@sabresandiego_ESO

Welcome to the forums.

Now, addressing our duels on PTS including Sypher's, you legit changed CP around like a nutcase. Everytime I asked how much you had into hardy it was 100. Now I get that this is PTS, but you weren't there to TEST. You were there to duel, which still leaves me incredibly confused as to why you changed CP in the first place. I was still trying to get used to the reverb change (which is now reverted, thank god) and had no CC the entire fight. But, I'll say they were GF's and I'll be 100% willing to go again now that it is fixed.

Despite that, plenty of times in the past you have admitted yourself that you change CP. Almost every tourney there is always some beef that comes up with you. For example the last tourney with you and Sribes.

Adressing @Sypher 's fight with you on the PTS. Again, you were not here to test but there to duel a very good player who was streaming to try and humilate him in front of his viewers. You guys had a couple fights including you standing back and just spamming light attacks with shieldbreaker and going as far as to LOS behind a rock wall.

Now addressing @Mythk 's fight with you. I watched the entire thing. The first five minute of the fight was you chessing him by spamming shieldbreaker with only bow light attacks. Safiyer was on the verge of banning this set before the tourney begun because she was afraid someone might cheese a sorc like this. However, she didn't. As she would never have thought that any of the players enrolled in the tourney, especially the good ones, would stand back and spam shieldbreaker for a solid 5 minutes. Yes shields are cheese, but what else can a sorceror do when the game is forcing sorceror to one viable playstyle in which they have to rely on shields? Being fair and weaving shieldbreaker in with attacks is one thing, but straight up spamming it with LA's is another. I know your buddy, Tamerlin himself hates shieldbreaker. Back when I PvP'd with him, almost every session was him getting mad at a pug shieldbreakering him.

As for Lowpolicy, I don't even know why you dueled him considering I beat him the match before. He should have been eliminated, but that's whatever.

I will say, I did witness every single test, and sometimes I saw Jord's WB doing significantly less (or more) damage than some other tests. Yes you had your bow out, but I remember you pulled out your 2h specifically after we called you out on it. However, I had not conducted these tests myself and I'm not 100% positive the results are legit. But knowing your past, I am well led to believe you changed CP.

Sabre, your an excellent player. But almost every top player on NA can agree that, although you are skilled, you do suspicious things in order to guarantee a win.

Now last thing; I am not salty about duels on PTS. I never was and never will be. I am there to test, I was still trying to compensate with reverb not having a CC. I tested a lot of different things, winning with some, losing with others. You? I remember you wanted to test one thing with me and that was heavy armor. Other than that, you told me you were there to duel. You came to duel and "destroy" people testing and adjusting to the new changes while your Shieldbreaker + Fassala's Nightblade just got even more buffs than it should have.

I look forward to your reply
(Apologies for any typo's. On mobile)

Yoyuyi:

-I was on PTS to test. I had not even played the game in 3 months, new patches usually bring me back. I had basically forgotten how to play the game... Joking aside, the last thing I was there for was to pad my ego dueling people.

-I have said a million times that on PTS I changed my CP, and abilities all over the place and towards the end I tested heavy armor instead of my standard shield breaker setup. I tested things like 100 resistant, 0 hardy, 100 hardy, heavy armor, bone shield, etc... I was testing random ***. The majority of the time I dueled you I had 100 hardy, I dont deny that. There is nothing wrong with that, and considering you were there to test too you shouldnt be so butthurt that I had 100 in hardy. Even on live in open world I run anywhere from 80-100 hardy most of the time to prevent stealth ganking, because in open world I can line of sight most magicka abilities.

-On live I don't duel regularly at all, so I dont switch around CP for specific duels. I also have very little gold, I even had to borrow money from sypher to switch my CP a few months ago when Dark Brotherhood PTS first came out before I knew you had unlimited gold there. My live characters are very poor because all I do is pvp, and I hardly played the game in the last 3 months. If I did switch my CP before every duel, then I would absolutely admit that I do, because Im not one of the following masses who believes in made up rules. Everything within the game is fair to me, outside of unintentiional bugs. Now if a tournament has specific rules I respect those rules and follow them, but everything else to me is fair play. Line of sight, malubeth, perma blocking, shield breaker, perma rolling, perma re shielding, etc... I dont complain, because this is how the game designers created the game. I also dont complain about anyone switching CP, if they want to blow 3000 a duel to do so I dont give a flying rats tail. And If I did it, I would admit to it, because I dont believe its wrong

-When I dueled sypher on the PTS I had no idea he was streaming. I dont remember if I pelted him with light attacks or used line of sight, but it sounds like something I would do. Why? Because I dont follow the made up rules of the masses, I play within the rules of the game, which is what the game designers intended. Shield breaker is part of the game. Line of sight is a part of the game. Deal with it

-Regarding my second match in the tournament: How is it cheesy for me to use shield breaker and a bow yet it is not cheesy for a sorc to spam hardened ward, stand in mines, clip INSIDE of an engine guardian and atronarch so that hes untargettable, and turtle? If you cant see your own extreme bias, then you are blind. I did nothing wrong pelting him with bow light attacks.

-It doesnt matter what you think about changing my CP. I did not change my build or CP in the tourny whatsoever and thats a fact

It honestly just sounds like Sabre's upsetting the cool kids clique among the duelists.

Sypher wrote: »

@sabresandiego_ESO

I would never get angry about losing on the PTS. I was actually laughing it off. I found it off putting though to see you change your entire gear and CP before fighting me, and also proceed to LOS behind trees and rocks during TESTING on the PTS.

That image stuck in my head. Wasn't pleasant at all to say the least.

You don't posture this much if not in possession of a slighted ego. Sabre isn't denying his antics on the PTS. People are just using that as a reason to diminish his tourney win. It's silly.

These discussions are so friendly and civil. Can´t you go at each others throat already? If this was an EU topic it would have been closed 3 pages ago.

Sypher wrote: »

@sabresandiego_ESO

I would never get angry about losing on the PTS. I was actually laughing it off. I found it off putting though to see you change your entire gear and CP before fighting me, and also proceed to LOS behind trees and rocks during TESTING on the PTS.

That image stuck in my head. Wasn't pleasant at all to say the least.

I actually just now watched your video streams of our fights. Let me explain a few things:

-When I logged on PTS, I hadnt played the game much or at all in the last 3 months. I logged in for testing the new patch and having fun. My goal was not to humiliate you on your stream or be dishonorable in some way

-When I fight, I largely fight on instinct and muscle memory. If you noticed when I line of sighted you, it was in the very beginning of the match where I obviously wasnt even thinking about it, just doing it out of habit because its a smart thing to do. Now although I do not subscribe to the unsaid rule of NO LOS in duels, if you noticed how I was playing, I was charging right into your atronarch and mines the majority of the time. If I wanted I could have stood out of range and let your atronarch expire, but I DIDNT. Why? because I obviously didn't care, I was there for fun...

-The LOS I did in our matches had 0 impact on any of the duels. You fixated on it as a scapegoat to protect your hurt ego. Like I said, I LOS'd out of muscle memory having not played the game in months. The majority of the time I was charging straight into your mines and atronarch. In addition, you are supposed to dump all ultimate at the start of the duel, but you started that fight with an atronarch, which is another reason I naturally used LOS.

-I ALWAYS wear shield breaker vs everyone. I have it all gold, I wear it vs stam classes as well. The only other set I wore on PTS to test was reactive and black rose. I wear shield breaker vs stamina classes as well. I wear it doing vet maelstrom arena. I wear shieldbreaker for everything. What you saw me doing before our duels was switching my CP around. Like I said, on the PTS I was testing different things. And just so you know, the one duel I died in I had set resistant to 100 and ele defender to something really low because I was testing the impact of it...

Youve been dueling me for 2 years over multiple classes. When we first met, you couldnt beat me and dueled me dozens if not hundreds of times to figure out how to get better. And you did get better and our dueling eventually became very competitive. To completely forget our 2 year history and paint me as some dishonorable dueler, is petty and low.

I know what its like to lose duels. It can be upsetting. I understand the feeling. Part of being a good sportsman is overcoming that anger and accepting defeat. its something I have worked on myself, and its apparent most other people need to work on it too.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

@sabresandiego_ESO

I would never get angry about losing on the PTS. I was actually laughing it off. I found it off putting though to see you change your entire gear and CP before fighting me, and also proceed to LOS behind trees and rocks during TESTING on the PTS.

That image stuck in my head. Wasn't pleasant at all to say the least.

I actually just now watched your video streams of our fights. Let me explain a few things:

-When I logged on PTS, I hadnt played the game much or at all in the last 3 months. I logged in for testing the new patch and having fun. My goal was not to humiliate you on your stream or be dishonorable in some way

-When I fight, I largely fight on instinct and muscle memory. If you noticed when I line of sighted you, it was in the very beginning of the match where I obviously wasnt even thinking about it, just doing it out of habit because its a smart thing to do. Now although I do not subscribe to the unsaid rule of NO LOS in duels, if you noticed how I was playing, I was charging right into your atronarch and mines the majority of the time. If I wanted I could have stood out of range and let your atronarch expire, but I DIDNT. Why? because I obviously didn't care, I was there for fun...

-The LOS I did in our matches had 0 impact on any of the duels. You fixated on it as a scapegoat to protect your hurt ego. Like I said, I LOS'd out of muscle memory having not played the game in months. The majority of the time I was charging straight into your mines and atronarch

-I ALWAYS wear shield breaker vs everyone. I have it all gold, I wear it vs stam classes as well. The only other set I wore on PTS to test was reactive and black rose. I wear shield breaker vs stamina classes as well. I wear it doing vet maelstrom arena. I wear shieldbreaker for everything. What you saw me doing before our duels was switching my CP around. Like I said, on the PTS I was testing different things. And just so you know, the one duel I died in I had set resistant to 100 and ele defender to something really low because I was testing the impact of it...

Youve been dueling me for 2 years over multiple classes. When we first met, you couldnt beat me and dueled me dozens if not hundreds of times to figure out how to get better. And you did get better and our dueling eventually became very competitive. To completely forget our 2 year history and paint me as some dishonorable dueler, is petty and low.

I know what its like to lose duels. It can be upsetting. I understand the feeling. Part of being a good sportsman is overcoming that anger and accepting defeat. its something I have worked on myself, and its apparent most other people need to work on it too.

It was because of our history that I found it disrespectful for you to line of sight and change all your gear to fight me. I assumed you would want a competitive fight, instead you went and pulled that on me.

Muscle memory? Come one Sabre. You did it multiple times during our fights.

Either ways, I'm no longer part of the dueling scene because of what it has become (no one to blame but ZOS).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilqEpZ2iNk





(I know I could have respecced to counter his SB spam with a better sustain build like German uses, but it just wasn't that serious)

Dueling is just about who has the most cheese on their plate.

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilqEpZ2iNk





(I know I could have respecced to counter his SB spam with a better sustain build like German uses, but it just wasn't that serious)

Dueling is just about who has the most cheese on their plate.

I just watched the stream again. In the first 3 duels we had I didnt LOS or break any of your unsaid rules and beat you quite swiftly. Then YOU went into abilities and slotted rapid regen, completely changing your build in order to counter me. Not only that, you switched from crown potions to crafted tripots. Now whos the one here testing casually and who is butthurt about losing a duel?

To top it off, I didnt use any sort of line of sight until our fourth duel, and it had no impact on the duel whatsoever, and I continued to charge straight into your mines and atronarch. But you kept using LOS as a misguided scapegate for why you still lost after switching to rapid regen and tripots.

Here you are claiming that Im changing gear (which I wasnt) and my CP (which I was for testing purposes, even to 100 resistant and low ele defender which is worse) and you are switching abilities around specifically to duel me. Then you are claiming that I am the lame one. Thats a pot calling the kettle black.

Anyone can see this for what it is. Like I said before, I normally respect sypher and think hes a level headed and intelligent guy, and usually very fair. But the ego hurt got the best of him and he attacked me as a cop out.

Go watch the April 27th Dark Brotherhood PTS on Syphers Twitch and you confirm absolutely everything I said.

Like I said, I have always respected Sypher, but he let his ego get the best of him and it was low to try to defame me publicly.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilqEpZ2iNk





(I know I could have respecced to counter his SB spam with a better sustain build like German uses, but it just wasn't that serious)

Dueling is just about who has the most cheese on their plate.

I just watched the stream again. In the first 3 duels we had I didnt LOS or break any of your unsaid rules and beat you quite swiftly. Then YOU went into abilities and slotted rapid regen, completely changing your build in order to counter me. Not only that, you switched from crown potions to crafted tripots. Now whos the one here testing casually and who is butthurt about losing a duel?

To top it off, I didnt use any sort of line of sight until our third or fourth duel, and it had no impact on the duel whatsoever, and I continued to charge straight into your mines and atronarch. But you kept using LOS as a misguided scapegate for why you still lost after switching to rapid regen and tripots.

Here you are claiming that Im changing gear (which I wasnt) and my CP (which I was for testing purposes, even to 100 resistant and low ele defender which is worse) and you are switching abilities around specifically to duel me. Then you are claiming that I am the lame one. Thats a pot calling the kettle black.

Anyone can see this for what it is. Like I said before, I normally respect sypher and think hes a level headed and intelligent guy, and usually very fair. But the ego hurt got the best of him and he attacked me as a cop out.

Go watch the April 27th Dark Brotherhood PTS on Syphers Twitch and you confirm absolutely everything I said.

Like I said, I have always respected Sypher, but he let his ego get the best of him and it was low to try to defame me publicly.

You keep saying I was butthurt and my ego was hurt. Are you even watching my reactions and commentary about the fight? For the most part I found it entertaining.

Also slotting rapid regen and using actual potions is nothing compared to putting 100 points into ele expert and spamming light attacks with a bow. To each their own. I'm not blaming you for the state of duels, you just exemplify a lot of things that is wrong with it.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilqEpZ2iNk





(I know I could have respecced to counter his SB spam with a better sustain build like German uses, but it just wasn't that serious)

Dueling is just about who has the most cheese on their plate.

I just watched the stream again. In the first 3 duels we had I didnt LOS or break any of your unsaid rules and beat you quite swiftly. Then YOU went into abilities and slotted rapid regen, completely changing your build in order to counter me. Not only that, you switched from crown potions to crafted tripots. Now whos the one here testing casually and who is butthurt about losing a duel?

To top it off, I didnt use any sort of line of sight until our third or fourth duel, and it had no impact on the duel whatsoever, and I continued to charge straight into your mines and atronarch. But you kept using LOS as a misguided scapegate for why you still lost after switching to rapid regen and tripots.

Here you are claiming that Im changing gear (which I wasnt) and my CP (which I was for testing purposes, even to 100 resistant and low ele defender which is worse) and you are switching abilities around specifically to duel me. Then you are claiming that I am the lame one. Thats a pot calling the kettle black.

Anyone can see this for what it is. Like I said before, I normally respect sypher and think hes a level headed and intelligent guy, and usually very fair. But the ego hurt got the best of him and he attacked me as a cop out.

Go watch the April 27th Dark Brotherhood PTS on Syphers Twitch and you confirm absolutely everything I said.

Like I said, I have always respected Sypher, but he let his ego get the best of him and it was low to try to defame me publicly.

You keep saying I was butthurt and my ego was hurt. Are you even watching my reactions and commentary about the fight? For the most part I found it entertaining.

Also slotting rapid regen and using actual potions is nothing compared to putting 100 points into ele expert and spamming light attacks with a bow. To each their own. I'm not blaming you for the state of duels, you just exemplify a lot of things that is wrong with it.

Your reactions were fine, until you started thinking I was switching to shield breaker and changing my CP just to fight you. I was fighting everbody in shield breaker, including sribes and everyone else including all stamina builds. I was not changing to shield breaker to fight you, you cant even switch gear while in combat.

Like I have said before, I was switching back and forth between 100 resistant, 100 hardy, and 100 elemental expert on the PTS, as well as various combinations of them to try to figure out what was the overall best setup. You got upset when you thought I was changing gear, CP, and then when I used LOS in one of the later duels, I think the 4th or 5th, you really got upset and started using that as a scapegoat for losses.

No, you werent butthurt at first, you stayed level headed for awhile. But eventually you were, after your 4th or 5th loss and the LOS set you off.

You keep saying you arent blaming me for the state of duels, but then you come in a thread about duels and insult me. Like I said, that is low and I didnt expect that from you, someone who I thought was my friend.

I will say I do feel like my comment wasn't necessary and most of it did stem from the session we had on the test server. So I'll finish this unnecessary argument and say I'm sorry.

I have been very frustrated with dueling ever since 1.6 and especially after 1.7, wasn't right of me to take out on you. Like I said in my previous posts and on stream, you are an excellent dueler and can potentially win any tournament regardless of the rules put in place.

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

This had me rolling lol

Sypher wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KilqEpZ2iNk





(I know I could have respecced to counter his SB spam with a better sustain build like German uses, but it just wasn't that serious)

Dueling is just about who has the most cheese on their plate.

I just watched the stream again. In the first 3 duels we had I didnt LOS or break any of your unsaid rules and beat you quite swiftly. Then YOU went into abilities and slotted rapid regen, completely changing your build in order to counter me. Not only that, you switched from crown potions to crafted tripots. Now whos the one here testing casually and who is butthurt about losing a duel?

To top it off, I didnt use any sort of line of sight until our third or fourth duel, and it had no impact on the duel whatsoever, and I continued to charge straight into your mines and atronarch. But you kept using LOS as a misguided scapegate for why you still lost after switching to rapid regen and tripots.

Here you are claiming that Im changing gear (which I wasnt) and my CP (which I was for testing purposes, even to 100 resistant and low ele defender which is worse) and you are switching abilities around specifically to duel me. Then you are claiming that I am the lame one. Thats a pot calling the kettle black.

Anyone can see this for what it is. Like I said before, I normally respect sypher and think hes a level headed and intelligent guy, and usually very fair. But the ego hurt got the best of him and he attacked me as a cop out.

Go watch the April 27th Dark Brotherhood PTS on Syphers Twitch and you confirm absolutely everything I said.

Like I said, I have always respected Sypher, but he let his ego get the best of him and it was low to try to defame me publicly.

You keep saying I was butthurt and my ego was hurt. Are you even watching my reactions and commentary about the fight? For the most part I found it entertaining.

Also slotting rapid regen and using actual potions is nothing compared to putting 100 points into ele expert and spamming light attacks with a bow. To each their own. I'm not blaming you for the state of duels, you just exemplify a lot of things that is wrong with it.

Bro your hypocrisy is overwhelmingly ridiculous.