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Ishammael
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Can you please fix Dragon Blood? Pretty please? Vigor TICKs for more than I can heal with DB at 50% of 30k health (0.33*15/2 = 2.5k LOL).
ZOSE, PLS! Its an existential issue.
Ideas for fixing:
1. Exempt from Battle Spirit, leave the skill as-is. (preferred option)
2. Redesign the skill into a Magicka flat heal that scales up with lost health.
3. Make the skill a HoT.
4. ????
ZOSE, PLS! Its an existential issue.
Ideas for fixing:
1. Exempt from Battle Spirit, leave the skill as-is. (preferred option)
2. Redesign the skill into a Magicka flat heal that scales up with lost health.
3. Make the skill a HoT.
4. ????
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.Auri-El is my lord,
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Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon crap isn't going to be fixed. It should be clear by now.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
No, its actually not a strong heal in any situation. That is provable wrong. I gave you simplest scenario already in the original post.
RE: vampire passives and abilities. How is Dragon Blood any more effective in combination with Vampire than other abilities?Dragon crap isn't going to be fixed. It should be clear by now.
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Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I get it. It's just that Wrobel hates dk and there is nothing can be done about that.
Edited by Anhedonie on July 7, 2016 1:59PMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
No, its actually not a strong heal in any situation. That is provable wrong. I gave you simplest scenario already in the original post.
RE: vampire passives and abilities. How is Dragon Blood any more effective in combination with Vampire than other abilities?
Because dragon blood is a heal that is intended to be used on low health. The undead passive and mistform support this.
Vampire DK tanks are almost immortal when you go for it. The best tanks in the game thanks to this heal, if Templars wouldn't dominate everything with malubeth at the moment. Well, Malubeth also benefits DKs. But not as much as Templars.
Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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✭✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
No, its actually not a strong heal in any situation. That is provable wrong. I gave you simplest scenario already in the original post.
RE: vampire passives and abilities. How is Dragon Blood any more effective in combination with Vampire than other abilities?
Because dragon blood is a heal that is intended to be used on low health. The undead passive and mistform support this.
Vampire DK tanks are almost immortal when you go for it. The best tanks in the game thanks to this heal, if Templars wouldn't dominate everything with malubeth at the moment. Well, Malubeth also benefits DKs. But not as much as Templars.
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Vampire DK tanks are almost immortal when you go for it. The best tanks in the game thanks to this heal, if Templars wouldn't dominate everything with malubeth at the moment. Well, Malubeth also benefits DKs. But not as much as Templars.
This is a joke, right? We're talking about PvP.
"almost Immortal"
"...if Templar's wouldn't dominate..."
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✭✭Can you please fix Dragon Blood? Pretty please? Vigor TICKs for more than I can heal with DB at 50% of 30k health (0.33*15/2 = 2.5k LOL).
ZOSE, PLS! Its an existential issue.
Ideas for fixing:
1. Exempt from Battle Spirit, leave the skill as-is. (preferred option)
2. Redesign the skill into a Magicka flat heal that scales up with lost health.
3. Make the skill a HoT.
4. ????
If they dont fix it, then they have to give DKs similar ability to blazing shield (I am looking at fragmented shield). Otherwise stacking health for only one skill is useless.
But magicka DKs still need a good self heal.Because I can!1 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
No, its actually not a strong heal in any situation. That is provable wrong. I gave you simplest scenario already in the original post.
RE: vampire passives and abilities. How is Dragon Blood any more effective in combination with Vampire than other abilities?
Because dragon blood is a heal that is intended to be used on low health. The undead passive and mistform support this.
Vampire DK tanks are almost immortal when you go for it. The best tanks in the game thanks to this heal, if Templars wouldn't dominate everything with malubeth at the moment. Well, Malubeth also benefits DKs. But not as much as Templars.
Well, you can make godlike DK tanks, that's for sure.
But that's not Dragon blood saving them. All it provides is the extra 8% healing received, as Invigorating Drain has multiple ticks, is cheap, stuns a target AND gives ultimate back.
The only use of Dragon Blood is as an "oh crap!" button when you got someone spamming an interrupt on you, making Drain unusable.
My experience as a 60k+ health tank, everything stacked into healing done/received (excluding malubeth), I'm happy to see a 13k healing on Coagulating blood, and Drain ticks for 10k, costs a third, and is rarely interrupted by most people (no CP camps).
It is not working as intended when the one build that benefits the most from %health remaining healing can drop it with no regret. I have no issue relying only on Drain and Igneous shield, quite the contrary as I can just slot another ability, even if only for a passive effect provided (like a Support ability for 10% magicka regen). Even better, I can just use Mystic guard, get the minor Mending effect, protect someone, and get 10% magicka regen.
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Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭I dont know. Dragon Blood should receive a fix for sure, but its about HOW to fix it.
I mean Stam DK's shouldnt be able to make good use of it, they are powerful enough currently.
For Magicka DK on the other hand, they need a good self heal.
Dont know, maybe let Dragon Blood Heal scale with the Magicka Pools Size?Attempt and Thoughts to Overhaul Scaling, Attribute System and Enchantments
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
They might be surviving but they aren't killing anything. Ever. If your dragons blood heals for a lot in pvp it's because you're spec'd to be a tank and that's it.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?3 -
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✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
As a tank you use a combo of major mending + Dk passive +12% healing +2 coagulating Blood (1 to activated the +8% healing and one to actually heal yourself), with a + 20% healing recived and a + 30% healing done (+CP) you get quite a nice heal, but is the only condition where this heal works.
Anyway in pvp you use coagulating Blood + spiked armor combo only to make the burning embers tik bigger, not to heal yourself.
If you play as a templar, a mag dk tank goes down quite easy Since you can purge the dots.Edited by Tonnopesce on July 7, 2016 4:40PMSignature1 -
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✭✭Agreed DB needs fixed to benifit DKs.
Also dont say just for magicka DKs enough of this about stamina DKs being gods their no beter than magicka DKs. Oh wow stamina DKs have good DoT damage alot of good that does in pvp.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Ishammael I'm confused. Are we dragons?Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
I agree, it's not for every build. I could complain breath of life doesn't work well on my stamina templar, sure. But it's moot. my gf runs a dk health regen tank and her green dragons blood is stupid op.
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✭Dragonblood is broken that is a fact. It's a % based heal which unlike other heals got completely screwed over by the healing debuff in Cyrodiil. It's supposed to heal for 33% of our missing health. That's MISSING health... yet we only get around 16% which at even 30k HP is pathetic. If it was not a % based heal it would make sense but currently it should be excluded from the current heal debuff as right now it's just not good enough.1 -
Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭I dont think its right to give Stam DK's another Emergency Heal, which is even based on Magicka (next to Rally, Vigor, Ult activation). There is enough reason they havent adjusted this ability yet.
I still think this should be made most useful to Mag DK's instead, which only is possible trough removing the percentage based component of that Ability.Edited by Birdovic on July 7, 2016 5:10PMAttempt and Thoughts to Overhaul Scaling, Attribute System and Enchantments
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✭✭I dont think its right to give Stam DK's another Emergency Heal, which is even based on Magicka (next to Rally, Vigor, Ult activation). There is enough reason they havent adjusted this ability yet.
I still think this should be made most useful to Mag DK's instead, which only is possible trough removing the percentage based component of that Ability.
Why would a stam build use Dragon Blood, even if it isn't effect by Battle Spirit? Vigor AND Rally individually would still be 2x better. Stam DK uses mana for several other things, so it wouldn't be a mana dump.Ep1kMalware wrote: »I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
I agree, it's not for every build. I could complain breath of life doesn't work well on my stamina templar, sure. But it's moot. my gf runs a dk health regen tank and her green dragons blood is stupid op.
DK health regen tank? Are you talking about PvP? b/c if you're referring to PvE then whatever -- Dragon Blood is fine.@Ishammael I'm confused. Are we dragons?
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Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
No, its actually not a strong heal in any situation. That is provable wrong. I gave you simplest scenario already in the original post.
RE: vampire passives and abilities. How is Dragon Blood any more effective in combination with Vampire than other abilities?
Because dragon blood is a heal that is intended to be used on low health. The undead passive and mistform support this.
Vampire DK tanks are almost immortal when you go for it. The best tanks in the game thanks to this heal, if Templars wouldn't dominate everything with malubeth at the moment. Well, Malubeth also benefits DKs. But not as much as Templars.
Wtb lol button, this is probably the most clueless *** I've read on this forum yet. It's like to say that magicka sorc shields should be balanced around max health
I completely agree with you Isha, this skill need some major changes, same story with igneous shield to be honest.2 -
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✭✭Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »I completely agree with you Isha, this skill need some major changes, same story with igneous shield to be honest.
Do you remember 1.5 Igneous?!? WTB
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Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »I completely agree with you Isha, this skill need some major changes, same story with igneous shield to be honest.
Do you remember 1.5 Igneous?!? WTB
PS. WE ARE DRAGONS
Yes back in the days it was a useful skill in general, just like the other dk skills. Even I was using it as a stamina dk when vigor was not that op. Now it is just a joke0 -
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✭✭✭✭Right now we are lizards with diabeedus. Please help us Mr Wrobel.Edited by Armitas on July 7, 2016 5:47PMRetired.
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✭✭Right now we are lizards with diabeedus. Please help us Mr Wrobel.
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✭✭Give it up. Hundred threads about this and ZOS just ignores it like alot of other stuff.
Pathetic really by zeni.
I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.
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Actually it is the opposite of OP. Unlike all other heals it does not scale with a damage resource. Meaning you have to sacrifice a ton of your damage resource for a non damage resource for it to approach being viable. Compare that with vigor which costs about half of dragon blood and can heal more on the first tick than dragon blood and sacrifices nothing because it scales with a damage source. Compare that with all other heals which scale from damage. The only thing even close is ward but that has a base value. If anything is OP its stacking one resource and gaining offense and survivability simultaneously.I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.
With the amount of executes and defiles in this game you are going to need a ton of health for that thing to be a viable heal for the common circumstances we find ourselves in. All the health that requires is going to make you hit like a wet noodle.
Edited by Armitas on July 7, 2016 9:23PMRetired.
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✭✭Before you rage at me for saying what I am gonna say , know that I am playing a DK as main .
You all Magicka DK players have insane healing with Burning Embers which is a very low cost skill and a very strong DOT . Even spamming it is viable in some cases . That is how strong it is . Crying for a good healing skill in forums is not what I would do . I agree that Dragon Blood is weak but wanting combat team to buff the healing of it is pointless because we all know they won't do it . What I would suggest is making it give you a different buff . Take a look at Igneous Shield for example . It is the weakest shield in the game but it gives one of the most useful buffs and about 80% of DKs use it on their build .
In order to make use of Healing Dragon Blood provides is to run a 60k Health build and we all know that they don't do very good at all .
Give Green Dragon Blood a unique buff and everyone will be happy because Coagulating Blood is fine as is in my opinion . It works for tanks to get more healing and that is a very good buff for a tank . My suggestion is making it work like Magma Armor . Dealing damage to nearby enemies every second . Maybe something like this :
Burning Blood : Your blood bursts into fire and flowing from your body . The heat burns enemies near you , dealing damage to nearby enemies every second . Sets the enemy on fire if activated near the target , dealing them X damage over Y seconds .
Here you go . A tool for taking NBs out of cloak and a Stable DPS tool .
You have really good Healing as a Magicka DK , stop asking for more and want something useful instead .
Note : I didn't even mention Inhale .0
