Congrats to Sabre Ali!!

Lisbette

Congrats to Sabre for winning the Legend Dueling Tournament. As defending champion it was also great to see him defend his title. He only plays about 5 hours a week so it was impressive to see him prevail against some of the more serious gamers!

-Tamerlin

Rylana

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

frozywozy

Rylana wrote: »

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

Gladly the game isn't balanced in 1v1s.
StamDK is the second worst class in openworld pvp not really far before Stam sorc.
Hopefuly it gets better in DB with unstable flame scaling off mighty but I doubt it will really make a difference and be competitive with jabs going through dodge rolls or 6k surprise attacks.

Publius_Scipio

Naturally a COVENANT SOLDIER was going to win this tournament. I had no doubt.

SleepyTroll

frozywozy wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Shield Breaker stamblade, not particularly surprised tbh. Not taking anything away from Sabre here, but the cheesy stam meta has gotten pretty old. The only thing potentially stronger is a Stam DK 1H/s bashcancel machine, and those are usually run by really unskilled players that got them cookie cutter.

Stam needs toned down, hard.

Gladly the game isn't balanced in 1v1s.
StamDK is the second worst class in openworld pvp not really far before Stam sorc.
Hopefuly it gets better in DB with unstable flame scaling off mighty but I doubt it will really make a difference and be competitive with jabs going through dodge rolls or 6k surprise attacks.

The game is balanced in 1v1. Wrobal literally said it on the last stream. So they don't officially support dueling but that's how their gauge balance.

Congrats Saber!

Sypher

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

DisgracefulMind

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

Sypher

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

Lisbette

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

Actually this duel no one was allowed to switch champion points around. And his fasallas shield breaker gear is the exact same setup he uses open world. I know he does switch his skills around from duel to duel but so does everyone else lol.

Other than this tournament I'm sure pretty much everyone repecs champion points depending on who they are playing, why wouldn't they?

IMO dueling will be even worse next patch with the introduction of poisons.

SleepyTroll

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

DisgracefulMind

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

I feel ya there.

I was excited to hear about the tourney, went to watch, and it was really a sad state to see. It was near impossible to spectate so I left after watching blaba's first match (meteors flying everywhere, the people in the matches getting bubbles from people because they had to heal themselves from everyone trying to one shot the spectators, etc etc.).

I hope the best for the future of Legend. ):

Rylana

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Because thats just metagaming and stupid, and the exact reason I do not duel. Go in and fight, just fight, and stop trying to predetermine the result.

Blind duel = skilled
Metagame rebuild counterplay = unskilled memorization of trivial rock paper scissors crap


This is also why I have absolutely no love for most duelers, because if they lose the first fight, the blind duel, they cry like a baby until you let them put on the perfect counter setup to get their ego back. Sorry, you lose the first one, thats the only one that mattered.

Sypher

Lisbette wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

Actually this duel no one was allowed to switch champion points around. And his fasallas shield breaker gear is the exact same setup he uses open world. I know he does switch his skills around from duel to duel but so does everyone else lol.

Other than this tournament I'm sure pretty much everyone repecs champion points depending on who they are playing, why wouldn't they?

IMO dueling will be even worse next patch with the introduction of poisons.

Nope. I'm pretty sure only people who want a *** dueling experience change their CP and charge 3k gold depending on who they are going against.

I've faced Sabre on the PTS and every time I challenged him, he would go to his gear, change all his gear, then open his CP tree and respec his entire CP tree to counter whatever he is going against.

Like I said, not trying to take anything from him. He is an excellent dueler, but of all the people I know, he might be one of the only people I see change his entire build on the fly before every match.

Example: Going against a sorc? Put on 5 shield breaker / 100 points into elemental resist / Points into shield damage passive
Going against a stamina nb? slot mark / 100 points into physical resist / change gear
Going against templar/healing build? 5 fassalla / 100 points into elemental resist
etc, etc.

He is not the only person who does this. It makes dueling very stale.

SleepyTroll

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Suru

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

I feel ya there.

I was excited to hear about the tourney, went to watch, and it was really a sad state to see. It was near impossible to spectate so I left after watching blaba's first match (meteors flying everywhere, the people in the matches getting bubbles from people because they had to heal themselves from everyone trying to one shot the spectators, etc etc.).

I hope the best for the future of Legend. ):

It was incredibly annoying to even spectate the tourney. People siegeing the crowd with oil catapults? Lol.

KennanTheCold

Rylana wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Because thats just metagaming and stupid, and the exact reason I do not duel. Go in and fight, just fight, and stop trying to predetermine the result.

Blind duel = skilled
Metagame rebuild counterplay = unskilled memorization of trivial rock paper scissors crap

Trying to predetermine the result, otherwise known as preparing for a fight and to win. In any competitive environment this is the norm. The only unfair fight is the one you loose. I'm not here to stick up for Sabre or to disagree with you, i'm just trying to add some common sense to this thread, which should have just been a pat on the back for Sabre.

Sypher

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

Rylana

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

Sypher

KennanTheCold wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Because thats just metagaming and stupid, and the exact reason I do not duel. Go in and fight, just fight, and stop trying to predetermine the result.

Blind duel = skilled
Metagame rebuild counterplay = unskilled memorization of trivial rock paper scissors crap

Trying to predetermine the result, otherwise known as preparing for a fight and to win. In any competitive environment this is the norm. The only unfair fight is the one you loose. I'm not here to stick up for Sabre or to disagree with you, i'm just trying to add some common sense to this thread, which should have just been a pat on the back for Sabre.

TRYING.. you're right about that. You should TRY to predetermine the fight, and prepare yourself. There is a difference with TRYING to predetermine the fight and actually knowing exactly what to run before any fight because you know you will be facing a specific opponent.

That is why some tournaments require that you provide your build prior to entering the tournament (Trying to predetermine) and they do not allow people to change their gear/cp based off who they get matched up with (Guaranteed to determine)

SleepyTroll

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.

Soulac

I'd be way too lazy to switch my build everytime.
One build for duels and small scale / solo and a slightly different one for group play.
Changing your build just to counter the enemy will take any learning potential away imo.

Beating an enemy that has advantages against you, that's what brings your forward!

Rylana

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.

Come fight me without knowing what I am running, I am most certainly not afraid to fight you. In fact I can almost guarantee you wont kill me without knowing beforehand exactly what I am running. Depending on what I bring, actually, youd probably lose, given you know absolutely zero about me. but youll fire back with something about relevance and how studying your enemy makes you better than me, so whatever man.

I am not even blustering, it is extremely rare for me to encounter someone in open field on my own that can actually defeat me solo. Many try, most fail, most end up babbling at me in tells for an hour afterward saying how awesome the fight was and its too bad we couldnt finish each other. You come off as one of those cats that would get super pissy, call in a friend, throw a teabag on a 2v1 well done, or run off, change build, come back and act like a boss after.

Thats the source of MY derision.

KennanTheCold

All of this, oh preset is unskilled, or anything else in this thread is off topic. Like I said earlier, I don't really know sabre, but i do know hes a good dueler. I also know that so many people in this game cant stand to see someone else get a pat on the back, and have to rain on them.

As a final note, what duel these days is ever blind? every class has one or two cookie cutter builds, and that's all you pretty much will ever see any competitive players run, duel or no duel, because those are the builds that work, are BiS, cheesy easy wins, or w/e you want to call it.

SleepyTroll

Rylana wrote: »

If I threw down a challenge in this thread to blind duel a random toon of my choosing (and i have all classes, all flavors), I wonder how many would actually take me up on that, without knowing what I was bringing first.

Not very many anymore I reckon, and when I showed up, theyd make every excuse in the book if it just happened to be the counter to whatever cheese they had on tap at the time. They would then make me wait 15 minutes while they went and got an alt, or respecced, or had to take a raincheck, blah blah blah.

Most people I run into 1v1 out in the field randomly with no warning, end up either stalemate or a victory for me, I dont lose often in truly blind encounters. But a preset fight? Guarantee i come with the sorc, im gonna fight a stam DK bashcancel shieldbreaker spec, etc. Its just dumb.

That's not a duel that's an open world encounter. If you and Sypher want to have all these rules in a tournament then go for it but why come in here spew your ***?

Sypher

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.

I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.

Rylana

Soulac wrote: »

I'd be way too lazy to switch my build everytime.
One build for duels and small scale / solo and a slightly different one for group play.
Changing your build just to counter the enemy will take any learning potential away imo.

Beating an enemy that has advantages against you, that's what brings your forward!

This guy gets it.

SleepyTroll

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...

Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.

Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.

Until then it's in a terrible state.

This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.

I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).

If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?

Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.

I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.

I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.

Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.

Rylana

KennanTheCold wrote: »

All of this, oh preset is unskilled, or anything else in this thread is off topic. Like I said earlier, I don't really know sabre, but i do know hes a good dueler. I also know that so many people in this game cant stand to see someone else get a pat on the back, and have to rain on them.

As a final note, what duel these days is ever blind? every class has one or two cookie cutter builds, and that's all you pretty much will ever see any competitive players run, duel or no duel, because those are the builds that work, are BiS, cheesy easy wins, or w/e you want to call it.

Not one of my builds is cookie cutter, and id love to see you prove otherwise. In fact, im one of the most unique builders out there. 30k health magisorc? Wut? 16k magicka/26k health stamblade? wut? But thats not optimal, deltia told me so!!!

But it makes for a fight no cookie cutter build can beat, and thats the trick to it, if you build to handle most anything that comes your way, you DONT HAVE to change a damn thing to fight just about anyone you face. Thats true knowledge and skill.

I mean you ever seen my builds on the DR website? Its pretty funny how far I go trying to Hybrid everything because I am obsessed with the 20-1 resource/regen ratio and prismatic enchants.

SleepyTroll

Rylana wrote: »

KennanTheCold wrote: »

All of this, oh preset is unskilled, or anything else in this thread is off topic. Like I said earlier, I don't really know sabre, but i do know hes a good dueler. I also know that so many people in this game cant stand to see someone else get a pat on the back, and have to rain on them.

As a final note, what duel these days is ever blind? every class has one or two cookie cutter builds, and that's all you pretty much will ever see any competitive players run, duel or no duel, because those are the builds that work, are BiS, cheesy easy wins, or w/e you want to call it.

Not one of my builds is cookie cutter, and id love to see you prove otherwise. In fact, im one of the most unique builders out there. 30k health magisorc? Wut? 16k magicka/26k health stamblade? wut? But thats not optimal, deltia told me so!!!

But it makes for a fight no cookie cutter build can beat, and thats the trick to it, if you build to handle most anything that comes your way, you DONT HAVE to change a damn thing to fight just about anyone you face. Thats true knowledge and skill.

If you have such amazing skill, builds and knowledge why didn't you win the tournament? Show us that true knowledge and skill with a build that can beat anything.

Rylana

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

KennanTheCold wrote: »

All of this, oh preset is unskilled, or anything else in this thread is off topic. Like I said earlier, I don't really know sabre, but i do know hes a good dueler. I also know that so many people in this game cant stand to see someone else get a pat on the back, and have to rain on them.

As a final note, what duel these days is ever blind? every class has one or two cookie cutter builds, and that's all you pretty much will ever see any competitive players run, duel or no duel, because those are the builds that work, are BiS, cheesy easy wins, or w/e you want to call it.

Not one of my builds is cookie cutter, and id love to see you prove otherwise. In fact, im one of the most unique builders out there. 30k health magisorc? Wut? 16k magicka/26k health stamblade? wut? But thats not optimal, deltia told me so!!!

But it makes for a fight no cookie cutter build can beat, and thats the trick to it, if you build to handle most anything that comes your way, you DONT HAVE to change a damn thing to fight just about anyone you face. Thats true knowledge and skill.

If you have such amazing skill, builds and knowledge why didn't you win the tournament? Show us that true knowledge and skill with a build that can beat anything.

Because I dont like predetermined cheese duels. Like I said. Anyone wants to fight me, find me and fight me, but youre going to know exactly zero before you do, so come get some?

KennanTheCold

Rylana wrote: »

KennanTheCold wrote: »

All of this, oh preset is unskilled, or anything else in this thread is off topic. Like I said earlier, I don't really know sabre, but i do know hes a good dueler. I also know that so many people in this game cant stand to see someone else get a pat on the back, and have to rain on them.

As a final note, what duel these days is ever blind? every class has one or two cookie cutter builds, and that's all you pretty much will ever see any competitive players run, duel or no duel, because those are the builds that work, are BiS, cheesy easy wins, or w/e you want to call it.

Not one of my builds is cookie cutter, and id love to see you prove otherwise. In fact, im one of the most unique builders out there. 30k health magisorc? Wut? 16k magicka/26k health stamblade? wut? But thats not optimal, deltia told me so!!!

But it makes for a fight no cookie cutter build can beat, and thats the trick to it, if you build to handle most anything that comes your way, you DONT HAVE to change a damn thing to fight just about anyone you face. Thats true knowledge and skill.

I mean you ever seen my builds on the DR website? Its pretty funny how far I go trying to Hybrid everything because I am obsessed with the 20-1 resource/regen ratio and prismatic enchants.

I'm not sure why you think I was referring specifically to you. I never said all, but I did say most competitive players, that leaves room out for plenty of people. If the shoe doesn't fit...toss it out.