Congrats to Sabre Ali!!

Fyaal

Rylana wrote: »

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

Are you ever not salty?

Go complain about the GvG again.

Rylana

Fyaal wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

Are you ever not salty?

Go complain about the GvG again.

Hello Stam DK, I am Rylana.

NativeJoe

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

Well I still want to take my pet build against you for old times sake, back in the day I ran a pet detonation build and you ran a smash you in the face with this arrow type build and we did more then a few rounds.

Now As for changing gear, cp, etc... using immovables...and since I play a sorc using overload... all those things are off the table for me personally. (unless specifically requested)

The rules of this event where clear. What you Start Dueling with, you stick with. plain and simple.

idk, I love dueling because it is normally a friendly competition, not riddled with rage inducing zerg-ology...and next patch 1vsx is going to be even harder because they designed basically our own type of "proxy det", poisons.

Personally I believe you should try to find your love for dueling again. visit ICP, and enjoy some friendly banter, and cross swords with the many unaligned/guildless duelers hanging out on haderous. Jump into some unfamiliar Ts chats and surprise em. I mean actually have some fun.

All the guild really needs is an aggressive recruiting schedule, some more officers to take over events/prizes, and some fat trimmed. All of which don't even have to be run by you. You just gotta delegate the duties, and let the officers do the work for you. Besides, Tournaments, 1vs Xs and whatnot are clearly something you've enjoyed in the past, and something we all still can fall in love with given the opportunity.

Publius_Scipio

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

Better pass it to FENGRUSH. I will be watching.

Publius_Scipio

Lisbette wrote: »

@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:

Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.

-Sabre

I see Sypher's point. HOWEVER, unless anyone here has evidence that Sabre did change stuff around then neither side has a case.

THIS IS HOW JUDGE PUBLIUS SCIPIO OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT COURT OF WAYREST HAS RULED. The counter claims of both parties are dismissed. Both parties have 60 days to file appeals if they so choose.

Vaoh

Whoa. The drama on PC is real....

I agree on the state of dueling just being super stale though.

Back at PS4 release, and a couple months afterward, PvP was very balanced. Duels were fun and were about playing smart and being a good player (we all had standardized stats and Set bonuses basically did nothing).

Burst damage was not a big thing. It wasn't "kill this guy in 1 second or he will heal back to full health", but rather about wearing down your opponent overtime and outplaying them. Good times..... and 1vX was also much more fun and supported.

@SleepyTroll Why are you so hostile toward Sypher? Lol

KingYogi415

I bet Sypher banged his girl!

But seriously we just need a real dueling options that lock certain CP trees at the same values.

FloppyTouch

Gratz!

Armitas

Gratz!!!

Nahz

Sypher wrote: »

he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them

Also

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.

I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.

Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.

So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?

Grats on the win by the way Sabre!

You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.

My name is still in your mouth. I guess I'm relevant enough to you.

Your name is in my mouth becuase you came in here

^

Fasoo

I was wanting to join this tournament but figured it would be full of stuff like this. Might even have showed up on my lowbie nightblade to duel.but I knew if I showed up with a Lich sorc using a lightning staff and perma mines it wouldn't have gone well for me in terms of being called out on "cheesing".

Well done to ali sabre on finding the most cancerous and cheesed out build to win a tournament, and I mean that genuinely. that's the way you win in ESO now, half skill and half ability to find and run the cheesiest spec.

Derra

frozywozy wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

Gladly the game isn't balanced in 1v1s.
StamDK is the second worst class in openworld pvp not really far before Stam sorc.
Hopefuly it gets better in DB with unstable flame scaling off mighty but I doubt it will really make a difference and be competitive with jabs going through dodge rolls or 6k surprise attacks.

You´re not serious are you?

Reyals

Was fun watching sabre spam shieldbreaker bow light attacks on a sorc for 15 minutes straight and still not kill him

Derra

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

This is 100% my issue with dueling. I don´t duel anymore bc people change their builds after the first fight just to specificly counter.

On top of that the few other persons playing with "one build fights all" are all pretty experienced and most likely it´s just going to be a potiondrain fighting them without having a winner before someone falls asleep.

The last species of dueler i dispise are ppl going for tank builds in dueling. What´s the point. There is no outlasting someone in this game. Atleast have a build that´s theoretically able to end the fight without me being afk for 5+ seconds.

Soulac

Derra wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

This is 100% my issue with dueling. I don´t duel anymore bc people change their builds after the first fight just to specificly counter.

On top of that the few other persons playing with "one build fights all" are all pretty experienced and most likely it´s just going to be a potiondrain fighting them without having a winner before someone falls asleep.

The last species of dueler i dispise are ppl going for tank builds in dueling. What´s the point. There is no outlasting someone in this game. Atleast have a build that´s theoretically able to end the fight without me being afk for 5+ seconds.

But all Sorcs are tanks


PS: @Derra you play overwatch tonight 01:00 24th?

Derra

Soulac wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

This is 100% my issue with dueling. I don´t duel anymore bc people change their builds after the first fight just to specificly counter.

On top of that the few other persons playing with "one build fights all" are all pretty experienced and most likely it´s just going to be a potiondrain fighting them without having a winner before someone falls asleep.

The last species of dueler i dispise are ppl going for tank builds in dueling. What´s the point. There is no outlasting someone in this game. Atleast have a build that´s theoretically able to end the fight without me being afk for 5+ seconds.

But all Sorcs are tanks


PS: @Derra you play overwatch tonight 01:00 24th?

Atleast i don´t run mines or attro ulti or harness magica.

I have to get up tomorrow to get certified as a person taking skillful leaps into a sandbox - so most likely not.

DeadlyRecluse

You know, I don't particularly care for Sypher's style of stream, or honestly play, but to say he isn't relevant to ESO (as probably the most famous ESO streamer currently) is myopic at best.

And to say his opinion on dueling is irrelevant when he is (at least for now) the GM of Legend is doubly so.

But either way, thread derail/10, congrats Sabre.

Kev9993

Well done to sabre! Great player. Laughing at all these salty sorcerers. Sabre also won a tournament without shield breaker before. People need to stop being salty and just give some one credit for winning a tournament.

Soulac

Derra wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

This is 100% my issue with dueling. I don´t duel anymore bc people change their builds after the first fight just to specificly counter.

On top of that the few other persons playing with "one build fights all" are all pretty experienced and most likely it´s just going to be a potiondrain fighting them without having a winner before someone falls asleep.

The last species of dueler i dispise are ppl going for tank builds in dueling. What´s the point. There is no outlasting someone in this game. Atleast have a build that´s theoretically able to end the fight without me being afk for 5+ seconds.

But all Sorcs are tanks


PS: @Derra you play overwatch tonight 01:00 24th?

Atleast i don´t run mines or attro ulti or harness magica.

I have to get up tomorrow to get certified as a person taking skillful leaps into a sandbox - so most likely not.

As a melee S&b Stamblade there is nothing that I hate more than a Sorc camping in his mines expecting me to jump inside.

Sport event? xD

Ishammael

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

You are dead wrong.

In every competitive sport on the planet you have to declare your "gear" before every tournament or match. If you change your gear -- you are disqualified. See the rules for golf, tennis, soccer, football, basketball, cycling, racing, etc. There is a huge amount of strategy involved in selected your toolkit or "gear" -- the rest is skill.

An example: in golf you are allowed a select number of clubs. If you are found with more (or less!) anytime during the tournament you are immediately disqualified.

IxSTALKERxI

Sypher wrote: »

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

Make a group pvp guild instead. GvG's are where it's at.

#sypherzerg

Minno

Ishammael wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

You are dead wrong.

In every competitive sport on the planet you have to declare your "gear" before every tournament or match. If you change your gear -- you are disqualified. See the rules for golf, tennis, soccer, football, basketball, cycling, racing, etc. There is a huge amount of strategy involved in selected your toolkit or "gear" -- the rest is skill.

An example: in golf you are allowed a select number of clubs. If you are found with more (or less!) anytime during the tournament you are immediately disqualified.

Which is why, for a similar competitive type of play, I don't understand why duels are ever held in CP campaigns.

It's an easy check to insure that no one swaps or artificially inflates their gameplay via CP.

And I see no issue with gear swap. But it should be before each match and general rules by all parties on which sets should not be used.

KisoValley

Rofl @ NA drama.

Mythical didn't allow shieldbreaker, no malubeths on classes with major mending, no cp/skill changes and it ran as smooth as possible with no complaints after only 2 weekends ago or whenever their tournament was held (Only time skill changes were allowed was in Shey vs Malcolm Sorc vs Sorc semi finals, where Dusk made them fight without shields because the fight was never going to end otherwise).

Meanwhile I'm hearing the winner of this tournament won based off a cheese item set and changes CP/skills based on who he fights? Sick. Not surprised about the outcome of the tournament or the arguing lol.

NA dueling guilds should probably take a page from Mythicals book, and I'm not saying that just because I'm from EU, it would just cause a lot less drama and more accurate results instead of the winner unsurprisingly wearing shieldbreaker.

Grats to Sabre anyway, I know you're considered a top dueler so well played.

Minno

KisoValley wrote: »

Rofl @ NA drama.

Mythical didn't allow shieldbreaker, no malubeths on classes with major mending, no cp/skill changes and it ran as smooth as possible with no complaints after only 2 weekends ago or whenever their tournament was held (Only time skill changes were allowed was in Shey vs Malcolm Sorc vs Sorc semi finals, where Dusk made them fight without shields because the fight was never going to end otherwise).

Meanwhile I'm hearing the winner of this tournament won based off a cheese item set and changes CP/skills based on who he fights? Sick. Not surprised about the outcome of the tournament or the arguing lol.

NA dueling guilds should probably take a page from Mythicals book, and I'm not saying that just because I'm from EU, it would just cause a lot less drama and more accurate results instead of the winner unsurprisingly wearing shieldbreaker.

Grats to Sabre anyway, I know you're considered a top dueler so well played.

Simple rules, sexy gameplay.

Quick question: Do you guys over there even eat popcorn to fully enjoy our NA drama? Lol

Wollust

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Rofl @ NA drama.

Mythical didn't allow shieldbreaker, no malubeths on classes with major mending, no cp/skill changes and it ran as smooth as possible with no complaints after only 2 weekends ago or whenever their tournament was held (Only time skill changes were allowed was in Shey vs Malcolm Sorc vs Sorc semi finals, where Dusk made them fight without shields because the fight was never going to end otherwise).

Meanwhile I'm hearing the winner of this tournament won based off a cheese item set and changes CP/skills based on who he fights? Sick. Not surprised about the outcome of the tournament or the arguing lol.

NA dueling guilds should probably take a page from Mythicals book, and I'm not saying that just because I'm from EU, it would just cause a lot less drama and more accurate results instead of the winner unsurprisingly wearing shieldbreaker.

Grats to Sabre anyway, I know you're considered a top dueler so well played.

Simple rules, sexy gameplay.

Quick question: Do you guys over there even eat popcorn to fully enjoy our NA drama? Lol

We do. Especially with all the delicious salt here.

KisoValley

Minno wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Rofl @ NA drama.

Mythical didn't allow shieldbreaker, no malubeths on classes with major mending, no cp/skill changes and it ran as smooth as possible with no complaints after only 2 weekends ago or whenever their tournament was held (Only time skill changes were allowed was in Shey vs Malcolm Sorc vs Sorc semi finals, where Dusk made them fight without shields because the fight was never going to end otherwise).

Meanwhile I'm hearing the winner of this tournament won based off a cheese item set and changes CP/skills based on who he fights? Sick. Not surprised about the outcome of the tournament or the arguing lol.

NA dueling guilds should probably take a page from Mythicals book, and I'm not saying that just because I'm from EU, it would just cause a lot less drama and more accurate results instead of the winner unsurprisingly wearing shieldbreaker.

Grats to Sabre anyway, I know you're considered a top dueler so well played.

Simple rules, sexy gameplay.

Quick question: Do you guys over there even eat popcorn to fully enjoy our NA drama? Lol

Of course we do.

Publius_Scipio

Look, was it good idea for Sypher to come into a congratulations thread and post what he did? No (I do it all the time to keep elves, cats, drunks, and lizards on their toes lol). Probably worse because Sypher's words carry no weight to the specific topic of this tournament because neither he nor anyone else has evidence of Sabre changing anything. Having come in here to say Sabre "is known" for changing stuff up for duels really means nothing, because without evidence I can't convict him as a judge in the Southern District of Wayrest Court.

Can Sypher come into a thread and type what he did? Yup, for sure. The forums are just that, an open forum. But I see Sypher's general point about duels. If you want to be as competitive as possible there needs to be some transparency and parity. It's the reason why boxing and mma have weight divisions. And they get tested for PEDs. Sabre Ali pee into a cup before tournament? Class and skill balance are important and always needed.

I feel bad for Tamerlin and Sabre because a congratulatory thread has soured, and even though I call Sabre Ali Sypher's cousin in zone all the time, he's a COVENANT soldier, and he whooped red and yellow a** in a tournament. Regardless of accusations being false or true.

Now Sabre could sue Sypher for defamation in the appellate courts in Bangkorai where judge Sooz sits. It's probably a stretch but if Sabre presents his case well and with enough evidence Sypher will have a judgement ruled against him. If Sypher then appeals and loses, the case will be sent back to the Southern District of Wayrest where I will levy the sentence upon Sypher. And the citizens of Tamriel know that I AM FAIR, but I will throw the book at him! HARD TIMES LITTLE ELF MAN! HARD TIMES!

That being said, the community should (as I did) push for Sypher to hand the reigns of Legend over to the mighty FENGRUSH. He will clean up the cesspool known as Legend and restore it to the glory and luster it once had.

Hold the door! Hodor!! Hold the dooorrrr!!!

Lexxypwns

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

I got you bruh, since starting to main a magika DK there's only a few useful skills so I can't really change much from fight to fight anyway

#majorheroismonpowerlash
#fixdragonblood

Xexpo

Congrats Sabre!

Shouldn't the salty QQ patrol go make their own thread to whine about duel metas?

Derra

Minno wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

You are dead wrong.

In every competitive sport on the planet you have to declare your "gear" before every tournament or match. If you change your gear -- you are disqualified. See the rules for golf, tennis, soccer, football, basketball, cycling, racing, etc. There is a huge amount of strategy involved in selected your toolkit or "gear" -- the rest is skill.

An example: in golf you are allowed a select number of clubs. If you are found with more (or less!) anytime during the tournament you are immediately disqualified.

Which is why, for a similar competitive type of play, I don't understand why duels are ever held in CP campaigns.

It's an easy check to insure that no one swaps or artificially inflates their gameplay via CP.

And I see no issue with gear swap. But it should be before each match and general rules by all parties on which sets should not be used.

Because the game is balanced for CP.

You can´t win against shieldbreaker on a sorc on no CP because it does a fixed dmg value that is balanced for CP crit/dmg/heal and stats.

I´ve demolished really good sorcs on non CP by simply spamming bow light because there is no way to outheal that kind of dmg.

No CP is only treating symptoms while creating other problems.