Outer_Rim wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And

Riiiiight. Cause of course some people are not casuals. Honestly i think this game has become very toxic for your health, just by reading some of your previous post, i think you put yourself high and above other players when in all honesty seeing your youtube videos, you seem mediocre at best. For your own health you should consider taking a break from it, or the forums at least. You seem like a very toxic person.

Outer_Rim wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And a non-competitive player has no place weighing into debates on combat balance and mechanics in a competitive game. Choose your side.

Riiiiight. Cause of course some people are not casuals. Honestly i think this game has become very toxic for your health, just by reading some of your previous post, i think you put yourself high and above other players when in all honesty seeing your youtube videos, you seem mediocre at best. For your own health you should consider taking a break from it, or the forums at least. You seem like a very toxic person.

He is just tired of ZOS dumbing down the game because of the casuals QQ

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Remember a few months back Gina said they were working on addressing animation canceling. This is the first baby step in that direction. No sense coding animations if folks just clip and hide them, plus it will probably reduce server stress due to forcing the animation will kinda act like a mini cooldown.

I'm not sure how I feel about this, I can see both sides of the argument. However ZOS may have made up their minds about it and may be moving forward slowly in locking those animations down, who knows. I don't have an opinion on it one way or the other. I'll play a wait and see approach on this one

In regards to addressing animation canceling, they had originally said they intended to change the appearance of animations without actually changing how things work internally (basically meaning animation canceling would work exactly the same, just that it would look different so animations aren't entirely hidden.

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

You can say whatever you want is working as intended, however things are not working the way the developers said they intended things to work. They said DPS would not be affected. DPS is affected. Yet if you weren't so narrow-minded as to cast judgement on something before you even managed to try it, you'd realize that people's complaints go well beyond animation canceling. For one, you can still animation cancel, but sometimes it doesn't work. Usually, when you animation cancel, it actually shows fewer animations than it did before. Sometimes abilities don't work when you aren't animation canceling, too. Sometimes, when you cast a gap closer in doesn't do anything (which is nothing new for anybody who has played a Templar). Other times, you cast a gap closer and it launches you right past the person you targeted, or even across the map. Maybe you should actually try something before going ahead and dismissing the arguments of those who have tried it, because the changes they made suck regardless of whether or not you animation cancel.

There you go, someone who actually explained the issue without making just vague "waaah my dps dropped" comments.

First off, animation canceling needs to go away. It's an exploit, pure and simple. It's the most basic obvious example of an exploit. You are clearly bypassing in game code to increase your dps, which would gain an advantage.

Secondly, I fail to see how the changes on how animations work results in certain or any gap closers not working. To me, that sounds like an unintentional bug that just happened to come with the latest update. This is thread about animations, stay on topic please. Unless you can provide irrefutable proof of course.

The code allows for animation cancelling. This was not intended in the original release of the game, but ZOS has since stated that despite it being unintended, they embrace it as a part of the combat system. It's a happy accident, and it's what keeps hardcore players around. Animation cancelling creates most of ESO combat's depth of mechanical mastery. Take that away, and PvP isn't competitive on an individual level anymore -- you basically need the biggest zerg to win any fight.

Seriously tho these new animation changes are awful and broken as hell and tbh the people complaining about animation cancelling will cry even more now as you will see even less animations rek you in pvp. Just be done with trying to change your combat system ZOS it worked and now it sucks just STAHP!

Articulemort wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And a non-competitive player has no place weighing into debates on combat balance and mechanics in a competitive game. Choose your side.

Riiiiight. Cause of course some people are not casuals. Honestly i think this game has become very toxic for your health, just by reading some of your previous post, i think you put yourself high and above other players when in all honesty seeing your youtube videos, you seem mediocre at best. For your own health you should consider taking a break from it, or the forums at least. You seem like a very toxic person.

I agree, not to mention players like that are toxic to the game community.
I've also never heard of someone who could be so impossibly arrogant about a video game.

You can rant and rave all you want, there is no denying it's an exploit, and it needs to go just like every other exploit.

You and your friends are just whining because you no longer can stream roll through kids with your "Oh so awesome animation canceling skills" and are actually force to fight a fair fight. The skill in this game is how you build your build, and if that means everyone is running meta, I guess you'll have to adapt to that situation. Or you can throw a hissy fit like a 4 year old and leave. Think anyone, especially ZOS will miss you? Doubt it, I can tell your a pc player which means they've made close to $500 off you. You have served your purpose.

Honestly, for your health, I hope you quit. Sounds like you need a vacation away from ESO.

Ps. If all your worried about is competing and "skill" I suggest you put this down and play whatever FPS that all the kids are playing these days.

You do realize that they didn't actually do anything with animation cancelling it's generally weaving attacks and skills that has been seriously broken since this patch, if anything animation cancelling is worse right now in pvp as you can have 3 and up attacks hit you all at once and never see a single animation. Are you that pig headed regarding animation cancelling that you cannot see the implications of these ill conceived and broken combat changes that affects all of us not just the so called elite competitive players.

As a side note cast a skill and quickly weapon swap.... congratulations you just animation cancelled and exploited the game by your logic.

Wollust wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And a non-competitive player has no place weighing into debates on combat balance and mechanics in a competitive game. Choose your side.

Riiiiight. Cause of course some people are not casuals. Honestly i think this game has become very toxic for your health, just by reading some of your previous post, i think you put yourself high and above other players when in all honesty seeing your youtube videos, you seem mediocre at best. For your own health you should consider taking a break from it, or the forums at least. You seem like a very toxic person.

I agree, not to mention players like that are toxic to the game community.
I've also never heard of someone who could be so impossibly arrogant about a video game.

You can rant and rave all you want, there is no denying it's an exploit, and it needs to go just like every other exploit.

You and your friends are just whining because you no longer can stream roll through kids with your "Oh so awesome animation canceling skills" and are actually force to fight a fair fight. The skill in this game is how you build your build, and if that means everyone is running meta, I guess you'll have to adapt to that situation. Or you can throw a hissy fit like a 4 year old and leave. Think anyone, especially ZOS will miss you? Doubt it, I can tell your a pc player which means they've made close to $500 off you. You have served your purpose.

Honestly, for your health, I hope you quit. Sounds like you need a vacation away from ESO.

Ps. If all your worried about is competing and "skill" I suggest you put this down and play whatever FPS that all the kids are playing these days.

Soo.. when ZoS specifically has stated that animation canceling is not an exploit, what gives you the right to declare it as one? It may have been unintended but it has since been embraced as an advanced combat mechanic which adds another layer of skill to the game. ZoS has been doing balance around the fact that player use it.

Btw, I, and many other, can still stream roll through casual kids like yourself no worries

I didn't realize they did. I supposed only in ESO can the devs spend time to code all different sorts of combat animations only to have players skip them, be alright with it, and now try to balance it. Seems legit. Anyways, that's my bad. My sincerest apologies.

I suppose that they might as well just remove all combat animations and weapons textures besides swords and we can all just wave our swords in the air and our opponents will just have to guess as to what skill we are using!!

And no you can't stream roll me bro, I don't go into pvp, the lag on Xbox makes it unplayable.

Articulemort wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And a non-competitive player has no place weighing into debates on combat balance and mechanics in a competitive game. Choose your side.

Riiiiight. Cause of course some people are not casuals. Honestly i think this game has become very toxic for your health, just by reading some of your previous post, i think you put yourself high and above other players when in all honesty seeing your youtube videos, you seem mediocre at best. For your own health you should consider taking a break from it, or the forums at least. You seem like a very toxic person.

I agree, not to mention players like that are toxic to the game community.
I've also never heard of someone who could be so impossibly arrogant about a video game.

You can rant and rave all you want, there is no denying it's an exploit, and it needs to go just like every other exploit.

You and your friends are just whining because you no longer can stream roll through kids with your "Oh so awesome animation canceling skills" and are actually force to fight a fair fight. The skill in this game is how you build your build, and if that means everyone is running meta, I guess you'll have to adapt to that situation. Or you can throw a hissy fit like a 4 year old and leave. Think anyone, especially ZOS will miss you? Doubt it, I can tell your a pc player which means they've made close to $500 off you. You have served your purpose.

Honestly, for your health, I hope you quit. Sounds like you need a vacation away from ESO.

Ps. If all your worried about is competing and "skill" I suggest you put this down and play whatever FPS that all the kids are playing these days.

Soo.. when ZoS specifically has stated that animation canceling is not an exploit, what gives you the right to declare it as one? It may have been unintended but it has since been embraced as an advanced combat mechanic which adds another layer of skill to the game. ZoS has been doing balance around the fact that player use it.

Btw, I, and many other, can still stream roll through casual kids like yourself no worries

I didn't realize they did. I supposed only in ESO can the devs spend time to code all different sorts of combat animations only to have players skip them, be alright with it, and now try to balance it. Seems legit. Anyways, that's my bad. My sincerest apologies.

I suppose that they might as well just remove all combat animations and weapons textures besides swords and we can all just wave our swords in the air and our opponents will just have to guess as to what skill we are using!!

And no you can't stream roll me bro, I don't go into pvp, the lag on Xbox makes it unplayable.

It's alright, you might not have been around long enough to know better. Always a pleasure to share knowledge with others.

Anyway, that's the difference skill and experience make in this game. A good player does not have to guess what is hitting him. Small visual cues and sound have always been there even if cancelled.

You don't even go into PvP? So why do even bother coming to the alliance war section to talk about how the changes of animation prioritization affect PvP?

Never said I never pvp, just said that I don't because of the current lagcity it has become. But please feel free to assume I don't, doesn't really matter. Frankly I can post a comment on whatever topic, at least I manage to stay on topic, well somewhat, unlike you, who just spews toxic words out at people because they just so happen to disagree with you.

And yeah, I have absolutely nothing to add because hours ago, when I made my first comment on what I thought the issue was, no one bother to correct me, they just attack me. So my apologies, I leave you to whine about skill weaving.

Ps @KenaPKK, I'm sorry I forgot to ask your highness for permission to say something. I'll remember next time I want to post something in the Alliance War. Sincerest apologies.

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MickeyBN wrote: »

lol you haven't played DB yet so don't assume anything mate.

The second you experience the new combat, and notice how not only are the animations botched, but often abilities don't even fire off, you'll eat your words.

This isn't just a case of the combat feeling different, we now have to actually wait for animations to finish before we can do anything else, light attacks or abilities. There is no ability queueing system in ESO like there are in other MMOs so now the combat feels wrong.

So you have to wait for an animation to finish ..... so combat is working exactly as it was intended to perform???

Please forgive me if I fail to see the problem with that.

"Combat Animation Prioritization
We adjusted the combat animation priority so that you will see impacts and effects for each ability and attack fired when played in rapid succession, without it affecting DPS. Blocking mechanics have been excluded from this change based on feedback from the last PTS testing cycle."

Taken directly from the patch notes. The combat animations are in fact not working as intended.

Are you saying that everyone's dps is dropping due to this or just animation cancellers?
Because if it's just animation cancellers, I would say then yes, combat is very much so working as intended.

"Animation cancellers" lol

As if that doesn't encompass every player in the game.

If you're not animation cancelling in both PvE and PvP or at least learning how to, then you're bad and you're not playing the game properly.

Animation cancelling is a fundamental component of this game's complex combat system that separates players along a spectrum of mechanical mastery. Putting it bluntly, to disagree is to pander to casuals and carebears and to want combat to be plain and equally easy for all players. Under a system with weakened or no animation cancelling, PvE would be dominated by who can put together the single meta build, resulting in equal dps among all players who do so, and numbers would dominate PvP instead of skill.

That is a simple fact, and that attitude will be the end of this game. Casual players don't keep a game alive. Hardcore ones do.

EDIT: I will add that the value of animation cancelling in PvP is to take advantage of an enemy's mistakes to burst them down and kill them. Healing and defense are very strong in this game. Given a second or two, an enemy who is low can dodge roll around and use a few healing abilities, and then voila, they're full health again. A good player will learn how to pop an animation cancelled burst combo or execute between these defensive maneuvers or inside a cc window in order to achieve the kill. Without animation cancelling, damage becomes low and combat becomes slow and paced. The instances of damage from a light attack, ability cast, and bash (if used) are spaced out within the 1 second global cooldown window, leaving the opponent time to react and roll around or heal. This makes combat too forgiving for players who make mistakes, protecting them from the death they deserved.

Basically, the new animation changes limit the speed with which dexterous and practiced players may execute combos, constraining their skill to a lower skill ceiling level. This is a very frustrating feeling -- to be limited by the game's combat system rather than your own potential -- and will run players off quite quickly. We hardcore players love this game and are extremely loyal to it (despite ZOS pushing us away with every patch...) because its combat system is organic and engaging. With this patch, ZOS has degraded that feeling. This is unacceptable and cannot continue. I have friends and guildies who love this game quitting daily because of this change. That cannot be ignored.

As for PvE, animation cancelling allows players to tighten their damage instances and maneuver between their light attack + ability weaves. This allows PvE players to execute the mechanics of their encounters while maintaining high dps. With the current animation changes, I expect ball group heal tanking to become more prevalent out of necessity since people will be less mobile in fights. Overall, combat will feel sticky and slow just like movement did after the Thieves' Guild patch.

No competitive player can disagree with these points.

And a non-competitive player has no place weighing into debates on combat balance and mechanics in a competitive game. Choose your side.

Agree here.

Game is would be horribly stale and boring with animation canceling or skill weaving. There would be absolutely no mechanical differentiation between players.

I haven't played out as I'm on ps4, bit this sounds like a huge issue. With it cancelling, this game is very forgiving. Too forgiving. I can out heal pretty much all dps f there is no cancelling.

outsideworld76 wrote: »

People need to understand that running the animation is a very good way to lower server load, lag is a big issue when someone can land three or four skills on you and you die instantly due to server lag.

The server does not give 2 $h!*s or a !@#$ what the client display is doing, your animation progress isn't even considered by the server at all, only the timestamp associated with your request to initiate a skill, and the time offset that it should occur at. There's no camera aimed from the server onto your screen, it literally does not care nor should it.

So no
It has nothing to do with lag
Why even guess if you're 100% ignorant of process mechanics, what if someone actually believed what you just made up?

The thing that has irked me the most since this patch went live is the combat system. I reserved my judgement till I felt I had enough play time and understanding of the new mechanics. What I can say is - they FUBAR'ed this badly.

Here are my salient points - from a sorceror's point of view:

1) The nerf to shields is easily adjusted for - but un-warranted to be so harsh. It's basically a persistent mana drain to maintain shields. There was no reason to knock everything into the same ball park. This was lazy coding and poor insight into class balance and was a bad portent for what is this patch.

2) When abilities process enhancements - the firing off of the enhancements seem slow flukey and certainly not fluid. I use Crystal frags as a case in point. I have a good clean target on X person - light up Velocious curse - see crystal frags process (not that I can hear it anymore in a big fight mind you) buff my next spell cast - and go to launch frags....and what REALLY happens is - im waiting 2-3 seconds to get that frags off. I have a clean target - I have been doing this forever - but the ability wont fire. If I reset my target...it fires. In other words: target someone else - then target back. In this time the curse has gone off and I have lost my burst - allowing the target to survive. This is pen ultimately frustrating.

3) Ultimates. Are you kidding me? The only reliable ultimate I have used so far is Ice Comet - and even then....it's been ponderous as to if it actually goes off. I line up the combo where I use comet - hit my ulti button - dive in and start my in tight rotation of defensives and offensives and I see my utli is still full. By now.....the whole combo is blown no one is dead and im in full defensive mode to get out. This is also pen ultimately frustrating. I have done this hundreds if no thousands of times. At first I figured it was the cost reduction to ulti's showing an ulti available - but the system not calculating and well...maybe that was it - so i always made sure I had way overcharged ultis - and they still were not firing in smooth succession. It still felt like I needed a pause between each action. This is why I think point 1 is so salient here. Taking 5 seconds to setup a combo with the new performance of shields and defensive abilities......is pointless. I can do it in 3 - but the system doesn't register it in 3. It takes 5 for everything to fire off the way I want it to - which puts me back at square zero of rebuffing before the combo goes off - or going in naked - which i tend to do and make the defensive part of the rotation top priority - which gives people time to live through the combo.....and then back to the frustration.

It does feel like they have slowed everything down on the magicka side of things. And...at the same time REALLY sped things up on the stam side of things. I have seen stamplars Wrecking blow > jabs > wrecking blow in under 2 seconds. I have heard from other templars that its possible because of the new animations and the way they cancel out. I think it's a load of crap. Wrobel must play a templar.

I tried Stam Sorc - didn't like it - can see how it might work - but it's not my cup of tea.

Went back to magicka - my basic build - and it's working from range - extremely difficult to manage in tight quarters - moreso than it needs to be based on the seemingly haphazard changes to defensive abilities. If they want to dumb the game down and make it easier for the tryhards and baddies - fine - but I won't be around long either if this is the new "system" they want us to operate in.

Skitttles wrote: »

I find I have to press buttons alot slower to make sure the skill goes off. If I don't then the skill won't go off or it feels so awkward with light attacks or heavy attacks inbetween.

I think this is it.

Light/skill would cache to some degree.
So if you went too fast the sequence would still be followed.
Even before this patch though light attacks would be dropped if executed too fast for me.
(for me it was absolutely dependant on the skill combinations being used)
Now it appears if you dont manually leave a big enough gaps between skill and light attack, the light never goes off...or the skill has to be double tapped.

Well the good side of that is it stops people button mashing.
Whether it now requires compulsory automated sequences to get reliable rotations is another issue.
Especially with durations beign reduced and timing more critical.

Have to agree 100% that the combat does not feel as smooth and in-sync at all anymore. (not that it was amazing in the first place but it feels worse now.)

Still laughing at the fact people are calling animation cancelling an exploit though