WE ARE DRAGONS

Armitas · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas

I do have a Magicka DK on live server but I don't spend Wax to test stuff . I just go to PTS .

If you are playing a tank and 4k HPS is not enough for you to survive execute phase , your tank build needs some work .

Do not compare Vigor with Dragon Blood . There are only 2 heals for stamina users and they deserve to be good while there are several heals+shields available to Magicka users .

Yes , you can spam it . I put it on my second slot most of the time . I press 2 again and again . There , I just spammed it and I got craploads of Healing .

You need to sacrifice to get tanky . If you can be tanky and offensive at the same time , where is the fun ?

I said I survived 3-4 DOTs from a Stam DK while at %20 Health which are overpowered by MSA weapons with only spamming Burning Embers . If you think this doesn't representate anything , I don't know what can .

You are supposed to stand your ground as a DK , not run away . If every class had a escape ability , spammable , super strong heals etc. the game would be pointless .

What most people want in this thread is a good heal , survivability , tankiness and good damage at the same time . DK has insane tankiness and survivability with decent damage and healing . There is nothing that excels at everything . Accept it and ask reasonable stuff instead of straight buffs .

4K HPS. Where does this come from?
Execute phase? Of a boss? What are you talking about?

So you're telling me... that because you can press Dragon Blood twice and got "craploads of Healing" that its OK. This is a joke, right?

The only thing anybody is this thread is asking for is for Dragon Blood to be a viable self-heal in Cyrodiil. 16.7% of missing health is not a viable self heal.

Do you even read what are we talking about ? I was talking about Burning Embers . We all are talking about PvP here . You don't even read your own thread . Please read before you post .

Seriously? I thought you were talking about burning embers at first but then thought you must have meant DB because it made 0 sense for embers. Burning Embers can't heal you for 4k HPS dude. Seriously it would have to do 4k dps to do 4k hps in the same second. What the actual?

IxskullzxI · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.

Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.

Easy to say when you're a tank hating sorc.

And you're a well known Sorc hater So we are even.
I know that Dragonblood is not for everyone. But for tanks, it works pretty well.

DKs don't need more healing. They are already impossible to kill as a mage with all this wings spam and healing ward and burning embers, while still dealing the highest DPS.

I don't want to destroy your thread. I'm just telling my opinon.

DKs don't need more healing? Dragons blood isn't for everyone? How are we supposed to heal then? WTB whatever game you are playing. Its definitely not the same one as me.

Auri-El.....
You have burning embers, lava whip can heal as well and you have access to healing ward.
And now don't say "uhhh but dis is noooo Dk skill" who cares ? The only way for Sorcerers and magicka nightblades to heal is healing ward and it's an overpowered ability and the root why shield stacking is so absurd. All good Dks use it already.

Whatever game you are playing, it's either not TESO or you didn't make it out of coldharbour when you created your char and you missed everything that's going on lately

Embers and whip both require targets to use, and whip only heals on off balance targets. Which is what? Every 5 seconds? Embers can be good but is unreliable. Yeah we can use healing ward, but magicka nb's can use it and cloak to get the heal and sorcs can streak. DK doesn't have mobility. The ward gets wrecked instantly because you can't get away from enemies to get the heal.

OMG. Surge requires targets, strife requires targets, puncturing sweeps as well. And ? It works.
We are talking about in combat situations and not because fall damage is killing you and you have no targets to heal

In what combat situations are you going to be able to live through only using power lash and burning embers. Also, every example you gave, the class/spec has a stronger heal. The DK doesn't. Sure puncturing sweeps works. So does BoL.

Dracane · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Thank you. Finally someone reasonable.
DK has enough survivability, they don't need another burst heal on top. Immunity vs 95% of all ranged attacks, a semi burst heal on demand with burning embers and killer dps and let's not even talk about DKs who add annulment and healing ward.
It's enough

First, all your claims of "its fine" or "DKs are tanky enough" have been stated with zero numbers, i.e. no evidence. You have thrown in straw men arguments like Healing Ward and Annulment -- which are available to ANY class. Then you talked about templars "exploiting" malubeth. Absolutely non of this has anything to do with the thread. Please either do some diligence, or stop posting here.

Nope, I will not stop posting. Because what you ask for is ridiculous.
Can Sorcerers survive without healing ward ? Can Magicka Nightblades survive without healing ward ? The answer is no. It's no class ability, but it's making classes super strong.

Please, open up your mind and look at everything that is available because there are synergies in this game. If I would be so close minded and would only look at what my Sorcerer class tree offers me, then I could go home. Weapon and armor abilities play a big role.

You have access to enough healing and survivability when you combine what your class offers you and what non-class abilities give you. End of the story

Your sorcerer has Bolt Escape and Hardened so that you can actually utilize Healing ward!
Nightblade as cloak! To cover the ward and receive the heal.
Templar has an instant heal with tooltips over 10k.
DK has zero mobility, making healing ward completely sub-optimal in an open world setting. You can't cover it -- and it won't save you from execute! Its good for duels, sure. But mDK is fine for Duels and that's not what we are talking about.

I have played every, single, class. This isn't a thread about Sorcs. This is a thread about DKs.

Dragon Blood is a joke of an ability. Like I posted in the OP, if you give up enough damage or sustain to get 30k HP, your Dragon Blood heal is 15*.33/2 = 2.5k at HALF HEALTH. Vigor ticks for more. Lets say you have Volatile (+12%), Heavy Armor (+8%) and 5% received and 5% healing done CPs. Now your Dragon Blood is 2.5*1.25*1.05 = 3.25k! AT HALF HEALTH. That is a joke.

How do I skillfully protect myself from Radiant Destruction or Mages Wrath or Executioner or Killer's Blade when in execute range? Can't heal.

Luckily, DK has scales, negating almost all ranged attacks completely. What else do you want ?
Stop being greedy. You have everything your need.

Liofa · July 2016

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

DKsUnite · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Thank you. Finally someone reasonable.
DK has enough survivability, they don't need another burst heal on top. Immunity vs 95% of all ranged attacks, a semi burst heal on demand with burning embers and killer dps and let's not even talk about DKs who add annulment and healing ward.
It's enough

First, all your claims of "its fine" or "DKs are tanky enough" have been stated with zero numbers, i.e. no evidence. You have thrown in straw men arguments like Healing Ward and Annulment -- which are available to ANY class. Then you talked about templars "exploiting" malubeth. Absolutely non of this has anything to do with the thread. Please either do some diligence, or stop posting here.

Nope, I will not stop posting. Because what you ask for is ridiculous.
Can Sorcerers survive without healing ward ? Can Magicka Nightblades survive without healing ward ? The answer is no. It's no class ability, but it's making classes super strong.

Please, open up your mind and look at everything that is available because there are synergies in this game. If I would be so close minded and would only look at what my Sorcerer class tree offers me, then I could go home. Weapon and armor abilities play a big role.

You have access to enough healing and survivability when you combine what your class offers you and what non-class abilities give you. End of the story

Your sorcerer has Bolt Escape and Hardened so that you can actually utilize Healing ward!
Nightblade as cloak! To cover the ward and receive the heal.
Templar has an instant heal with tooltips over 10k.
DK has zero mobility, making healing ward completely sub-optimal in an open world setting. You can't cover it -- and it won't save you from execute! Its good for duels, sure. But mDK is fine for Duels and that's not what we are talking about.

I have played every, single, class. This isn't a thread about Sorcs. This is a thread about DKs.

Dragon Blood is a joke of an ability. Like I posted in the OP, if you give up enough damage or sustain to get 30k HP, your Dragon Blood heal is 15*.33/2 = 2.5k at HALF HEALTH. Vigor ticks for more. Lets say you have Volatile (+12%), Heavy Armor (+8%) and 5% received and 5% healing done CPs. Now your Dragon Blood is 2.5*1.25*1.05 = 3.25k! AT HALF HEALTH. That is a joke.

How do I skillfully protect myself from Radiant Destruction or Mages Wrath or Executioner or Killer's Blade when in execute range? Can't heal.

Luckily, DK has scales, negating almost all ranged attacks completely. What else do you want ?
Stop being greedy. You have everything your need.

most of us have dropped wings because its buggy as ***, the dmg it returns is 2x 50% taxed so it does nothing damage wise and it reflects 4 projectiles when it works which is instantly gone when you are in cyrodiil. Please go play a magicka DK in solo open world before you say they are fine and dandy....

Armitas · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

You are making the claim. Show US that it is heaing for 4k hps in a relevant non contrived situation.

Also your pve achievement, which is noteworthy within it's own realm, is meaningless in reference to this realm of discussion, which is PvP. Duels are synthetic and not representative of either the foes you will face or the situations you will face them in.

Dracane · July 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Thank you. Finally someone reasonable.
DK has enough survivability, they don't need another burst heal on top. Immunity vs 95% of all ranged attacks, a semi burst heal on demand with burning embers and killer dps and let's not even talk about DKs who add annulment and healing ward.
It's enough

First, all your claims of "its fine" or "DKs are tanky enough" have been stated with zero numbers, i.e. no evidence. You have thrown in straw men arguments like Healing Ward and Annulment -- which are available to ANY class. Then you talked about templars "exploiting" malubeth. Absolutely non of this has anything to do with the thread. Please either do some diligence, or stop posting here.

Nope, I will not stop posting. Because what you ask for is ridiculous.
Can Sorcerers survive without healing ward ? Can Magicka Nightblades survive without healing ward ? The answer is no. It's no class ability, but it's making classes super strong.

Please, open up your mind and look at everything that is available because there are synergies in this game. If I would be so close minded and would only look at what my Sorcerer class tree offers me, then I could go home. Weapon and armor abilities play a big role.

You have access to enough healing and survivability when you combine what your class offers you and what non-class abilities give you. End of the story

Your sorcerer has Bolt Escape and Hardened so that you can actually utilize Healing ward!
Nightblade as cloak! To cover the ward and receive the heal.
Templar has an instant heal with tooltips over 10k.
DK has zero mobility, making healing ward completely sub-optimal in an open world setting. You can't cover it -- and it won't save you from execute! Its good for duels, sure. But mDK is fine for Duels and that's not what we are talking about.

I have played every, single, class. This isn't a thread about Sorcs. This is a thread about DKs.

Dragon Blood is a joke of an ability. Like I posted in the OP, if you give up enough damage or sustain to get 30k HP, your Dragon Blood heal is 15*.33/2 = 2.5k at HALF HEALTH. Vigor ticks for more. Lets say you have Volatile (+12%), Heavy Armor (+8%) and 5% received and 5% healing done CPs. Now your Dragon Blood is 2.5*1.25*1.05 = 3.25k! AT HALF HEALTH. That is a joke.

How do I skillfully protect myself from Radiant Destruction or Mages Wrath or Executioner or Killer's Blade when in execute range? Can't heal.

Luckily, DK has scales, negating almost all ranged attacks completely. What else do you want ?
Stop being greedy. You have everything your need.

most of us have dropped wings because its buggy as ***, the dmg it returns is 2x 50% taxed so it does nothing damage wise and it reflects 4 projectiles when it works which is instantly gone when you are in cyrodiil. Please go play a magicka DK in solo open world before you say they are fine and dandy....

4 fully negated projectiles is still more than my shield could take, plus wings also block out the CC attached to these.

Ishammael · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Thank you. Finally someone reasonable.
DK has enough survivability, they don't need another burst heal on top. Immunity vs 95% of all ranged attacks, a semi burst heal on demand with burning embers and killer dps and let's not even talk about DKs who add annulment and healing ward.
It's enough

First, all your claims of "its fine" or "DKs are tanky enough" have been stated with zero numbers, i.e. no evidence. You have thrown in straw men arguments like Healing Ward and Annulment -- which are available to ANY class. Then you talked about templars "exploiting" malubeth. Absolutely non of this has anything to do with the thread. Please either do some diligence, or stop posting here.

Nope, I will not stop posting. Because what you ask for is ridiculous.
Can Sorcerers survive without healing ward ? Can Magicka Nightblades survive without healing ward ? The answer is no. It's no class ability, but it's making classes super strong.

Please, open up your mind and look at everything that is available because there are synergies in this game. If I would be so close minded and would only look at what my Sorcerer class tree offers me, then I could go home. Weapon and armor abilities play a big role.

You have access to enough healing and survivability when you combine what your class offers you and what non-class abilities give you. End of the story

Your sorcerer has Bolt Escape and Hardened so that you can actually utilize Healing ward!
Nightblade as cloak! To cover the ward and receive the heal.
Templar has an instant heal with tooltips over 10k.
DK has zero mobility, making healing ward completely sub-optimal in an open world setting. You can't cover it -- and it won't save you from execute! Its good for duels, sure. But mDK is fine for Duels and that's not what we are talking about.

I have played every, single, class. This isn't a thread about Sorcs. This is a thread about DKs.

Dragon Blood is a joke of an ability. Like I posted in the OP, if you give up enough damage or sustain to get 30k HP, your Dragon Blood heal is 15*.33/2 = 2.5k at HALF HEALTH. Vigor ticks for more. Lets say you have Volatile (+12%), Heavy Armor (+8%) and 5% received and 5% healing done CPs. Now your Dragon Blood is 2.5*1.25*1.05 = 3.25k! AT HALF HEALTH. That is a joke.

How do I skillfully protect myself from Radiant Destruction or Mages Wrath or Executioner or Killer's Blade when in execute range? Can't heal.

Luckily, DK has scales, negating almost all ranged attacks completely. What else do you want ?
Stop being greedy. You have everything your need.

most of us have dropped wings because its buggy as ***, the dmg it returns is 2x 50% taxed so it does nothing damage wise and it reflects 4 projectiles when it works which is instantly gone when you are in cyrodiil. Please go play a magicka DK in solo open world before you say they are fine and dandy....

4 fully negated projectiles is still more than my shield could take, plus wings also block out the CC attached to these.

This thread is not about sorcerors. It is about DKs. Stop standing up straw men.

Dragon Blood is the issue at hand. It is underpowered and nearly useless. Too much sacrifice is required to utilize it.

Ishammael · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

So your argument is that because you can spam Burning Embers in a duel, DK doesn't need Dragon Blood fixed? Complete Non sequitur.

Targuris · July 2016

https://youtu.be/Ua3bXFz0VHY

Ishammael · July 2016

Targuris wrote: »

https://youtu.be/Ua3bXFz0VHY

That was genuinely funny, RE this thread.
Well played

Targuris · July 2016

It seemed fitting

Ishammael · July 2016

Targuris wrote: »

It seemed fitting

WE ARE DRAGONS

RoamingRiverElk · July 2016

I like playing both magicka sorc and magicka dk.
That being said, I do think that magicka dks need more tools to stand their ground because they cannot do this incredibly powerful move that magicka sorcs can do:

Hardened Ward -> Dodge roll > Healing Ward -> Dodge roll > Streak (often over enemies) > Behind tree > Hardened Ward
This is possible to do often in various combinations.

Line of sight = 100% protection from most skills, no matter how many enemies.

Dragon Fire Scale = protection from 2 light attacks and 2 ranged skills. At that point, yes, I do wish it was only two enemies beating on me.

Magicka DKs can barely dodge roll at all because they need to be blocking the incoming damage because they cannot control line of sight nearly as easily as sorcs and nightblades can. Mistform helps a little, but even that is not as effective as streak. Mistform is SLOW. It requires you to be a vampire, which means you have to take more damage. You have no magicka regen in mistform and you are not using any skills while in it, while they beat on you.

The game should not be balanced so that a tank will always be killable by one player. And those who cannot escape should be able to take more of a beating than those that can kite.

Flame lash heals too rarely - and that is supposing that you have time to use flame lash. Most of the time I do not have time to use flame lash, it's a luxury for those moments when it's a bit safer so I can use it.

1. Increase reflected projectiles to 6
2. Give us a working gap closer that CCs. The magicka morph of shield charge. Something that works 100% of the time as long as you're not trying to charge into keeps. So that we can actually get to our enemies so that we can use Burning Embers and Inhale.
3. Give us Major Evasion coupled with some other useful skill so that we can actually slot enough skills on our bars.
4. Make Dragon Blood scale from Max Magicka or Max Health, whichever is higher, and reduce the strength of it only by 30% instead of 50% in Cyrodiil. In PvE people would still use Inhale and Burning Embers because they do damage. Pro DDs would not slot it because it's a slot wasted when trying to do max damage possible.

Magicka DKs end up being swarmed in PvP. Increase their defensive tools so that they can actually survive the same number of enemies as templars who spec into damage can stay their ground, how long magicka sorcs and stamina builds can kite similar numbers (5+ enemies). What is it about people thinking that kiting is fine but someone who has to stand in one spot should just die? Magicka DKs are in a better position now than they were before this patch, but that doesn't mean that they're ok yet. They're not. Not compared to most other specs. Kiting is fine in my opinion. But staying one's ground as a magicka dk should be possible too without sacrificing all damage or hoping that the enemies are very ineffective.

And, I know I'm a fool for even suggesting it but... Really... The easiest way to help magicka DKs a ton would be to give magicka DKs 50% stamina regen while blocking.

I'm glad you all magicka DKs are posting in this thread. I know there aren't many of us left. For some reason...

Shadesofkin · July 2016

If I was going to ask for a change to Dragons Blood, I would ask that Coagulating be a straight (very strong) heal and that Green give Stamina back.

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

Liofa · July 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Vercingetorix · July 2016

Why not just simply change the Green Dragon Blood morph to be a stamina cost morph? Then, heal you for 66% of your missing health over 5 seconds, granting you the appropriate buffs for the full 20 seconds.

Keep Coagulating Blood as a magicka cost morph, but heal over 5 secs like the stam morph. There, problem fixed - works in PvP and PvE, while giving the DK a unique tool for healing that capitalizes on the Dragonic Power passives. Using Vigor to "patch up" the DK toolkit is wrong.

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Ah, fair enough.

diamanda · July 2016

Скажу по русски, если есть возможность переведите кто нибудь.
dragon blood абсолютно бесполезен в ПВП. Учитывая что механика игры подразумевает ограничение скил слотов, то скил чьё предназначение только селф хил должен быть очень сильным даже сильнейшим отхилом в игре. По факту это не так и скил является слабейшим отхилом в игре в ПВП.

Кроме того абсолютно бесполезен морф на стаминореген - в стамино билде мажор баф на стамина реген итак легко получить с любой банки. В маджико билде это просто бесполезный слот.

Скил был актуален до введения батл спирита, потому что за прожатие поднимал ХП больше чем тебе снимает соперник + нельзя было разогнать характеристики (были софт и хард капы).

Механику нужно полностью переделывать и вводить скалирование от характеристик а не только от потерянного ХП. Те же самые темплары в нормальных билдах в ПВП с 1 каста поднимают флешкой фул ХП, это достигается именно за счет бурста нужных характеристик. Драгон блад лишен этой возможности и поэтому бесполезен.

И последнее, я играю с релиза, и драгон блад это явно ассоциативный скил с ДК классом то что апнули другие хил скилы ДК (кнут, милишная дота, дип бриз, но которые нельзя 100% применить в любой ситуации) а драгон блад оставили кажется странным, это тоже самое что лишить сорка блинка а темплара флешки найтблейда инвиза, но апнуть какие то другие скилы которые их будут частично заменять ...

Armitas · July 2016

diamanda wrote: »

Скажу по русски, если есть возможность переведите кто нибудь.
dragon blood абсолютно бесполезен в ПВП. Учитывая что механика игры подразумевает ограничение скил слотов, то скил чьё предназначение только селф хил должен быть очень сильным даже сильнейшим отхилом в игре. По факту это не так и скил является слабейшим отхилом в игре в ПВП.

Кроме того абсолютно бесполезен морф на стаминореген - в стамино билде мажор баф на стамина реген итак легко получить с любой банки. В маджико билде это просто бесполезный слот.

Скил был актуален до введения батл спирита, потому что за прожатие поднимал ХП больше чем тебе снимает соперник + нельзя было разогнать характеристики (были софт и хард капы).

Механику нужно полностью переделывать и вводить скалирование от характеристик а не только от потерянного ХП. Те же самые темплары в нормальных билдах в ПВП с 1 каста поднимают флешкой фул ХП, это достигается именно за счет бурста нужных характеристик. Драгон блад лишен этой возможности и поэтому бесполезен.

И последнее, я играю с релиза, и драгон блад это явно ассоциативный скил с ДК классом то что апнули другие хил скилы ДК (кнут, милишная дота, дип бриз, но которые нельзя 100% применить в любой ситуации) а драгон блад оставили кажется странным, это тоже самое что лишить сорка блинка а темплара флешки найтблейда инвиза, но апнуть какие то другие скилы которые их будут частично заменять ...

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I will say in Russian, if you have the opportunity to move somebody.
dragon blood is absolutely useless in PVP. Given that the mechanics of the game involves skill limit slots, skill whose purpose is only self healing to be very strong, even the strongest othilom in the game. In fact this is not true and is the weakest othilom skill in the game in PvP.

Also absolutely useless to morph staminoregen - to build, stamina Major stamina regen buff so easy to get from any banks. The Majik build, it is just a useless slot.

Skill was relevant to the administration of Battle spirit because of HP prozhatie raised more than your opponent shoots + could not disperse characteristics (were soft and hard caps).

Mechanics need to completely remodel and enter scaling of the characteristics not only of the lost HP. The same templars normally builds in PVP 1 Cast raise memory stick ful HP, this is achieved is by burst desired characteristics. Dragon Blood deprived of this opportunity, and therefore useless.

Finally, I play with the release and Dragon Blood is obviously associative skill with DK class what apnuli other healing skills DK (whip milishnaya bunker, Deep Breeze, but that can not be 100% to apply in any situation) and Dragon Blood left seems strange it is the same as to deprive Sorka blink and templar stick naytbleyda inviz but apnut what that other skills that they will partly replace ...

Wollust · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

Liofa · July 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

So , you know him as well . You must have seen him fighting 1v10 fights as well too . He is a solid proof that Magicka DK don't need anymore healing ^^ ( and many more other Magicka DKs ) NesquikKid is also a very good mDK as well . Check his videos . There are so many examples of Magicka DKs who dominate PvP with Inhale , Burning Embers and Vampire . That is why I don't support increasing the healing of Dragon Blood . It will just bring back immortal mDKs back , which is not good ^^

Draxys · July 2016

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Why not just simply change the Green Dragon Blood morph to be a stamina cost morph? Then, heal you for 66% of your missing health over 5 seconds, granting you the appropriate buffs for the full 20 seconds.

Keep Coagulating Blood as a magicka cost morph, but heal over 5 secs like the stam morph. There, problem fixed - works in PvP and PvE, while giving the DK a unique tool for healing that capitalizes on the Dragonic Power passives. Using Vigor to "patch up" the DK toolkit is wrong.

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Armitas · July 2016

Liofa wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

So , you know him as well . You must have seen him fighting 1v10 fights as well too . He is a solid proof that Magicka DK don't need anymore healing ^^ ( and many more other Magicka DKs ) NesquikKid is also a very good mDK as well . Check his videos . There are so many examples of Magicka DKs who dominate PvP with Inhale , Burning Embers and Vampire . That is why I don't support increasing the healing of Dragon Blood . It will just bring back immortal mDKs back , which is not good ^^

1v10 relies on 1 thing. The ignorance of those attacking. I've done it, most in this thread have. It's not by raw power, it's by poor decisions from your enemy.

Ashamray · July 2016

P/s. U're not dragons.

yodased · July 2016

I've never seen that before and it actually makes me think about a lot of things.

This is supposed to be a tank skill is pretty much the opposite of the projected basis of this game.

Saying that as an explanation means that in his head, the person who is charge of creating/balancing the classes has a specific mindset of what those classes should do/be.

Apparantly DK = TANK is within his head, although DK makes one of the best healers in the game and those DOTS in pve make it one of the best DPS.

The point is, when you try to shoehorn a specific skill into a specific role, it gets broken for so many playstyles.

I never got behind the blame @Wrobel fanfare, but I can understand why blame is placed if this is the way he is approaching balance, subjectively.

Wollust · July 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I don't know. I see Dk tanks in pvp surviving everything by using only dragon blood. I know many complain about it, because just like sun shield, it is not so good for the average ressource stacker. But in the hands of a tank with a higher health pool, it's definately a strong heal that is actually kinda OP in combination with Vampire passives and abilities.

Not all abilities are good for every spec. With that being said, I think Dragonblood is perfectly fine as it is.

Easy to say when you're a tank hating sorc.

And you're a well known Sorc hater So we are even.
I know that Dragonblood is not for everyone. But for tanks, it works pretty well.

DKs don't need more healing. They are already impossible to kill as a mage with all this wings spam and healing ward and burning embers, while still dealing the highest DPS.

I don't want to destroy your thread. I'm just telling my opinon.

What makes you think I hate sorcs? I don't like playing it myself mainly because I find the whole burst concept kinda meh, that's true, but that doesn't stop me from being objective regarding the class (and each other classes need). At least I have played more or less anything to be able to actually know what I talk about.

You're opinion is valid, but extremely biased so I don't really care

Liofa wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Armitas @Ishammael

Just google this please and tell me Burning Embers can't heal 4k HPS .

''ESO Flawless Conqueror vMA Heavy Armor Magicka Dk''

Just take a look at this . This is PvE but I did the same thing in PvP as well . I dueled more than 100 people on PTS . This thing works like magic and you still want Dragon Blood to heal like it used to . I just don't understand why you are so stubborn about this . It works , I did it , lots of people have done it . It is the cheesy mode of mDK basically ^^

BTW, I'm really impressed with the Flawless you got, I've been dying on stages 6-8 on a very similar build. Congratulations.

It is not me ^^ He is a very well known PvP player who plays a vampire mDK . Probably the best one I ever seen tbh .

Funny that you mention him because I've heard him complain about Dragon Blood (and magicka DK in general) more than enough.
So if one of the best magicka DKs out there complains about it, some points made here regarding this skill must be valid right?

Btw, Burning embers works fine in duels, that's true. Open world it's not a reliable self heal. And the classes should not be balanced around 1v1 anyway.
And Burning Embers also works on a whole other level in PvE. Quite the difference to Cyrodiil functionality.

So , you know him as well . You must have seen him fighting 1v10 fights as well too . He is a solid proof that Magicka DK don't need anymore healing ^^ ( and many more other Magicka DKs ) NesquikKid is also a very good mDK as well . Check his videos . There are so many examples of Magicka DKs who dominate PvP with Inhale , Burning Embers and Vampire . That is why I don't support increasing the healing of Dragon Blood . It will just bring back immortal mDKs back , which is not good ^^

Yes I think I have seen him play more than enough, as he is a guild mate. I know what he's capable of and it's pretty amazing, I agree. But basing a class on possibly one of the best magDKs out there is simply wrong. Because then you'd have to look at every other classes best players and compare them to each other. MagDK would lose this comparison easily if you could see what the bests of their class are capable of.

However, giving Dragon Blood its old functionality back will definitely not bring back immortal mDKs back. That is a thing of the past which was possible with dynamic ult and soft caps. In 1.6, mDKs were tanky as hell yes, there was stam regen and nirn, but nowadays you have to sacrifice much more to be able to take a beating. Dragon Blood would only give a beaten class some help, but it would not make them OP neither would it help them out on many other issues which remain unresolved.

Ashamray · July 2016

I personally don't want DK to be able to heal themselves even more than now. Dragon Blood could be remade to provide a bit more useful buffs, but not heal.

Liofa · July 2016

Ashamray wrote: »

I personally don't want DK to be able to heal themselves even more than now. Dragon Blood could be remade to provide a bit more useful buffs, but not heal.

Thank you . I really would like Minor Protection for my PvE tank or AOE damage every second (like Magma Armor) for my PvP Tank ^^ Both would work greatly for me .