Light Attacking is Broken? (and animation priority)

Nifty2g

Anyone else expericing this, sometimes it works fine other times there is a massive delay to your light attacks and they do not go off between skills unless you stop doing what you are for a second. Is there a hidden ICD on light attacks now or light attacks between your abilities? Something feels extremely clunky with combat
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

This video shows just normal light attacking and then "weaving" light attacks with an ability, you start to see the light attack start locking and wont go off after awhile. You also notice there is a considerable amount of delay between light attacking and using your ability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nijDv8gxV0

This video is a replicate of the first video, you see that the abilities start to lock up and interfere with each other after the same amount of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvd_OprxgJU

This last video is what I am experiencing whenever I am trying to play, all my abilities are locking up, and bugging out as well, my light attacks barely go off and they stop my casts at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Q_ov1wm9A

Some other comparisons from other players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct5WD1sVKkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bejpBDh2sBE

If you put away your weapon jump up and down while casting abilities nothing happens until you stop, do we now have a queue system in which takes priority?

I really hope we can revert all of the animation changes/priority system that was introduced. This feels extremely unresponsive, it never used to happen like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crknpdj2ZYg

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdjHaUY504I&feature=youtu.be

Here's another example of this happening, in a low ping environment. This is absolutely destroying all enjoyment in combat, vMA is near impossible to what it used to be despite numerous class buffs/etc. Please just revert to the old animation system, it wasn't broken. This is coming from someone who had nothing but praise of the PTS, I thought combat felt more fluid and natural, but one step into a high load combat situation and I can see that is the exact opposite.

Nifty2g

To add, I am only experiencing this with a staff

STEVIL

Nifty2g wrote: »

To add, I am only experiencing this with a staff

Nope. Ran multiple staff users so far, cp160 to level 3.

Nifty2g

Maelstrom staff?
Maybe its got something to do with that animation as if you are holding your offhand weapon or something. But there is a huge difference from how smooth it was on Thieves Guild

Khaos_Bane

I have had some issues with the staff as well. I also have issues with wall of elements not casting when I tell it to. I had been getting some really high PR and a few disconnects lately and assumed that was the issue. Now I'm not so sure.

Nifty2g

I've got some videos to upload to showcase what I'm talking about

The Uninvited

I have trouble on my staff wielding magicka characters as well, dual wield and 2-hander seem to work a lot smoother. Maybe the new animation prioritizing didn't work out all too well?

Nifty2g

Added some videos for you guys

LegacyDM

I experience this with dual wield swords while casting ranged class specific nb skills. It's like my nb goes into a spaz for a few seconds.

Necrelios

I experience this all the time in Wrothgar for some reason. Seems to be triggered a lot by the blowback abilities of some creatures like trolls, giants, and those big enchilada things. My light attacks with a staff will stop so I can't attack weave. Dodge rolling usually fixes it though for some reason. Failing, that I have to relog.

Nifty2g

Necrelios wrote: »

I experience this all the time in Wrothgar for some reason. Seems to be triggered a lot by the blowback abilities of some creatures like trolls, giants, and those big enchilada things. My light attacks with a staff will stop so I can't attack weave. Dodge rolling usually fixes it though for some reason. Failing, that I have to relog.

Going to wrothgar was just because I had the wayshrine on that character, I experience this everywhere

Necrelios

Nifty2g wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

I experience this all the time in Wrothgar for some reason. Seems to be triggered a lot by the blowback abilities of some creatures like trolls, giants, and those big enchilada things. My light attacks with a staff will stop so I can't attack weave. Dodge rolling usually fixes it though for some reason. Failing, that I have to relog.

Going to wrothgar was just because I had the wayshrine on that character, I experience this everywhere

Yes, same here. I just notice it more in Wrothgar. I've bug reported it, but can't pin point the exact cause so it wasn't really helpful. You should put these videos to a bug report and a link to this thread maybe that can help them figure out what the cause is. I've also experience this with Duel Wield too were light attacks would stop working. Definitely more common with a staff though.

k9mouse

I notice that also on new Sorc Chars in CH starter dungeon. I just roll 4 new chars last night... Sometimes the weapon does not attack when I click the button -- 2 Hander and staves

Nifty2g

Has this got something to do with the anit cheat engine or something?

The Uninvited

Nifty2g wrote: »

Added some videos for you guys

Looks at lot like what I'm experiencing, though not as severe as you do.

Nifty2g

The Uninvited wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Added some videos for you guys

Looks at lot like what I'm experiencing, though not as severe as you do.

The thing is in every video around the same time all my abilities start locking up and acting weirdly.
Anyone else got videos to compare the same issues?

dsalter

i think it's to do with enchants and poisons since poisons are doing the same thing to

Slayyer-AUS

I told @ZOS_seipher that it felt clunky and delayed on one of alcasts twitch stream. She said she will let the team know about my feedback. She seen it for herself on alcasts stream how badly delayed and clunky it looked even alcast was complaining about it. Either she forgot to tell the team or she told the team and they did nothing about it.

Some people say it is a latency issue...although pre db patch it was fine you could light attack weave with a ping higher than 300. But now with what ever they did with it it's unplayable and not enjoyable at over 200 ping. What will be done about this? Do we get Oceania/Asia servers now? Because this is unplayable.

Do the zenimax team listen to our feedback? It surely does not feel like it. I have been subbed since this game launched and thrown so much money into the crown store and this is how your customer feedback is dealt with? I'm currently unsubbed now until I see how this issue gets dealt with.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK

GazettE

I thought im the only one who experiencing this problem. It makes animation cancelling harder and as magblade, its hard to get my assassin will proc.

Nifty2g

@Alcast you noticed this?

Slayyer-AUS

It's got to do with the new animations they implemented my girlfriend was in America when pts was out she said it was fine and looked at me like it is a l2p issue... She is in Australia now and is experiencing how bad it is. Simple enough the higher latency you have the more delay/clunky you will experience. Like I said before the animations before dark brotherhood patch were fine and now it's a complete mess it feels like I'm playing a game from the 90s...seriously.

Polysemy

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

I told @ZOS_seipher that it felt clunky and delayed on one of alcasts twitch stream. She said she will let the team know about my feedback. She seen it for herself on alcasts stream how badly delayed and clunky it looked even alcast was complaining about it. Either she forgot to tell the team or she told the team and they did nothing about it.

Some people say it is a latency issue...although pre db patch it was fine you could light attack weave with a ping higher than 300. But now with what ever they did with it it's unplayable and not enjoyable at over 200 ping. What will be done about this? Do we get Oceania/Asia servers now? Because this is unplayable.

Do the zenimax team listen to our feedback? It surely does not feel like it. I have been subbed since this game launched and thrown so much money into the crown store and this is how your customer feedback is dealt with? I'm currently unsubbed now until I see how this issue gets dealt with.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK

Considering half my raid is 300 ping average GG ZOS

Quit trying to fix things that aint broken

lonewolf26

I noticed some LA weaving problems on my bow bar when casting endless hail. Switching the new ground dot auto cast feature from automatic to on fixed this for me. Nope. Having this problem as well now. This was not the solution.

Nifty2g

lonewolf26 wrote: »

I noticed some LA weaving problems on my bow bar when casting endless hail. Switching the new ground dot auto cast feature from automatic to on fixed this for me.

I just tried it, it didn't work for me

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

Keep in mind that a LOT of people are playing in the new DB DLC zone, so this may increase Lag and performance issues. Try Craglorn, the Cadwell's Gold areas, or some other quiet zone and check if you still get the same issues?

Nifty2g

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

Keep in mind that a LOT of people are playing in the new DB DLC zone, so this may increase Lag and performance issues. Try Craglorn, the Cadwell's Gold areas, or some other quiet zone and check if you still get the same issues?

I wasn't in the new dlc i was in wrothgar, and this happens in dungeons too

rotaugen454

I use a staff to weave light/skill and I noticed last night that the light would often not fire off at all and the skill would have a delay. I have an addon that shows the damage type scolling onscreen, and I could see the light attack was not going off at all a lot of the time. I had the weave down perfect pre-DB, so something happened.

Syrani

I have this issue, but with heavy attacks and it has been happening for weeks. When it happens, I can't cast a heavy attack at all - not while weaving, and not while just trying to cast a heavy without using any other abilities. (this is with a staff)

To get my assassin's will to proc, I have to cast light attacks without weaving. This happened to me today in vICP, and like I said, it's been happening for weeks in other places.

After a while, it starts working again, but I am unsure if there is something I am doing to make it work, or if it just starts working again on it's own.

This causes a big hit to DPS and to magicka regen, and it's really irritating.

GazettE

Can you check this issue please? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Thank you

Adamon2

I had this same issue in PTS when using poisons on a destro (fire) staff. Reported on PTS. I had issues last night. Didn't seem to weave as smoothly as prior version.

I think it has to do with their animation cancellation changes. It feels like there is a timing variance that at some point maxes out, can't catch up, then bugs.

Blevil

This was happening since TG update on PS4. I thought this was due to the lower frame rates considering I experience skipping/stuttering while in empty major cities. I know exactly what you're experiencing. LA is good until maybe 30sec or a minute into a battle then it starts to work only once in a while even if you still see the LA animation. I started to test different staves and found that non-set staves tend to LA weave better. Not by much, but noticeably better.

A fix for this is to quickly open and close the menu but it gets annoying in longer battles.