocking, dynamic ult, and Battle Roar.

If DB was bases off a x% of max health rather than x% of missing health it could be more viable.

Liofa wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

So , you know him as well . You must have seen him fighting 1v10 fights as well too . He is a solid proof that Magicka DK don't need anymore healing ^^ ( and many more other Magicka DKs ) NesquikKid is also a very good mDK as well . Check his videos . There are so many examples of Magicka DKs who dominate PvP with Inhale , Burning Embers and Vampire . That is why I don't support increasing the healing of Dragon Blood . It will just bring back immortal mDKs back , which is not good ^^

Yes, I've spoken with him personally when he was on NA. And we both agreed that Dragonblood's current state holds DK back from being competitive.


My most recent DK montage has a clip where I solo take on 12+ AD, and I kill 3 of them before they eventually overwhelm me.This was open-field too.... All I had was a skinny tree to work with while 12+ were literally all over me. If you examine what they were doing in that fight, you would get the impression that they were fresh out of BwB or something, because dayum for a split moment, I thought I found myself in 1.5 again lol. If you were to watch me from a distance fight that zerg, you'd think DK is fine too lol. Basing facts off of anecdotal observation of experienced DKs fighting a horde of potatoes isn't the correct basis for saying "oh look, DK is fine."


The Grass is always greener. But when you step back and actually do some research and analysis instead of just looking at a few tanky DKs that -look- impressive because they know how to survive difficult situations against sheer numbers of idiots, does not mean the class is fine.

Liofa wrote: »

@Lord_Hev

The topic is going somewhere else so let me just get it together and explain my point again . I fought lots of people in PTS before every patch . My mDK on live is for PvE but I love playing mDK in PvP as well but I don't have money to craft special gear for it . Anyways , I was dominating in PTS . I won 7 of 10 fights I been in . I don't use Dragon Blood because you don't need it . I have lots of Healing . Healing Ward , Mutagen , Burning Embers , Inhale , Whip ... It is insane . mDK has perma root for gods sake . The whispers I got ... The hatred . It was like , ''stop using Talons you exploiter'' . I played every class with Magicka/Stamina . Tested and played dozens of builds . I KNOW that mDK is powerful . Only enemy that I was afraid of was Magicka Templars who run Malubeth because they are just broken . I know they are because I have one in live server and I enjoy hate whispers more than I should ^^

Anyways , if Dragon Blood heals a lot like it was before , mDK will be insanely powerful . I know that because I was nearly impossible to kill and was able to kill people without Dragon Blood . I am not saying that ''I am playing better than you'' or sth like that . It is just I build a mDK on PTS and when it was done I said ''I am going to dominate everyone with this'' and I can say I did most of the time . It is powerful in terms of Healing , tankiness and resource management . Only thing mDK lacks is damage which is because you sacrifice it for the things I just mentioned . This is the way it has to be . You sacrifice things for other things you want more . If they buff Dragon Blood's Healing , what going to happen is , mDKs go for more damage while keeping their powerful Healing . They are powerful and buffing their Healing abilities will make them even more powerful .

I am not saying ''mDK is powerful because this guy is killing/tanking 20 people'' , I say it because I know it . I have experience with it . What I am saying is , mDK doesn't need a Healing buff . I would love a buff to Dragon Blood (Green Dragon Blood to be exact because Coagulating is strong in terms of Healing taken) but not to its healing . Give it a special buff like Minor Protection . That would be really nice to be honest .

you dont play mDK in pvp at all.... so the opinion you have carries very little weight. I can go on PTS and face wreck people aswell because they are testing out builds and different specs preparing for the new meta shift. PTS is not at all indicative of live. When you play mDK for months and months on actual live against full specced players in 1v4 situtations then you can comment on what mDK wants and needs.

Please tell me how you are going to use burning embers and mutagen when you have 2 letal arrow snipers, a beamer and a stam NB on your ass....

Please tell me how me being able to root someone justifies that i cant heal for more then 7k when i have major mending and 3% health when a templar can heal for 10-20k in a single BoL at any health level, a sorc can shield for 20k in 2 casts, a NB disappearing completely from sight waiting for his ward to pop.

@DKsUnite

You are not supposed to survive 2 snipers and 2 other guys on you . Do you think it would be balanced if you could ? What I understand from your wall of text is you want damage , you want sustain , you want tankiness , you want even more healing as well . Healing 7k with Major Mending is active is clearly a problem of yours . I am healing myself with Burning Embers by 20k without Major Mending . As a tank build . You are doing something wrong if you think you are not getting enough heals .

NOTE : We are talking about mDK here and you say that you can't defend yourself from snipers . I don't even know what to say . Good luck with your ''insane experience'' in live which you are so proud of .

NOTE 2 : I am trying new builds in PTS as well . Like I did with my mDK . Everyone is testing new builds including me . Why don't I get ''face wrecked'' ?

Armitas wrote: »

Liofa are you using malubeth like you are in your PVP duel videos?

Not anymore after so many hate whispers ^^ I use 2 piece Blood Spawn in duels now . But I keep the Malubeth when I go open world with my Magicka Templar just to *** people off . It is really funny how broken it is ^^

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Dracane wrote: »

I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.

Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.

At the very least with Sun Shield you can return some of the enemy's damage back to them, Dragonblood is purely a self heal that is out performed by virtually every other heal in the game in 99.99% of situations. It's not fine as it is, it's literally useless as it is.

Liofa wrote: »

You must think 1v1 fights before thinking about 1vX .

You are trying to balance based on player numbers but you can't do that because there are many levels of potatoes that don't deserve to kill out numbered and there are plenty of escape mechanics such as run speed, dodge/shuffle/los, massive heals, bolt, and stealth that can elude or survive a group and in some cases an entire raid. A DK has neither of those options. If he is surround by complete potatoes he might live but if they have any sense or experience at all the DK is done. One person will paint a radiant on the DK, and you will spend all your time trying to stay above 50, while only healing through dot heals and slow aoes like draw essence. You are just delaying the inevitable.

1v1s are mostly meaningless because that is not what you run into. More likely than not it's 1vX, and the slower you are to kill the higher the chances of that X. Why should we be the one class that can't sustain himself in a 1vX against players just above potato? Why should the game be balanced around who can throw more people into a fight? If all classes can 1vX then if you outnumber and lose it's all on you, not the balance.

1v1s are terrible representations of reality. I have done both for over two years, they are complete night and day with reality at least for the mDK.

Dracane wrote: »

I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.

Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.

Hi, just want to mumbling in my terrible english

I am agree with you, actually before many decent-awesome player make video about how awesome blazing shield is, we also have so many similar topic regarding sun shield.

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The problem is similar with dragon blood but not completely, Saturn make this post before about 100%+ missing health heal (or equivalent about 70% missing health heal with battle spirit):
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2201830/#Comment_2201830
still minus vitality pot and malubeth (or we can save those to counter healing debuff)
However many people mock his build because its do zero damage etc.
Both morph of Dragon blood is similar to radiant ward but not with blazing shield, because of the damage component, that's why no one make video or post about the build.
But its far from being garbage, the coagulated blood can potentially become best heal in game with the right setting and timing due to combined 20% healing received bonus.

And It's not only dragon blood & sun shield, I usually find some skill that most people think as garbage but actually become core ability in many awesome build like spell symmetry.

Not only skill, equipment sets is also like that..
I never see build/video using 5 set light of cyrodiil, however my main is mostly use the set since 2014 until the last nerf (and I know some awesome people that use the sets), its quite OP and the 5 set bonus already nerfed 2 times from 30->25->15%. More nerf than 5 set bonus on ravager (I believe only nerfed 1 times, cmiiw), Why?
ZoS certainly not the best developer when its comes to game mechanics and tool tips, but they are certainly not as stupid as "nerf sets that no one use", twice.

Many people don't think hybrid build worked before pelinals (its do good, believe me), even after pelinals there's still people who don't think hybrid build worked, but thankfully some decent-good video about pelinals builds are emerge.
Its the same with warrior's fury sets, if Patrick Scott not make video about warrior's fury maybe the population that use warrior's fury sets is not as high as now.

I understand the forum like solo balance build that can survive and kill in 1vsX situation, but not every build made to serve that purpose.
So is the skill and sets.

I think we really need to look something as a potential not only its current states.
Peoples will call me stupid if I complain about vigor in my magicka build, however many people do basically similar thing and say that they are smart and people that not agree with them is know nothing about the game.

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Bonus, fun fact about Dragon Blood:

Once upan a time, there's a build that can always regain its lost health no matter how much its lost even when under effect of major defile and battle spirit.
Argonian + Coagulated Blood + Desert Rose (the bonus is still 12% damage gain as magicka) + Max Health + Healing Bonus Build (healing received is priority)
*healing received is the stat that debuffed by major defile & battle spirit, basically coagulated blood alone reduce battle spirit debuff to only 30%.

As long as you heal under 25% health you'll always recover health more than magicka cost of dragon blood/12%
combine with pots, you can get perma immoveable. So only lag can kill you.

The so called garbade race + scg skill + scg sets + scg attributes = unkillable

The build is still worked in current patch.
However desert rose is not as good as before, dragon blood cost increased, argonian heal received passive decreased, there's ultimate debuff heal set (fasalla), & healing & increase magicka cost poison,
But now you can combine desert rose with malubeth and get major vitality potion, both is count as healing received (cmiiw), so its still worked quite good if you want to have survival build.

Cheers

So by the arguments presented in this thread... Let's see how we could apply these principles to sorcerers and nightblades:

The range of Bolt Escape depends on Max Health: at 60k hp, if you are an Argonian (+10% to distance traveled), your Bolt Escape takes you the distance you currently can have.

At 60k hp, cloak grants you 4 seconds of invisibility, if you are a Nord, and have invested your 100 CP in "Cloaking length" and 75 CP in "Cloaking sustained".