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So sorcs, are you going to learn to play or just quit?
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I am quittingDoncellius wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »It's simple, every class does everything better than a sorc now. I've played my sorc since launch, am intricately familiar with how it works, even made her competitive in both PvP and PvE without minmaxing on my race, and I can't figure out how to make a build that isn't simply done better not just elsewhere, but everywhere else. My friends on the game applaud my skill both in theory crafting and in game combat skill. If you know how I can simply "learn to play" I'm all ears. I want to make my sorc work, I just can't figure out how.
Yeah, I see what your saying.
It's like, when your class is the best and can take ridiculous amounts of damage while doing ridiculous amounts of damage without sacrificing range and just camp in your mines and watch people just kill themselves trying to attack you and have all that taken away it kinda does show true skill dosnt it?
L2p issue not my problem
You overestimate sorcs. Before DB launch I could two shot most sorcs on my pre vet alt, when they were VR16. What was that class? Oh yeah, Stamina Nightblade, the I-Win button.
A sorc without it's shield has no real survivablity, No armor//spell resistance buff without a useless toggle skill, no capacity for reflecting damage like the DK, no ability to run like the NB, no spamming jabs and winning like Templar, you're just dead. We have spells to control the field, and shields to absorb damage, because if you get close for so much as 5 seconds and their shield isn't up at any point in time during those 5 seconds, the Sorc is dead.
DKs are the tankiest class and have the highest capacity for raw damage. We can't compete with that level of survivability nor damage.
Nightblades are bursty and ganky as can be, oh and they choose whether or not to engage depending on whether or not it suits them (something other classes lack) while having some pretty impressive self healing capacity both at a range and up close.
Templars - don't you go in their house, oh and you're at a distance? Get ready for that dark flare jav//dark flare charge//dark flare jesus beam, they two shot people all day!
So tell me, what do sorcs really have? I have played every class, Sorcs feel the most skill based. Playing a Nightblade didn't even feel fair to me, too easy! Templars? Gets boring how easy it is. DKs? Well, I have fun with them at least, feels pretty good to me, that's why I have three of them. A smart sorc who knows how to use the terrain to their advantage and knows how to use their spells to control the field can take down armies, and a sorc lacking skill will rush into the enemy mid field and just get wrecked. At least that was the way of things, now you need to be on top of your game just to compete.
Don't even get me started on PvE... PvE they are the bottom tier DPS, hands down. They suck as tanks, lacking the damage mitigation of other classes. Healers? If your dang pet don't die and even then it's taking up two slots instead of one.
So many people just refused to L2P and kept complaining about sorcs, and now we're nerfed into oblivion.
Pretty much lol. Only skilled players on Magicka Sorcs will stand a chance anymore. Even then, I can see Sorcs being taken down by CCing them 5 seconds after the Hardened Ward runs out. When I use my other characters, I'll feel sort of bad killing Magicka Sorcs who cannot stand a chance against me due to QQ NERFS.
And bad Mag Sorcs? They can no longer even play their class in any somewhat efficient/surviable manner now. The class needs lots of changes and faces an identity crisis as well. Stam Sorcs are probably stronger than Mag Sorcs now due to them reaching out of their class skills for lots of powerful tools.
I'm working on a sorc pet build right now as it seems to be the best chance I have, I know how to play pet builds effectively, they give me somewhat of a buffer//create confusion allowing me some survivability. I can't have any wards on this build (except healing ward, because healing ward, it's a solid heal). I'm thinking changing the armor to 5/5 Julianos heavy with defensive traits such as impen and the sort with the Daedroth monster set, focusing on CC and field control. It won't be effective in large scale PvP but against limited numbers, it could do some damage I think. Just a theory right now I'm working with, going to have to test it."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm0 -
darkstar2084✭✭✭✭Yes, I am quittingjust gonna play other classes for a bit need to l2p on them anyway0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »It's simple, every class does everything better than a sorc now. I've played my sorc since launch, am intricately familiar with how it works, even made her competitive in both PvP and PvE without minmaxing on my race, and I can't figure out how to make a build that isn't simply done better not just elsewhere, but everywhere else. My friends on the game applaud my skill both in theory crafting and in game combat skill. If you know how I can simply "learn to play" I'm all ears. I want to make my sorc work, I just can't figure out how.
Yeah, I see what your saying.
It's like, when your class is the best and can take ridiculous amounts of damage while doing ridiculous amounts of damage without sacrificing range and just camp in your mines and watch people just kill themselves trying to attack you and have all that taken away it kinda does show true skill dosnt it?
L2p issue not my problem
You overestimate sorcs. Before DB launch I could two shot most sorcs on my pre vet alt, when they were VR16. What was that class? Oh yeah, Stamina Nightblade, the I-Win button.
A sorc without it's shield has no real survivablity, No armor//spell resistance buff without a useless toggle skill, no capacity for reflecting damage like the DK, no ability to run like the NB, no spamming jabs and winning like Templar, you're just dead. We have spells to control the field, and shields to absorb damage, because if you get close for so much as 5 seconds and their shield isn't up at any point in time during those 5 seconds, the Sorc is dead.
DKs are the tankiest class and have the highest capacity for raw damage. We can't compete with that level of survivability nor damage.
Nightblades are bursty and ganky as can be, oh and they choose whether or not to engage depending on whether or not it suits them (something other classes lack) while having some pretty impressive self healing capacity both at a range and up close.
Templars - don't you go in their house, oh and you're at a distance? Get ready for that dark flare jav//dark flare charge//dark flare jesus beam, they two shot people all day!
So tell me, what do sorcs really have? I have played every class, Sorcs feel the most skill based. Playing a Nightblade didn't even feel fair to me, too easy! Templars? Gets boring how easy it is. DKs? Well, I have fun with them at least, feels pretty good to me, that's why I have three of them. A smart sorc who knows how to use the terrain to their advantage and knows how to use their spells to control the field can take down armies, and a sorc lacking skill will rush into the enemy mid field and just get wrecked. At least that was the way of things, now you need to be on top of your game just to compete.
Don't even get me started on PvE... PvE they are the bottom tier DPS, hands down. They suck as tanks, lacking the damage mitigation of other classes. Healers? If your dang pet don't die and even then it's taking up two slots instead of one.
So many people just refused to L2P and kept complaining about sorcs, and now we're nerfed into oblivion.
Pretty much lol. Only skilled players on Magicka Sorcs will stand a chance anymore. Even then, I can see Sorcs being taken down by CCing them 5 seconds after the Hardened Ward runs out. When I use my other characters, I'll feel sort of bad killing Magicka Sorcs who cannot stand a chance against me due to QQ NERFS.
And bad Mag Sorcs? They can no longer even play their class in any somewhat efficient/surviable manner now. The class needs lots of changes and faces an identity crisis as well. Stam Sorcs are probably stronger than Mag Sorcs now due to them reaching out of their class skills for lots of powerful tools.
I'm working on a sorc pet build right now as it seems to be the best chance I have, I know how to play pet builds effectively, they give me somewhat of a buffer//create confusion allowing me some survivability. I can't have any wards on this build (except healing ward, because healing ward, it's a solid heal). I'm thinking changing the armor to 5/5 Julianos heavy with defensive traits such as impen and the sort with the Daedroth monster set, focusing on CC and field control. It won't be effective in large scale PvP but against limited numbers, it could do some damage I think. Just a theory right now I'm working with, going to have to test it.
I wish you luck! Just know that you need to stack Max Magicka, since pets only scale off of it (and not spell damage).
You will also do low damage and most likely get rolled over based on the strength that any other class spec besides a DB Magicka Sorc can pull off.
Be especially careful of Stamina characters who can usually just activate Shuffle+Vigor+Rally, negating all of your damage and snares since you won't be able to put out great DPS without Light Armor.
You need Hardened Ward to shield yourself and your pets too!
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ParaNostram Only pursue a Pet build if you find it fun. Pet builds were never given a chance to be very effective....0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I am quittingMost sorcs I know, including myself have put the sorc class in the bin, or quit playing altogether.
PC EU
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Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭LoL, I play a StaminaSorc, Imperial Race and I am not facing any Problems so far in the new DLC!
To be true, she got even stronger and this as well in PvP as in PvE.
She makes so much dmg, it is almost scary, and this still while she has no new gear so far.
So I don´t understand that much what others have for problems with their sorcs, but I still think that it was my best decision ever to migrate her from magicka-based to stamina-based with the ThievesGuild-DLC.
Yes and now she runs along with DW and Bow bar, so what? She does her job and provides tons of DPS!0 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I am quittingDoncellius wrote: »@ParaNostram Only pursue a Pet build if you find it fun. Pet builds were never given a chance to be very effective....
I've made pet builds work before, they are never optimal but I can work with them. I find them fun, they at least will feel like playing a sorc."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I am quittingParaNostram wrote: »It's simple, every class does everything better than a sorc now. I've played my sorc since launch, am intricately familiar with how it works, even made her competitive in both PvP and PvE without minmaxing on my race, and I can't figure out how to make a build that isn't simply done better not just elsewhere, but everywhere else. My friends on the game applaud my skill both in theory crafting and in game combat skill. If you know how I can simply "learn to play" I'm all ears. I want to make my sorc work, I just can't figure out how.
Yeah, I see what your saying.
It's like, when your class is the best and can take ridiculous amounts of damage while doing ridiculous amounts of damage without sacrificing range and just camp in your mines and watch people just kill themselves trying to attack you and have all that taken away it kinda does show true skill dosnt it?
L2p issue not my problem
I think you're talking about NB's, DK's and templars there. They're all super survivable if you just L2P, but I guess it's easier to just whine on sorcs to get them nerfed into the ground instead so you don't have to use your brain at all and can just zerg them in PvP as usual
So go and L2P and then come back after you're done zerging and actually learn how to play, ok?
Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on June 3, 2016 8:28AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh oh... OP seems to have accidentally kicked / punted the hornet's nest. Bad, bad, bad, idea.0 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I rarely played my sorcs before the patch, they are rather young and haven't unlocked shields. So I'll never feel the difference, and I like to play my sorcs now 0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
Rilatin original...MasterSpatula wrote: »It's called Ritalin. Look into it.
Just saying.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
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"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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