Fix Malubeth

Master_Kas · July 2016

Fix the slowed movment speed, fix cloak, fix lag, fix gapclosers, fix willows path, fix clouding swarm.

All of these things have been mentioned in several comments and threads.

None of them are fixed or working as intended still.

Don't hold your breath for malu fix

Soris · July 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

Don't nerf this set Zos.

please don't nerf my 5K ticking vigors or my 16K BoLs

Only 5k and 16K with Malu?
Thats pretty weak, i can get 8k vigor ticks and 18k BoLs when it procs.

You are aware that those high numbers not just because of malubeth right?? Your entire build makes it possible.

20% of 8k is 1.6k
and 20% of 18k is 3.6k

So 20% more healing is not gonna make you unkillable.
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The tunnel vision is strong with you guys. There are certain builds that can dish out insane burst dmg in a very short time, no one gives a ***. But when it comes to surviving and face tanking, everyone loose their mind.

This game is about Xv1, outnumbered fights, root spam, jesus beam spam, heal debuff stack and cheesy ganking behind every corner.. Anything counters these toxic behaivors are welcomed from my pov. Not everyone is specced for roll dodging or perma block.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

Soris wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

Don't nerf this set Zos.

please don't nerf my 5K ticking vigors or my 16K BoLs

Only 5k and 16K with Malu?
Thats pretty weak, i can get 8k vigor ticks and 18k BoLs when it procs.

You are aware that those high numbers not just because of malubeth right?? Your entire build makes it possible.

20% of 8k is 1.6k
and 20% of 18k is 3.6k

So 20% more healing is not gonna make you unkillable.
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The tunnel vision is strong with you guys. There are certain builds that can dish out insane burst dmg in a very short time, no one gives a ***. But when it comes to surviving and face tanking, everyone loose their mind.

This game is about Xv1, outnumbered fights, root spam, jesus beam spam, heal debuff stack and cheesy ganking behind every corner.. Anything counters these toxic behaivors are welcomed from my pov. Not everyone is specced for roll dodging or perma block.

What are you even talking about? What build are you talking about?? Are you saying Malubeth is a counter to Xv1, rootspam, jesus beam spam, debuff stack, and cheesey ganking and thats its ok because it balances out? Sure its a counter to debuff stacking ill give you that one lmao but it is in no way a counter to these insane damage burst that youre talking about. Thats what heavy armor among other things is for. Also, your math doesnt even make sense. Youre just spouting nonsense. Explain how anyone could get 8k vigor ticks and 18k Bols without malubeth please. Go ahead, i really want to hear it lol.

Heres how it works, assuming my Vigor ticks for 4k (without battle spirit)
Healing done bonuses come from Major Mending (25%), Precise(20%), and Quick Recovery(20%). So thats 65% bonus healing.
So 4000*.65= 2600. So my new vigor heals will tick for 6600. Now lets not forget about Vitality (healing recieved). Since 6600 is what i will be recieving... then 6600*.08= 528. So my final heal after all is said and done will be 7100+ vigor ticks. Now lets apply the 30% heal bonus from Malubeth.... 7100*.30= 9230. So my final vigor ticks when Malubeth procs will be 9200+ heals PER TICK. Then you apply battlespirit in which case your vigor ticks will be 4500+.

Heres another example with breath of life assuming the tooltip says 8k.
Lets stack all the healing bonuses now: 8000*.65=5200. So my healing done would be 13200. Now lets do healing recieved bonuses: 13200*.08= 14200 which would be my new heal. But lets not forget about malubeth: 14200*.30=4260. So my final BoL heal would be 18460. With battlespirit, that roughly about 10k per button smash....

These numbers are all based on weak tooltip values but you can clearly see how big the heals get. And thats also without considering CRIT HEALS which would make it even more op.

If theres anyone who uses this set id like to introduce you to this thread lol
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/276007/how-to-be-a-garbage-player#latest

Neowit · July 2016

Lag is usually so bad that I can never tell whether Malubeth just proc'd, or the other guy just managed to heal up while I was attacking thin air. I would tolerate any broken set if it meant fixing lag was prioritized.

hrothbern · July 2016

The Malubeth 30% increased Healing is not earth moving as such
That Malubeth 30% as such boils down to 0.3 player more needed to kill him.

So to the "issue" that the Heal steal is too big or not:
The proc chance of Malubeth is 6%

So did anybody do the Math where the break even damage is per hit ?

If you do lower damage per tick/hit the gain of the Heal steal is bigger than the damage caused.
If you do higher damage per tick/hit, the gain of the Heal steal is smaller than the damage caused.

Anybody attacking the Malubeth character with "too low damage tick/hits" is only helping the Heal and sustain.
And perhaps THIS is what goes wrong in PVP: a L2P issue of players just "helping" the Malubeth character to survive.

So...
Did somebody do the Math where the break even is ?

EDIT:
Above question is for multiplayer combat situations.
1vs1 duelling is another situation.

Ampnode · July 2016

Soris wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

Don't nerf this set Zos.

please don't nerf my 5K ticking vigors or my 16K BoLs

Only 5k and 16K with Malu?
Thats pretty weak, i can get 8k vigor ticks and 18k BoLs when it procs.

You are aware that those high numbers not just because of malubeth right?? Your entire build makes it possible.

20% of 8k is 1.6k
and 20% of 18k is 3.6k

So 20% more healing is not gonna make you unkillable.
_____________________________________________
The tunnel vision is strong with you guys. There are certain builds that can dish out insane burst dmg in a very short time, no one gives a ***. But when it comes to surviving and face tanking, everyone loose their mind.

This game is about Xv1, outnumbered fights, root spam, jesus beam spam, heal debuff stack and cheesy ganking behind every corner.. Anything counters these toxic behaivors are welcomed from my pov. Not everyone is specced for roll dodging or perma block.

You're aware that it's 30% more healing instead of 20%, right? You're aware that you can stack that with CP, Major Mending, and Major Vitality, right? You're aware of all that, right?

I'm baffled that what you think the game is about makes it OK to stack 110% more healing. If my tooltip for my vigor can reach 28K and my WB can reach 14.6K then there's something obviously broken. High mitigation, high healing, high damage, high sustain. Yeah, that's what everyone has access to now. It's pathetic that this is what PvP has become. We all want everything and not deal with weaknesses. It was bad before, but Malubeth was the straw that broke the camel's back. Nowadays it doesn't take one person to kill another, because they're most of the time a stalemate. Now you need more than one person.

So you encouraging this set is just downright ignorant. You're blind by power is what it is. I get that you're annoyed about getting zerged on, but that's not a valid excuse to be OP. Also, the game isn't about Xv1. You need to get that out of your head by now. It's XvX, and that's all it ever will be. Reason why I don't even play anymore. When I do play, it's with a group of 3-4. Solo just isn't and will never be a viable playstyle for Cyrodiil. You'll find those few 1vX fights every now 'n' then, but there's nothing to feel good about beating a bunch of <300 CP players.

@hrothbern "0.3 player more needed to kill him" - smh

The defending arguments are getting less and less constructive.

tennant94 · July 2016

Give it the major mending buff while the beam holds or remove major mending from basic skills. Only solution.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

Ampnode wrote: »

@hrothbern "0.3 player more needed to kill him" - smh

The defending arguments are getting less and less constructive.

lol

Neowit · July 2016

Giving it major mending would also open the game to some cool healing builds.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

Love the part where he is knocked down and that thing alone is keeping him alive
]https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274143/video-malubeth-undaunted-set-healing-too-much#latest

maxjapank · July 2016

Neowit wrote: »

Giving it major mending would also open the game to some cool healing builds.

No. No. No. Not Major Mending. As others have said, if it must change, then change it to Major Vitality.

Shadesofkin · July 2016

Keep it the way it is.

Cinbri · July 2016

Best way to lure attention toward this problem - is to wear this set by yourself.
However peoples' solutions how to fix it are making me sad.

Synozeer · July 2016

The insanely bugged healing ticks are the real problem with this set. That should be first priority, then they can consider looking at the 30% additional heal based on how it performs after that.

PurifedBladez · July 2016

You guys defending malubeth.. Smh. A set zos confirmed was bugged and, you say not to fix it. I hope the fix the *** out of it so you guys running it can go back to dieing.

Neowit · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Neowit wrote: »

Giving it major mending would also open the game to some cool healing builds.

No. No. No. Not Major Mending. As others have said, if it must change, then change it to Major Vitality.

That would be a marginal change at best though. I guarantee you that every super tank walking around in Cyrodil isn't getting by on Major Vitality pots. It's also been said that this change would only free up the potion slot for people who do get Major Vitality this way.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

Synozeer wrote: »

The insanely bugged healing ticks are the real problem with this set. That should be first priority, then they can consider looking at the 30% additional heal based on how it performs after that.

Heres what they did to that heal tick according to the 2.4 PTS patch notes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261799/pts-patch-notes-v2-4-0/p1

Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.

Basically, that 7k insta heal u get when the set procs ignores Battlespirit. It can still crit heal and be boosted by other buffs like Mending, Vitality, and CP's. But the thing will still ignore battlespirit ffs.

Synozeer · July 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

The insanely bugged healing ticks are the real problem with this set. That should be first priority, then they can consider looking at the 30% additional heal based on how it performs after that.

Heres what they did to that heal tick according to the 2.4 PTS patch notes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261799/pts-patch-notes-v2-4-0/p1

Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit.

Basically, that 7k insta heal u get when the set procs ignores Battlespirit. It can still crit heal and be boosted by other buffs like Mending, Vitality, and CP's. But the thing will still ignore battlespirit ffs.

That still wouldn't explain the 20k-30ks healing ticks I'll often get from it, although no doubt whatever tweaks they did broke something else (which is par the course these days).

maxjapank · July 2016

PurifedBladez wrote: »

You guys defending malubeth.. Smh. A set zos confirmed was bugged and, you say not to fix it. I hope the fix the *** out of it so you guys running it can go back to dieing.

It was bugged. And it was fixed. That was confirmed by ZOS.

maxjapank · July 2016

Neowit wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Neowit wrote: »

Giving it major mending would also open the game to some cool healing builds.

No. No. No. Not Major Mending. As others have said, if it must change, then change it to Major Vitality.

That would be a marginal change at best though. I guarantee you that every super tank walking around in Cyrodil isn't getting by on Major Vitality pots. It's also been said that this change would only free up the potion slot for people who do get Major Vitality this way.

The problem is that wearing Malubeth doesn't make me stronger than someone wearing other available sets and gear. It isn't just Malubeth that is keeping me alive or getting me kills. But...those who are getting beat need something to blame. If it isn't this, then it's that. Rather than adapt their build or get better, they are asking for something to be nerfed once again. It's sad really.

Vangy · July 2016

I got so much hate yesterday for wearing this set it makes me sick. Dumb zerglings and their hate tells....

1. I run 30k resits.
2. 2.5k impen.
3. 35k health.
4. Fasallas + black rose + mal (2)
5. x3 block cost reduc enchants.
6. 50 points in shadow barrier.
7. Ive got 600 CP.

I stood there tanking and debuffing 20 players. My group comes in and wipes them. And I get rage telled by frigging randoms on how im an exploiter.... You DO realise im a DK running a 0 damage build with major mending + mal + 6 heavy + perma block right?

WHY the F is it TOTALLY OK for a VD + ULT group wipe or some dude to shuffle dodge roll x 100 but people totally flip out when they cant kill a guy in 2 seconds? I guarantee you 3-4 good players can still kill me even with those above stats. Its just stupid max damage ganking potatoes that cant deal with it.

In a 1 v 1 most battles just end in a stale mate cos I cant kill enemy and they cant kill me? Im doing what I am supposed to do. BE A TANK. Stop hitting the dude in full heavy running perma block? Or CC and burst if u can? Nothing in this game is unkillable cos of how insane no-capped damage is. Resists are worth jack *** and us tanks have to give up everything just to be able to tank a few people for a bit. How about we DECOUPLE healing from mag/stam? So if u want to run a max damage magblade or templar or NB, when you hit healing ward or vigor, it dosent heal u for more than 2k hp? Just make the healing scale off HP + resists or something.

STOP nerfing tanks. Nerf the damn DPS and penetration in this game.

Ishammael · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

I got so much hate yesterday for wearing this set it makes me sick. Dumb zerglings and their hate tells....

1. I run 30k resits.
2. 2.5k impen.
3. 35k health.
4. Fasallas + black rose + mal (2)
5. x3 block cost reduc enchants.
6. 50 points in shadow barrier.
7. Ive got 600 CP.

I stood there tanking and debuffing 20 players. My group comes in and wipes them. And I get rage telled by frigging randoms on how im an exploiter.... You DO realise im a DK running a 0 damage build with major mending + mal + 6 heavy + perma block right?

WHY the F is it TOTALLY OK for a VD + ULT group wipe or some dude to shuffle dodge roll x 100 but people totally flip out when they cant kill a guy in 2 seconds? I guarantee you 3-4 good players can still kill me even with those above stats. Its just stupid max damage ganking potatoes that cant deal with it.

In a 1 v 1 most battles just end in a stale mate cos I cant kill enemy and they cant kill me? Im doing what I am supposed to do. BE A TANK. Stop hitting the dude in full heavy running perma block? Or CC and burst if u can? Nothing in this game is unkillable cos of how insane no-capped damage is. Resists are worth jack *** and us tanks have to give up everything just to be able to tank a few people for a bit. How about we DECOUPLE healing from mag/stam? So if u want to run a max damage magblade or templar or NB, when you hit healing ward or vigor, it dosent heal u for more than 2k hp? Just make the healing scale off HP + resists or something.

STOP nerfing tanks. Nerf the damn DPS and penetration in this game.

Actually agree with this sentiment.
Although all the sets mentioned are stupid and should not have been part of the game.

Synozeer · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

You guys defending malubeth.. Smh. A set zos confirmed was bugged and, you say not to fix it. I hope the fix the *** out of it so you guys running it can go back to dieing.

It was bugged. And it was fixed. That was confirmed by ZOS.

Something was supposedly fixed with it. It's still broken. I've already confirmed it with a video made after the patch, as have other people with similar experiences.

Vangy · July 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I got so much hate yesterday for wearing this set it makes me sick. Dumb zerglings and their hate tells....

1. I run 30k resits.
2. 2.5k impen.
3. 35k health.
4. Fasallas + black rose + mal (2)
5. x3 block cost reduc enchants.
6. 50 points in shadow barrier.
7. Ive got 600 CP.

I stood there tanking and debuffing 20 players. My group comes in and wipes them. And I get rage telled by frigging randoms on how im an exploiter.... You DO realise im a DK running a 0 damage build with major mending + mal + 6 heavy + perma block right?

WHY the F is it TOTALLY OK for a VD + ULT group wipe or some dude to shuffle dodge roll x 100 but people totally flip out when they cant kill a guy in 2 seconds? I guarantee you 3-4 good players can still kill me even with those above stats. Its just stupid max damage ganking potatoes that cant deal with it.

In a 1 v 1 most battles just end in a stale mate cos I cant kill enemy and they cant kill me? Im doing what I am supposed to do. BE A TANK. Stop hitting the dude in full heavy running perma block? Or CC and burst if u can? Nothing in this game is unkillable cos of how insane no-capped damage is. Resists are worth jack *** and us tanks have to give up everything just to be able to tank a few people for a bit. How about we DECOUPLE healing from mag/stam? So if u want to run a max damage magblade or templar or NB, when you hit healing ward or vigor, it dosent heal u for more than 2k hp? Just make the healing scale off HP + resists or something.

STOP nerfing tanks. Nerf the damn DPS and penetration in this game.

Actually agree with this sentiment.
Although all the sets mentioned are stupid and should not have been part of the game.

Wth is wrong with fasallas and black rose? They actually give true 0 damage tank support builds a purpose in PvP instead of being pointless AP leeches.

maxjapank · July 2016

Synozeer wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

You guys defending malubeth.. Smh. A set zos confirmed was bugged and, you say not to fix it. I hope the fix the *** out of it so you guys running it can go back to dieing.

It was bugged. And it was fixed. That was confirmed by ZOS.

Something was supposedly fixed with it. It's still broken. I've already confirmed it with a video made after the patch, as have other people with similar experiences.

I havent experienced anything buggy with it. Must be on your end.

Ishammael · July 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I got so much hate yesterday for wearing this set it makes me sick. Dumb zerglings and their hate tells....

1. I run 30k resits.
2. 2.5k impen.
3. 35k health.
4. Fasallas + black rose + mal (2)
5. x3 block cost reduc enchants.
6. 50 points in shadow barrier.
7. Ive got 600 CP.

I stood there tanking and debuffing 20 players. My group comes in and wipes them. And I get rage telled by frigging randoms on how im an exploiter.... You DO realise im a DK running a 0 damage build with major mending + mal + 6 heavy + perma block right?

WHY the F is it TOTALLY OK for a VD + ULT group wipe or some dude to shuffle dodge roll x 100 but people totally flip out when they cant kill a guy in 2 seconds? I guarantee you 3-4 good players can still kill me even with those above stats. Its just stupid max damage ganking potatoes that cant deal with it.

In a 1 v 1 most battles just end in a stale mate cos I cant kill enemy and they cant kill me? Im doing what I am supposed to do. BE A TANK. Stop hitting the dude in full heavy running perma block? Or CC and burst if u can? Nothing in this game is unkillable cos of how insane no-capped damage is. Resists are worth jack *** and us tanks have to give up everything just to be able to tank a few people for a bit. How about we DECOUPLE healing from mag/stam? So if u want to run a max damage magblade or templar or NB, when you hit healing ward or vigor, it dosent heal u for more than 2k hp? Just make the healing scale off HP + resists or something.

STOP nerfing tanks. Nerf the damn DPS and penetration in this game.

Actually agree with this sentiment.
Although all the sets mentioned are stupid and should not have been part of the game.

Wth is wrong with fasallas and black rose? They actually give true 0 damage tank support builds a purpose in PvP instead of being pointless AP leeches.

50% heal debuff is too strong.

Black Rose is fine.

Synozeer · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

You guys defending malubeth.. Smh. A set zos confirmed was bugged and, you say not to fix it. I hope the fix the *** out of it so you guys running it can go back to dieing.

It was bugged. And it was fixed. That was confirmed by ZOS.

Something was supposedly fixed with it. It's still broken. I've already confirmed it with a video made after the patch, as have other people with similar experiences.

I havent experienced anything buggy with it. Must be on your end.

Mine and several other peoples'. But if everyone is okay with me getting 20k+ healing ticks then hey, no complaints here.

Solariken · July 2016

I just don't understand why so many potatoes are coming into this thread acting like Malubeth is "fine" and that it has "plenty of counters" - you're just revealing to the rest of the community what skill-less and honor-less baddies you are.

I for one prefer at least an attempt at a balanced game, not this garbage cheesefest that more and more people are running lately. I don't want to pour all the salt on people who wear it to play solo and 1vX, they aren't the true offenders... it's the *** magicka Templars running in groups (especially in IC) that are the real cancer.

FFS, this circus has gone on long enough. This set is many times more powerful than Bloodspawn, and even THAT has a 6s cooldown. The beam should be Major Vitality and the lifesteal should be more like 2k, and the damned thing needs a 6s cooldown. That would at least bring it down to the level of Bloodspawn.

maxjapank · July 2016

Solariken wrote: »

I just don't understand why so many potatoes are coming into this thread acting like Malubeth is "fine" and that it has "plenty of counters" - you're just revealing to the rest of the community what skill-less and honor-less baddies you are.

I used Malubeth before DB came out. And I haven't noticed anything different about it before and after. It's always been a powerful monster set, but as I've said, there are equally poweful sets out there.

But interesting how you come in and denounce players as baddies for using viable builds and sets.

PainfulFAFA · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I just don't understand why so many potatoes are coming into this thread acting like Malubeth is "fine" and that it has "plenty of counters" - you're just revealing to the rest of the community what skill-less and honor-less baddies you are.

I used Malubeth before DB came out. And I haven't noticed anything different about it before and after. It's always been a powerful monster set, but as I've said, there are equally poweful sets out there.

But interesting how you come in and denounce players as baddies for using viable builds and sets.

I used it before DB as well, and as soon as i tested it after DB, i immediately noticed something was off.