Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?

Transairion · June 2016

Towerdragon wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Feels like a really odd choice by Zenimax.

Cash gained by a few people subscribing VS Cash gained by everyone who spends Crowns buying costumes from the Crown store to dye?

Subscribers don't make a lot of money, it's why ESO went Buy to Play instead of staying Sub Only. It's why SWTOR stopped being Sub only. I can't understand the logic.

You bring up Swtor the game is horrible if you don't sub limiting dungeons runs to I think 3 or 5 a week , limitingaccess to pvp, making you pay for quick slot bars making you pay to unlock hide helmet feature. the list goes on subscribers are where the bulk of ZoS income comes from. if you can make people commit for 6 months that's usually a guarantee that they will be playing for 6 months. On top of the 9000 crowns you get for 6 months they want you to use them all and buy more ( which I have actually done from time to time) the real reason ESO made the sub optional was to appeal to console players most likely.

SWTOR's non-sub system is horrible, yes. I came (back) to ESO when it went Buy to Play, so then if I get bored I can quit and can hop back in anytime. With SWTOR, the game basically becomes unplayable (right now they went back to sub-only system for new content anyway) and I really don't want to see ESO go down the same line of thinking.

SWTOR failed as sub only, that's a fact. ESO failed as sub only, that's a fact. ESO doesn't even have a F2P option, but apparently being a non-sub means you can't want for anything apparently.

Dyeing costumes is a very minor change for Zeni to make (literally just adding costumes to the dye system that already exists), so I'm pretty baffled they decided to make it sub only. They stood to make far more money with anyone (sub or otherwise) buying Crowns to buy costumes and dyeing them how they liked: a lot of terrible Crown Costumes would actually look good dye'd, they just have a horrible original color scheme!

Imagine if the Crown Store was sub only as a whole? ESO would be long dead from lack of funds. Subs pay for some of the game, but don't kid yourself thinking non-subs don't drop more on the Crown Store. Non-subs are the reason ESO is online still at all, there's a lot of us.

JKorr · June 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I bought a bookcase. I want to change the color from Oak to Hunter Green. Why do I have to buy the paint?

Did you seriously just ask that?!? You go buy furniture in real life, do you think the furniture store is going to just give you green paint so you can change the color of it?

My point, actually.

People bought the costumes. The costumes come in a certain color. The people who bought them knew they came in a certain color. People now want to change it. They are going to sell you the paint to change the color of the costume you bought.

Personal preference. I've never even used the costumes that we're given, the seducer/saint/whatevers. I have no plans to buy any costumes. Now if they bring back the clouded leopard senche....

JKorr · June 2016

Niastissa wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

Lysette wrote:

Well of course - they put in effort and that costed money to create these features - why do you expect them to do that for free. If you have to do over-time for your boss, do you expect him to pay you for this extra effort or are you saying, well, you paid me already, all fine, so I work this over-time for free. - You don't, and why do you expect ZOS to do over-time for free just because you paid for the game already.

Where are we getting the free thing from? I will gladly pay 20-40 bucks for a DLC or two that includes the crafting bags, entire dye customization system, racial change, and appearance change. Game expansions sell equals developer makes money.

What bothers is me is this piece meal buy over and over thing. That isn't buy to play it is micro transaction free to play stuff.

I repeat, if I could have the convenience of owning those features in my game without having to re-purchase stuff over and over I would buy the convenience DLC pack. They way they are doing dyes and barber shop is like If I bought the imperial race but in order to customize it or If I deleted it, I lose it and have to repurchase the race.

when they announced the crafting bag they stated clearly it will be ESO+ exclusive - what does this tell you?- it means, you will not get it without to subscribe. And they said it early on - long before the bags were actually available. Now there is another exclusive perk - the freedom to use the dying system like we have it on armors as well for costumes - and guess what, there are more exclusive perks to be expected in future - so if you want these exclusive stuffs/features, you have to sub, if you don't, you won't get it. What is is so hard to understand with the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

What is so hard for you to understand about paying for the feature when it is delivered and not paying a subscription based on promises of things to come from a company with no morals and a history of scamming its customers?

I'm still looking for the scam. Apparently I am worlds apart from your definition of the word.

I pay the sub, and I use the crowns I earn from subbing to buy the dlc. I was subbed from day one. I have crowns I don't use unless its to buy mimic stones to craft for my guilds. If I stop my sub I still have access to all the dlc. Unless I consider the time I've spent playing the game as wasted, I still don't see how they are "scamming" me. I have access to the game while I'm subbed with perks thrown in, and I have access to the game and the dlc I bought if I stop my sub. The only thing I've lost is the time I put into the game, and since I'm still having fun, I don't consider that a "scam".

I don't consider paying a sub to be paying for promises; I consider it to be paying for a game, entertainment that is cheaper per month than just about anything else I can do for enjoyment. The crowns they don't have to give me for that sub is a bonus. Adding things like the dyes and crafting bag are nice perks/bonuses. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Niastissa · June 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

Lysette wrote:

Well of course - they put in effort and that costed money to create these features - why do you expect them to do that for free. If you have to do over-time for your boss, do you expect him to pay you for this extra effort or are you saying, well, you paid me already, all fine, so I work this over-time for free. - You don't, and why do you expect ZOS to do over-time for free just because you paid for the game already.

Where are we getting the free thing from? I will gladly pay 20-40 bucks for a DLC or two that includes the crafting bags, entire dye customization system, racial change, and appearance change. Game expansions sell equals developer makes money.

What bothers is me is this piece meal buy over and over thing. That isn't buy to play it is micro transaction free to play stuff.

I repeat, if I could have the convenience of owning those features in my game without having to re-purchase stuff over and over I would buy the convenience DLC pack. They way they are doing dyes and barber shop is like If I bought the imperial race but in order to customize it or If I deleted it, I lose it and have to repurchase the race.

when they announced the crafting bag they stated clearly it will be ESO+ exclusive - what does this tell you?- it means, you will not get it without to subscribe. And they said it early on - long before the bags were actually available. Now there is another exclusive perk - the freedom to use the dying system like we have it on armors as well for costumes - and guess what, there are more exclusive perks to be expected in future - so if you want these exclusive stuffs/features, you have to sub, if you don't, you won't get it. What is is so hard to understand with the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

What is so hard for you to understand about paying for the feature when it is delivered and not paying a subscription based on promises of things to come from a company with no morals and a history of scamming its customers?

I'm still looking for the scam. Apparently I am worlds apart from your definition of the word.

I pay the sub, and I use the crowns I earn from subbing to buy the dlc. I was subbed from day one. I have crowns I don't use unless its to buy mimic stones to craft for my guilds. If I stop my sub I still have access to all the dlc. Unless I consider the time I've spent playing the game as wasted, I still don't see how they are "scamming" me. I have access to the game while I'm subbed with perks thrown in, and I have access to the game and the dlc I bought if I stop my sub. The only thing I've lost is the time I put into the game, and since I'm still having fun, I don't consider that a "scam".

I don't consider paying a sub to be paying for promises; I consider it to be paying for a game, entertainment that is cheaper per month than just about anything else I can do for enjoyment. The crowns they don't have to give me for that sub is a bonus. Adding things like the dyes and crafting bag are nice perks/bonuses. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Maybe if you read my full posts instead of pulling things out of context you would understand but understanding isn't your goal.

JKorr · June 2016

Niastissa wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

Lysette wrote:

Well of course - they put in effort and that costed money to create these features - why do you expect them to do that for free. If you have to do over-time for your boss, do you expect him to pay you for this extra effort or are you saying, well, you paid me already, all fine, so I work this over-time for free. - You don't, and why do you expect ZOS to do over-time for free just because you paid for the game already.

Where are we getting the free thing from? I will gladly pay 20-40 bucks for a DLC or two that includes the crafting bags, entire dye customization system, racial change, and appearance change. Game expansions sell equals developer makes money.

What bothers is me is this piece meal buy over and over thing. That isn't buy to play it is micro transaction free to play stuff.

I repeat, if I could have the convenience of owning those features in my game without having to re-purchase stuff over and over I would buy the convenience DLC pack. They way they are doing dyes and barber shop is like If I bought the imperial race but in order to customize it or If I deleted it, I lose it and have to repurchase the race.

when they announced the crafting bag they stated clearly it will be ESO+ exclusive - what does this tell you?- it means, you will not get it without to subscribe. And they said it early on - long before the bags were actually available. Now there is another exclusive perk - the freedom to use the dying system like we have it on armors as well for costumes - and guess what, there are more exclusive perks to be expected in future - so if you want these exclusive stuffs/features, you have to sub, if you don't, you won't get it. What is is so hard to understand with the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

What is so hard for you to understand about paying for the feature when it is delivered and not paying a subscription based on promises of things to come from a company with no morals and a history of scamming its customers?

I'm still looking for the scam. Apparently I am worlds apart from your definition of the word.

I pay the sub, and I use the crowns I earn from subbing to buy the dlc. I was subbed from day one. I have crowns I don't use unless its to buy mimic stones to craft for my guilds. If I stop my sub I still have access to all the dlc. Unless I consider the time I've spent playing the game as wasted, I still don't see how they are "scamming" me. I have access to the game while I'm subbed with perks thrown in, and I have access to the game and the dlc I bought if I stop my sub. The only thing I've lost is the time I put into the game, and since I'm still having fun, I don't consider that a "scam".

I don't consider paying a sub to be paying for promises; I consider it to be paying for a game, entertainment that is cheaper per month than just about anything else I can do for enjoyment. The crowns they don't have to give me for that sub is a bonus. Adding things like the dyes and crafting bag are nice perks/bonuses. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Maybe if you read my full posts instead of pulling things out of context you would understand but understanding isn't your goal.

At this point, what difference does it make? You are being scammed by your own definition and nothing anyone says will matter. I replied to the parts of your posts you keep reposting over and over, like the scamming. So. :shrug: Hope you can find a game that won't scam you, won't ever "force" you to pay for anything after the initial game, and that you will enjoy.

My goal, if I had one, would have been to keep this game pc only, and sub only, to be truthful. The delivery of new content started to slow to glacial when the game coming to consoles was announced. With the console certification requirement for patches, there are no quick "Hey we can fix this" patches like might be possible with pc only. I believe there are different levels of expectations for content between pc and console as well, and those expectations don't co-exist well. As I said, YMMV.

Khenarthi · June 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So more incentive to sub eh? Wonder what's next... No really I do wonder.

strange that you dont need a sub to get:

the extra load screens
the enhanced pve lag
the ui menu glitch (skills and group roles menu that appears out of nowhere)
the falling through the map bug
the mages guild quest not being able to advance after the first book of eyevea
invisible adds, enemy and friendly
broken wayshrines
the audio crackle glitch
the unusually long load screens
random fall damage
adds, enemies, players and engine guardians that can fly

ZOS would make a fortune if these were crown store purchase add ons

You did get poisons for free in the last update, yes?

If they had made poisons only available to subs, that would have been blatantly P2W. Hell, I and a good amount of others didn't even want poisons in the first place.

That's precisely my point: when it comes to something that matters, everyone gets it: subbers, crown buyers, and people who only made the original purchase. Crown/sub things are simply cosmetic and convenient and in no way a "must have" - if you feel you must have them, you know how to obtain them

I have a character who can craft everything the game has as craftable and I played just fine with no crafting bag until it was released... this outcry about dyeing costumes is even more ridiculous.

CherryCake · June 2016

Oh wow how rude of us, to think cosmetic things are a must have in a role playing game!

Clarkieson · June 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

This guy won't listen. He cheers when then game gets more expensive.

THIS.

So many people. They KNOW how gready this company has become and they like it, wth people do you grow money on trees?
People are getting a bit strange on this forum to be honest... we ask for the most basic things that most games have to begin with, they implement it after years of constant begging, for real money and making it clear for the beginning that they dont care about non subs, and people on the forums go "awwww thank you Zos, omg Zos you are so good to us" what the......heck?

Mark my words, they also started to bring out dungeons only if you buy them, I give it two years until this game becomes fully buy to play or pay to win.

pay to win is an interesting concept

if you do not pay subs or buy the latest dlc you cannot craft the latest armour and weapons which means you will lose any competitive edge you may or may not have. most builds these days require dlc content equipment. i know you do not have to use the latest sets but ZOS have an obsession with nerfs or rebalancing so builds are now fluid and subject to change.

i have heard that people will pay other players to do maelstrom runs on their accounts, paying to win.

people pay real life currency to players for in game gold. we would all like to buy all the gold tempers and kutas in the guild stores to gain an advantage, but some people will never sink that low.

buy to play is a bit meaningless, if you do not buy you do not play.

the state of the game right now is also a curious matter. if it is not sub based then why offer the option? if you do not need the latest dlc why make armour sets exclusive to dlc content?

the whole concept stinks of being a scam, with no recompense to the customers. we are literally paying money for old rope as the saying goes. its a great business model to be sure, sell a product with no intention of making it work then change the product periodically and charge for the privilege over and over and over again .

so far ZOS has sold all its customers a “lemon” and if people buy broken products time and time again it only encourage ZOS to keep selling badly coded and broken content in future, in other words they got away with it before and will continue to do so.

JKorr · June 2016

Clarkieson wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

This guy won't listen. He cheers when then game gets more expensive.

THIS.

So many people. They KNOW how gready this company has become and they like it, wth people do you grow money on trees?
People are getting a bit strange on this forum to be honest... we ask for the most basic things that most games have to begin with, they implement it after years of constant begging, for real money and making it clear for the beginning that they dont care about non subs, and people on the forums go "awwww thank you Zos, omg Zos you are so good to us" what the......heck?

Mark my words, they also started to bring out dungeons only if you buy them, I give it two years until this game becomes fully buy to play or pay to win.

pay to win is an interesting concept

if you do not pay subs or buy the latest dlc you cannot craft the latest armour and weapons which means you will lose any competitive edge you may or may not have. most builds these days require dlc content equipment. i know you do not have to use the latest sets but ZOS have an obsession with nerfs or rebalancing so builds are now fluid and subject to change.

i have heard that people will pay other players to do maelstrom runs on their accounts, paying to win.

people pay real life currency to players for in game gold. we would all like to buy all the gold tempers and kutas in the guild stores to gain an advantage, but some people will never sink that low.

buy to play is a bit meaningless, if you do not buy you do not play.

the state of the game right now is also a curious matter. if it is not sub based then why offer the option? if you do not need the latest dlc why make armour sets exclusive to dlc content?

the whole concept stinks of being a scam, with no recompense to the customers. we are literally paying money for old rope as the saying goes. its a great business model to be sure, sell a product with no intention of making it work then change the product periodically and charge for the privilege over and over and over again .

so far ZOS has sold all its customers a “lemon” and if people buy broken products time and time again it only encourage ZOS to keep selling badly coded and broken content in future, in other words they got away with it before and will continue to do so.

I'm honestly curious. I sub, so I can't find out.

If you *don't* sub, can you still go to guild kiosks and buy the motifs to make gear from the dlcs? Players who do have the dlc are selling the motifs and style stones/items. Since the players who don't sub can still buy items from guild merchants;kiosks, are they really blocked from the equipment/gear/weapons/styles? The people who don't sub and don't buy the dlc can't go to the dlc areas, but are they really blocked from getting the motifs and style mats?

You can always get a friend or guildie who has the dlc to make you the gear.

Niastissa · June 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

Lysette wrote:

Well of course - they put in effort and that costed money to create these features - why do you expect them to do that for free. If you have to do over-time for your boss, do you expect him to pay you for this extra effort or are you saying, well, you paid me already, all fine, so I work this over-time for free. - You don't, and why do you expect ZOS to do over-time for free just because you paid for the game already.

Where are we getting the free thing from? I will gladly pay 20-40 bucks for a DLC or two that includes the crafting bags, entire dye customization system, racial change, and appearance change. Game expansions sell equals developer makes money.

What bothers is me is this piece meal buy over and over thing. That isn't buy to play it is micro transaction free to play stuff.

I repeat, if I could have the convenience of owning those features in my game without having to re-purchase stuff over and over I would buy the convenience DLC pack. They way they are doing dyes and barber shop is like If I bought the imperial race but in order to customize it or If I deleted it, I lose it and have to repurchase the race.

when they announced the crafting bag they stated clearly it will be ESO+ exclusive - what does this tell you?- it means, you will not get it without to subscribe. And they said it early on - long before the bags were actually available. Now there is another exclusive perk - the freedom to use the dying system like we have it on armors as well for costumes - and guess what, there are more exclusive perks to be expected in future - so if you want these exclusive stuffs/features, you have to sub, if you don't, you won't get it. What is is so hard to understand with the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

What is so hard for you to understand about paying for the feature when it is delivered and not paying a subscription based on promises of things to come from a company with no morals and a history of scamming its customers?

I'm still looking for the scam. Apparently I am worlds apart from your definition of the word.

I pay the sub, and I use the crowns I earn from subbing to buy the dlc. I was subbed from day one. I have crowns I don't use unless its to buy mimic stones to craft for my guilds. If I stop my sub I still have access to all the dlc. Unless I consider the time I've spent playing the game as wasted, I still don't see how they are "scamming" me. I have access to the game while I'm subbed with perks thrown in, and I have access to the game and the dlc I bought if I stop my sub. The only thing I've lost is the time I put into the game, and since I'm still having fun, I don't consider that a "scam".

I don't consider paying a sub to be paying for promises; I consider it to be paying for a game, entertainment that is cheaper per month than just about anything else I can do for enjoyment. The crowns they don't have to give me for that sub is a bonus. Adding things like the dyes and crafting bag are nice perks/bonuses. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Maybe if you read my full posts instead of pulling things out of context you would understand but understanding isn't your goal.

JKorr wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

Lysette wrote:

Well of course - they put in effort and that costed money to create these features - why do you expect them to do that for free. If you have to do over-time for your boss, do you expect him to pay you for this extra effort or are you saying, well, you paid me already, all fine, so I work this over-time for free. - You don't, and why do you expect ZOS to do over-time for free just because you paid for the game already.

Where are we getting the free thing from? I will gladly pay 20-40 bucks for a DLC or two that includes the crafting bags, entire dye customization system, racial change, and appearance change. Game expansions sell equals developer makes money.

What bothers is me is this piece meal buy over and over thing. That isn't buy to play it is micro transaction free to play stuff.

I repeat, if I could have the convenience of owning those features in my game without having to re-purchase stuff over and over I would buy the convenience DLC pack. They way they are doing dyes and barber shop is like If I bought the imperial race but in order to customize it or If I deleted it, I lose it and have to repurchase the race.

when they announced the crafting bag they stated clearly it will be ESO+ exclusive - what does this tell you?- it means, you will not get it without to subscribe. And they said it early on - long before the bags were actually available. Now there is another exclusive perk - the freedom to use the dying system like we have it on armors as well for costumes - and guess what, there are more exclusive perks to be expected in future - so if you want these exclusive stuffs/features, you have to sub, if you don't, you won't get it. What is is so hard to understand with the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

What is so hard for you to understand about paying for the feature when it is delivered and not paying a subscription based on promises of things to come from a company with no morals and a history of scamming its customers?

I'm still looking for the scam. Apparently I am worlds apart from your definition of the word.

I pay the sub, and I use the crowns I earn from subbing to buy the dlc. I was subbed from day one. I have crowns I don't use unless its to buy mimic stones to craft for my guilds. If I stop my sub I still have access to all the dlc. Unless I consider the time I've spent playing the game as wasted, I still don't see how they are "scamming" me. I have access to the game while I'm subbed with perks thrown in, and I have access to the game and the dlc I bought if I stop my sub. The only thing I've lost is the time I put into the game, and since I'm still having fun, I don't consider that a "scam".

I don't consider paying a sub to be paying for promises; I consider it to be paying for a game, entertainment that is cheaper per month than just about anything else I can do for enjoyment. The crowns they don't have to give me for that sub is a bonus. Adding things like the dyes and crafting bag are nice perks/bonuses. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Maybe if you read my full posts instead of pulling things out of context you would understand but understanding isn't your goal.

At this point, what difference does it make? You are being scammed by your own definition and nothing anyone says will matter. I replied to the parts of your posts you keep reposting over and over, like the scamming. So. :shrug: Hope you can find a game that won't scam you, won't ever "force" you to pay for anything after the initial game, and that you will enjoy.

My goal, if I had one, would have been to keep this game pc only, and sub only, to be truthful. The delivery of new content started to slow to glacial when the game coming to consoles was announced. With the console certification requirement for patches, there are no quick "Hey we can fix this" patches like might be possible with pc only. I believe there are different levels of expectations for content between pc and console as well, and those expectations don't co-exist well. As I said, YMMV.

I would have loved to see this game stay on the PC. I was a paying subscriber since 2014 when I first saw the game at Best Buy. When it went buy to play I quit for a while because I was upset that they used the subscription money to release console versions and gave us next to nothing.

Then I came back and bought content because I figured they where heading to the buy to play model with micro transactions. However I find out after the fact that the buy to play model is a sub model to the stay subscribed and you get more.

I'm bitter because first my subscription money went to paying for a platform I don't play on to be developed. Then money I spent on DLC was used to make the subscription model make the fact that I wasted money not the DLC a complete real life cash sink.

That is why I feel it was like a scam.

You want to willingly ignore the fact that people not subscribed at the moment haven't spent hundreds of dollars on this game then you deserve everything you get from here on out.

Zyle · June 2016

Hahah ZOS is getting pretty greedy. Anyways, still not enough for me to sub but it's kind of amusing how quick people are willing to throw more money at them while telling themselves ZOS uses their money wisely

CherryCake · June 2016

Thank you @Clarkieson you were putting far better than I ever could.
I agree completely, it is our fault. Zos sees that we keep on supporting them and not only, thanking them for broken or expensive content that should have been there by default so obviously this will never change. Thank you community, you guys are absolutely awesome. I really wonder how those players that dont visit the forums feel about everything that ZOS is doing. Yes ZOS, there are other people that play your games not just these ones that write on the forum.

And a side note, stop comparing real life things with a game. Yes in real life you buy a piece of clothing and you can dye it how you want by buying the dye. But this is not real life, its a game, where you pay the same amount of money for a hairstyle (soon) or an npc that you do for another FULL GAME.

Khenarthi · June 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Niastissa wrote: »

This guy won't listen. He cheers when then game gets more expensive.

THIS.

So many people. They KNOW how gready this company has become and they like it, wth people do you grow money on trees?
People are getting a bit strange on this forum to be honest... we ask for the most basic things that most games have to begin with, they implement it after years of constant begging, for real money and making it clear for the beginning that they dont care about non subs, and people on the forums go "awwww thank you Zos, omg Zos you are so good to us" what the......heck?

Mark my words, they also started to bring out dungeons only if you buy them, I give it two years until this game becomes fully buy to play or pay to win.

pay to win is an interesting concept

if you do not pay subs or buy the latest dlc you cannot craft the latest armour and weapons which means you will lose any competitive edge you may or may not have. most builds these days require dlc content equipment. i know you do not have to use the latest sets but ZOS have an obsession with nerfs or rebalancing so builds are now fluid and subject to change.

i have heard that people will pay other players to do maelstrom runs on their accounts, paying to win.

people pay real life currency to players for in game gold. we would all like to buy all the gold tempers and kutas in the guild stores to gain an advantage, but some people will never sink that low.

buy to play is a bit meaningless, if you do not buy you do not play.

the state of the game right now is also a curious matter. if it is not sub based then why offer the option? if you do not need the latest dlc why make armour sets exclusive to dlc content?

the whole concept stinks of being a scam, with no recompense to the customers. we are literally paying money for old rope as the saying goes. its a great business model to be sure, sell a product with no intention of making it work then change the product periodically and charge for the privilege over and over and over again .

so far ZOS has sold all its customers a “lemon” and if people buy broken products time and time again it only encourage ZOS to keep selling badly coded and broken content in future, in other words they got away with it before and will continue to do so.

I'm honestly curious. I sub, so I can't find out.

If you *don't* sub, can you still go to guild kiosks and buy the motifs to make gear from the dlcs? Players who do have the dlc are selling the motifs and style stones/items. Since the players who don't sub can still buy items from guild merchants;kiosks, are they really blocked from the equipment/gear/weapons/styles? The people who don't sub and don't buy the dlc can't go to the dlc areas, but are they really blocked from getting the motifs and style mats?

You can always get a friend or guildie who has the dlc to make you the gear.

Cp150/160 BoP gear can be bought in kiosks, and the materials themselves (ingots, cloth, wood...) can even be found in Cyro nodes and naturally by deconstructing gear. Their argument is invalid.

Motifs/styles can be bought too but those have no impact on making the gear competitive.

Alurria · June 2016

Such a hard concept, sub or don't sub the choice is yours. This is the money model they chose and I can almost bet there were a ton of meetings about this prior. It's not new, subscribers provide a steady income, people who buy crowns whenever don't.

Btw I am sure that subscribers also purchase extra crowns..I know I do. It's a win win for ZOS. Does anyone really think the lights stay on when you are free to play? Micro transactions most games have them now, anyone who has played MMOs saw this coming years ago. I prefer sub models but with all the crappy MMOs some company's have cranked out as cash grabs no wonder people are bitter. I would rather pay 20$ Or 30$ a month and get all this included to a company. I like fluff...so I purchase crowns and sub and use my crowns to purchase all dlc.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

Really just looking for comment @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_KaiSchober on the ESO plus or crowns purchase in regards to Xbox one knowing you all have yet to resolve the issues with ESO plus and there are no plans and an ETA after 12+ months

Niastissa · June 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Such a hard concept, sub or don't sub the choice is yours. This is the money model they chose and I can almost bet there were a ton of meetings about this prior. It's not new, subscribers provide a steady income, people who buy crowns whenever don't.

Btw I am sure that subscribers also purchase extra crowns..I know I do. It's a win win for ZOS. Does anyone really think the lights stay on when you are free to play? Micro transactions most games have them now, anyone who has played MMOs saw this coming years ago. I prefer sub models but with all the crappy MMOs some company's have cranked out as cash grabs no wonder people are bitter. I would rather pay 20$ Or 30$ a month and get all this included to a company. I like fluff...so I purchase crowns and sub and use my crowns to purchase all dlc.

No one here is asking or wants for free to play. Quit it with that straw man argument.

A_Pig · June 2016

I am very much someone who prefers to buy DLC and anything I want rather than pay monthly. But Crafting Bags and now Dying costumes whenever you want are great incentives for me for sure, if current console issues are reduced I will definitely think about it.

Can you dye all costumes, even those you earn from quests or just Crown store ones?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Oh wow how rude of us, to think cosmetic things are a must have in a role playing game!

What is rude is to believe that everything must be free

Cazzy · June 2016

Jesus, guys...

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Really just looking for comment @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_KaiSchober on the ESO plus or crowns purchase in regards to Xbox one knowing you all have yet to resolve the issues with ESO plus and there are no plans and an ETA after 12+ months

Again you keep saying this. There is no issue with ESO+ on Xbox. I subbed for over a year with no issue. I know at least 50 people who sub with no issue. YOU are the only person going in every thread and making this statement. Again, maybe it's on your end.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

@Niastissa those words "unethical" and "scam" I'm pretty sure they don't mean what you think they mean.

Van_0S · June 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

Jesus, guys...

No naming and Shaming. ZO$ rules......

Moonscythe · June 2016

Considering the sub is not working correctly on Xbox then it would be better for costume dyes to be crown store purchases along side the costumes themselves. I haven't plowed through the massive reaction to the announcement so I don't know. Does a dye go away if a sub is dropped or is it kept but unchangeable?

The whole crown store/sub perk thing seems more than a little made-up on-the-fly as if the had not really considered the details before they sprang it on the players. Gee, that does kind of sound like a ZOS kind of thing doesn't it? Nevertheless, if everyone can't subscribe equally then it isn't fair to hide a desired option behind a sub.

Cazzy · June 2016

Van_0S wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

Jesus, guys...

No naming and Shaming. ZO$ rules......

Haha!

CherryCake · June 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Oh wow how rude of us, to think cosmetic things are a must have in a role playing game!

What is rude is to believe that everything must be free

Because buying once as a perk from the crown store means its free?

No wait I forgot that you subs think its only your money that counts.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Niastissa wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

@Niastissa those words "unethical" and "scam" I'm pretty sure they don't mean what you think they mean.

Unethical is not morally correct. Scamming is a series of bogus investment deals.

As in ZOS intentionally sold DLC (investment) to people without a subscription telling them they can play without a monthly fee. Then a year later start adding things to the subscribers who get the DLC for free (ethical considering the circumstances) and have plans to gimp players that don't subscribe by 100 champion levels.

Oh yeah I know what the words I use mean. Obviously you don't though.

Then let me direct you to another set of words you may find enlightening: sunk cost.

Alurria · June 2016

Niastissa wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

@Niastissa those words "unethical" and "scam" I'm pretty sure they don't mean what you think they mean.

Unethical is not morally correct. Scamming is a series of bogus investment deals.

As in ZOS intentionally sold DLC (investment) to people without a subscription telling them they can play without a monthly fee. Then a year later start adding things to the subscribers who get the DLC for free (ethical considering the circumstances) and have plans to gimp players that don't subscribe by 100 champion levels.

Oh yeah I know what the words I use mean. Obviously you don't though.

Free? I pay 15 a month to rent it, how is that free? I used crowns plus crowns I had to buy to get them permanently. How is that free? And the months I pay 15 when there is no new content? That doesn't count right. You make no sense.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Oh wow how rude of us, to think cosmetic things are a must have in a role playing game!

What is rude is to believe that everything must be free

Because buying once as a perk from the crown store means its free?

No wait I forgot that you subs think its only your money that counts.

No we don't. We are just sick of people complaining that subs get perks that they don't when it is there own fault for not subbing. I mean come on its 50 cents a day. How can people not afford that and if the truly can't afford it then they should not be spending their time on a video game.

Niastissa · June 2016

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Free? I pay 15 a month to rent it, how is that free? I used crowns plus crowns I had to buy to get them permanently. How is that free? And the months I pay 15 when there is no new content? That doesn't count right. You make no sense.

[snip] Did you pay crowns for the DLC directly? No. It's a perk of the subscription. You paid for the subscription not the content. That makes the DLC free for subscribers. You're not renting the content. It's all just stuff to entice you to subscribe. (Edit: this is why when the subscription lapses you lose access to the content if you didn't buy a perpetual license to play the said content)

You don't even know the difference between sold and rented. [/snip]

[edited for flaming]

CherryCake · June 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Oh wow how rude of us, to think cosmetic things are a must have in a role playing game!

What is rude is to believe that everything must be free

Because buying once as a perk from the crown store means its free?

No wait I forgot that you subs think its only your money that counts.

No we don't. We are just sick of people complaining that subs get perks that they don't when it is there own fault for not subbing. I mean come on its 50 cents a day. How can people not afford that and if the truly can't afford it then they should not be spending their time on a video game.

Dude, all your DLCs get unlocked automatically, you get 1000 or 1500 crowns every month that you can use later on to buy the dlcs permanently or something else, plus crafting bags, and a 10% experience gain on top, you guys also got loyalty mounts etc... HOW IS THAT NOTHING? Is it really us non subs that have to "get off our high horses" or is it you?

Sometimes its not even about the money, maybe people buy more crowns than you pay per year for a sub, the whole thing is just to show that yes in the end it is unfair how we are treated as if we dont help the game when maybe we do more than you. And please dont start again with "subs are more loyal because you always pay" no, its not a contract you can stop your sub at any time just like we can stop buying crowns at any time. Zos CLEARLY said that they are interested in the people that want to play for like 3 weeks etc not actually giving a damn about hardcore players, so how do you feel for supporting a company that told you in the face they dont give a damn about you?