CP conversion. Unfair and dissapointing.

jgrinsteadb14_ESO · May 2016

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

ManwithBeard9 · May 2016

I'm sorry to hear that, can I have your stuff?

AGrz5585 · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

On live each VR is technically worth the Same exp as 2 CP before the catch-up mechanic. If your already at 160 CP and v16 your getting 40 free CP, so no need to cry over free stuff?

jgrinsteadb14_ESO · May 2016

I guess I have higher expectations for the return on my time. No you cant have my stuff, but this game is doomed based on PTS changes. I lost count how many games have killed their customer base with similar stunts.

Taleof2Cities · May 2016

Another one of these threads (sigh) ...

Darlon · May 2016

I lost count of all the times this game has been doomed....

dsalter · May 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another one of these threads (sigh) ...

to be honest tho they really are stabbing the game hard with these powercreep boosters, the games going to be insta gib or be insta gibbed soon, i feel it, we seriously need soft caps back.

Astelo · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

Mabye you missunderstood something for example:

When your highest char is on Vet2 with about 70 CP you wont be at Champions rank 5 after dlc
you will get 2 * 2,5 CP for free and will be at Championrank 75 when dlc is starting (means V2 -> V7,5 for free)

Sk000tch · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

There are many legitimate things to complain about in this patch, your complaint, however, is not one of them.

You will have more CP after the patch than you did before. CP you did not earn... e.g., free CP. You are complaining because you are not getting enough free CP? If it is a slap in the face, its a slap to the players that actually did grind out and earn their CP. You, however, will need to grind less now.

Kas · May 2016

zero progression since IC thanks to cap and "new sets.."
gonna recraft stuff that was available since launch just for armor weight/trait reasons
only thing i'll incorporate are msa weapons and only because of the way they interact with poisons

yay...

so cry me a river about how you get less bonus Cp for earned XP that has given you CP already, anyway

code65536 · May 2016

You misunderstand. The 2.5 is a bonus. You already have all the CP you earned in the process of reaching VR16 on various characters. This is a free bonus on top of all that.

wayfarerx · May 2016

code65536 wrote: »

You misunderstand. The 2.5 is a bonus. You already have all the CP you earned in the process of reaching VR16 on various characters. This is a free bonus on top of all that.

This.

Your CP in DB = Your CP now + 40

DocFrost72 · May 2016

Because giving free CP is unfair. You heard it here first (second? Third? Ah, lost count).

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

From reading his post, he is misunderstanding how it works.

Lets start with the beginning, if say your highest character is VR12 and you have no champion points earned (if the last time you played was before they were implemented), then you'll instantly be converted from VR12 to 120 CP. Which ever character is your highest VR, again using the VR12, you'll gain an additional 2.5 CP for each Vet rank in this case you'll get an extra 30 CP which bumps you up to 150 CP total. You'll also receive any Stats and Skill points for the VR ranks you didn't get, which is an extra 4 of each.

Congrats, your VR12 Character who started with no CP is now a 150 CP and can wear 150 CP weapons and armor, or the equivalent of VR15 and has maximum Enlightenment to gain even more CP faster.

Kupoking · May 2016

Yay extra CPs!

Let me add it to my collection of CPs I cannot use!

STEVIL · May 2016

dsalter wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another one of these threads (sigh) ...

to be honest tho they really are stabbing the game hard with these powercreep boosters, the games going to be insta gib or be insta gibbed soon, i feel it, we seriously need soft caps back.

i think i saw recently some dueling tourney happened (eu?) where one of the fights in the semis had to be stopped twice and certain skills forced removal bc it was a never ending draw due to defensive spamming.

Seen other references in the last 2 months alone to long stalled duels where after long enough they agreed to walk away..

Doesn't sound to me like we are near insta-kill between READY and capable opponents.

Looking forward to the offense upgrades in Db.

To quote John Snowrem "Tuesday is coming and i feel fine!"
(I think that was the quote. Could have it off a tad. But i am pretty sure thats it. yeah. pretty sure. yup.)

Saturn · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

With the catch-up system in place, you will reach 160 CP incredibly quickly, but simply playing a bit every day. Plus they have said that you will be able to wear the gear you are wearing, so if you have a vr16 toon with vr16 gear, even without 160 cp you will still be able to use the gear.

Also, the sorc nerf isn't that bad. They changed surge and reduced the duration on all shields, that's about it. Hardly something to quit the game over.

Sk000tch · May 2016

Saturn wrote: »

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

With the catch-up system in place, you will reach 160 CP incredibly quickly, but simply playing a bit every day. Plus they have said that you will be able to wear the gear you are wearing, so if you have a vr16 toon with vr16 gear, even without 160 cp you will still be able to use the gear.

Also, the sorc nerf isn't that bad. They changed surge and reduced the duration on all shields, that's about it. Hardly something to quit the game over.

The CP complaint is ridiculous but if you don't think Sorcs got hit hard, then you don't understand the class. If a simultaneous massive nerf to a class' burst damage, primary damage mitigation, and best self heal don't constitute a big nerf then I don't know what does.

Agree its not something to quit over (who still has just one toon anyway), but the sorc nerf is huge.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · May 2016

The shield change affects nothing about magicka sorc, neither does the crit surge change.
Crit surge does affects stam sorcs but thats it.

Overall Sorcs actually got huge buffs in this patch... which will be apparent when DB gets pushed to live if nothing is changed between now and then.

Sk000tch wrote: »

If a simultaneous massive nerf to a class' burst damage, primary damage mitigation, and best self heal don't constitute a big nerf then I don't know what does. .

The changes do not affect these things. There is no change to their primary damage mitigation, infact sorcs got access to a second total shield (annulment) meaning they now can have 18k+ of complete shield whenever they want it.

Magicka Sorcs do not use crit surge to heal themselves. They use healing ward.

You should be more pissed about tangled webs being changed if anything.

dsalter · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Another one of these threads (sigh) ...

to be honest tho they really are stabbing the game hard with these powercreep boosters, the games going to be insta gib or be insta gibbed soon, i feel it, we seriously need soft caps back.

i think i saw recently some dueling tourney happened (eu?) where one of the fights in the semis had to be stopped twice and certain skills forced removal bc it was a never ending draw due to defensive spamming.

Seen other references in the last 2 months alone to long stalled duels where after long enough they agreed to walk away..

Doesn't sound to me like we are near insta-kill between READY and capable opponents.

Looking forward to the offense upgrades in Db.

To quote John Snowrem "Tuesday is coming and i feel fine!"
(I think that was the quote. Could have it off a tad. But i am pretty sure thats it. yeah. pretty sure. yup.)

thats because they had both set out to wear down the enemy using sustain rather that damage. and since both are designed to counter the power creeps with no sustain, neither of them could kill the other. and i can bet they hit like wet noodles because of these builds, still influenced by the powercreep tho rather than damage it's resources.

dsalter · May 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The shield change affects nothing about magicka sorc, neither does the crit surge change.
Crit surge does affects stam sorcs but thats it.

Overall Sorcs actually got huge buffs in this patch... which will be apparent when DB gets pushed to live if nothing is changed between now and then.

Sk000tch wrote: »

If a simultaneous massive nerf to a class' burst damage, primary damage mitigation, and best self heal don't constitute a big nerf then I don't know what does. .

The changes do not affect these things. There is no change to their primary damage mitigation, infact sorcs got access to a second total shield (annulment) meaning they now can have 18k+ of complete shield whenever they want it.

Magicka Sorcs do not use crit surge to heal themselves. They use healing ward.

You should be more pissed about tangled webs being changed if anything.

most sorcs, stam included use surge on their back bar/overload bar. i know i do.

SienneYviete · May 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The shield change affects nothing about magicka sorc, neither does the crit surge change.
Crit surge does affects stam sorcs but thats it.

Overall Sorcs actually got huge buffs in this patch... which will be apparent when DB gets pushed to live if nothing is changed between now and then.

Sk000tch wrote: »

If a simultaneous massive nerf to a class' burst damage, primary damage mitigation, and best self heal don't constitute a big nerf then I don't know what does. .

The changes do not affect these things. There is no change to their primary damage mitigation, infact sorcs got access to a second total shield (annulment) meaning they now can have 18k+ of complete shield whenever they want it.

Magicka Sorcs do not use crit surge to heal themselves. They use healing ward.

You should be more pissed about tangled webs being changed if anything.

In PVP maybe however in pve ie vet maelstrom surge is our primary heal and this nerf has pretty much forced us into running a resto staff back bar cutting our offensive capability by quite a substantial amount. While not the end of the world and good sorcs will adapt it was still a pretty terrible change tbh.

camilla_noctis · May 2016

code65536 wrote: »

You misunderstand. The 2.5 is a bonus. You already have all the CP you earned in the process of reaching VR16 on various characters. This is a free bonus on top of all that.

I for one leveled to v10 before cp existed, and so I ended up way behind in cp than others who had leveled their character while gaining cp simultaneously. I don't know if there was a conversion when it was first introduced, but it doesn't seem to add up, since people are claiming to have cp amounts much higher than mine upon reaching max rank. I had ~150 upon hitting v16, and I've heard of others having 200-300+. Basically, the gap seems to be the exp from those quests I did pre-champion.

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

jgrinsteadb14_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure how ZOS is justifying VR's being worth 10 CP, but only crediting characters with 2.5 CP if they are already VR 16. It is a slap in the face and a naked attempt to force grinding play. I was looking forward to the 10CP they originally suggested. Between Sorc Nerfs and this outrage, I see little point in continuing to play.

You are confused. You ALREADY HAVE CP. You already gained CP for levels v1-16!!! They are just adding some more to ensure that everyone will be able to use the gear for their old vet rank. So if you are v16, you will have over 160 CP on DB launch based on your current CP + the bonus CP.

luen79rwb17_ESO · May 2016

It's 40 extra CP for free, that's alot if you're past the 501CP cap. Roughly 40x700K XP.

I welcome this with open arms and I thank ZOS for this.

klink012 · May 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The shield change affects nothing about magicka sorc, neither does the crit surge change.
Crit surge does affects stam sorcs but thats it.

Overall Sorcs actually got huge buffs in this patch... which will be apparent when DB gets pushed to live if nothing is changed between now and then.

Sk000tch wrote: »

If a simultaneous massive nerf to a class' burst damage, primary damage mitigation, and best self heal don't constitute a big nerf then I don't know what does. .

The changes do not affect these things. There is no change to their primary damage mitigation, infact sorcs got access to a second total shield (annulment) meaning they now can have 18k+ of complete shield whenever they want it.

Magicka Sorcs do not use crit surge to heal themselves. They use healing ward.

You should be more pissed about tangled webs being changed if anything.

So what about the Magicka Sorcs who do NOT use resto staff? How do they heal? Crit surge... which you cannot crit on dmg shields (more dmg shields incoming).

alex394053 · May 2016

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Yay extra CPs!

Let me add it to my collection of CPs I cannot use!

Get a life! ^^

Cathexis · May 2016

I'm satisfied, it'll put me pretty close to 500.

Drazkyth · May 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

Anti_Virus · May 2016

INB4 lock.

Enodoc · June 2016

code65536 wrote: »

You misunderstand. The 2.5 is a bonus. You already have all the CP you earned in the process of reaching VR16 on various characters. This is a free bonus on top of all that.

Indeed. It was very nice of ZOS to give us extra CP for no good reason, considering we already have all the CP we've earned. Anything from this conversion is extra CP rewarded for something you've already earned CP from, so absolutely nothing to complain about.