Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Shield breaker is a legit set, as legit as camping mines and spamming shields. A sorc who cannot defend himself vs shield breaker in a 1v1 doesn`t deserve any tournament win imo. It is close to impossible to kill a top level sorc when not running shield breaker as a balanced stam build (not min/maxing damage, i.e. offensive heavy setups)
EU dueling rules are onesided as hell and ignore some of the strongest offender (vmsa wpns, axes in particular) to meaningful outcomes. I mean, how can weapons that auto-apply bleeds which potentially make up 50%+ of the death recap be allowed but not shield breaker?
Publius_Scipio wrote: »PosternHouse wrote: »An MMA fighter or boxer tailors their entire training camp to specifically counter a particular fighter. Yet, no one detracts from the entertainment value or difficulty of those sports because the competitors prepare themselves. They know who they're fighting and what their strengths are. In ESO, If you know you're going to duel a certain person who is going to use certain tactics, why not prepare?
It seems those criticizing Sabre dislike that he prepares himself while they remain predictable. That's their fault, not Sabre's. And this strategy seems lame to you ... well dueling might not be for you. (I don't blame you. Duels in this game detracted away from what I enjoyed the most: random, frantic pvp.)
This might be one of the most significant posts in this whole thread. Quite possibly sinking Sypher's battleship this time around. If not sunk, then definitely a huge gaping hole in the hull and water rushing in. Sometimes you have to concede defeat.
On top of that, it seems the EU players are much more smart by instating tournament rules. If Sabre did change CP and gear around, and there was no rule against it, can't fault him. Maybe those who fell to Sabre were the fools for not changing things up to stop Sabre. And if you agree there, then I can make the argument that a COVENANT SOLDIER outsmarted the elves and drunks and won! MAKE RULES PEOPLE!!!!
There where rules. and unspoken codes of conduct as well.
1.What you start dueling with, You stick with. No changes to anything.
2. No lightning staves
3. No exploiting
unspoken agreement among duelers : No immovables, no LOS, No perma stealthing and purposely prolonging the matches.
No lightning staves wat?
That´s something i´ve heared for the very first time.
KisoValley wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »PosternHouse wrote: »An MMA fighter or boxer tailors their entire training camp to specifically counter a particular fighter. Yet, no one detracts from the entertainment value or difficulty of those sports because the competitors prepare themselves. They know who they're fighting and what their strengths are. In ESO, If you know you're going to duel a certain person who is going to use certain tactics, why not prepare?
It seems those criticizing Sabre dislike that he prepares himself while they remain predictable. That's their fault, not Sabre's. And this strategy seems lame to you ... well dueling might not be for you. (I don't blame you. Duels in this game detracted away from what I enjoyed the most: random, frantic pvp.)
This might be one of the most significant posts in this whole thread. Quite possibly sinking Sypher's battleship this time around. If not sunk, then definitely a huge gaping hole in the hull and water rushing in. Sometimes you have to concede defeat.
On top of that, it seems the EU players are much more smart by instating tournament rules. If Sabre did change CP and gear around, and there was no rule against it, can't fault him. Maybe those who fell to Sabre were the fools for not changing things up to stop Sabre. And if you agree there, then I can make the argument that a COVENANT SOLDIER outsmarted the elves and drunks and won! MAKE RULES PEOPLE!!!!
There where rules. and unspoken codes of conduct as well.
1.What you start dueling with, You stick with. No changes to anything.
2. No lightning staves
3. No exploiting
unspoken agreement among duelers : No immovables, no LOS, No perma stealthing and purposely prolonging the matches.
No lightning staves wat?
That´s something i´ve heared for the very first time.
@Derra Lightning staves desync health. All the sorcs in EU used Inferno staff for this reason.
KisoValley wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »PosternHouse wrote: »An MMA fighter or boxer tailors their entire training camp to specifically counter a particular fighter. Yet, no one detracts from the entertainment value or difficulty of those sports because the competitors prepare themselves. They know who they're fighting and what their strengths are. In ESO, If you know you're going to duel a certain person who is going to use certain tactics, why not prepare?
It seems those criticizing Sabre dislike that he prepares himself while they remain predictable. That's their fault, not Sabre's. And this strategy seems lame to you ... well dueling might not be for you. (I don't blame you. Duels in this game detracted away from what I enjoyed the most: random, frantic pvp.)
This might be one of the most significant posts in this whole thread. Quite possibly sinking Sypher's battleship this time around. If not sunk, then definitely a huge gaping hole in the hull and water rushing in. Sometimes you have to concede defeat.
On top of that, it seems the EU players are much more smart by instating tournament rules. If Sabre did change CP and gear around, and there was no rule against it, can't fault him. Maybe those who fell to Sabre were the fools for not changing things up to stop Sabre. And if you agree there, then I can make the argument that a COVENANT SOLDIER outsmarted the elves and drunks and won! MAKE RULES PEOPLE!!!!
There where rules. and unspoken codes of conduct as well.
1.What you start dueling with, You stick with. No changes to anything.
2. No lightning staves
3. No exploiting
unspoken agreement among duelers : No immovables, no LOS, No perma stealthing and purposely prolonging the matches.
No lightning staves wat?
That´s something i´ve heared for the very first time.
@Derra Lightning staves desync health. All the sorcs in EU used Inferno staff for this reason.
Hm. The more you know. I thought most use inferno staff for burst reasons as you basically need one to kill other sorcs.
Haven´t used a lightning one (nor seen one used) in ages sadly.
KisoValley wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Shield breaker is a legit set, as legit as camping mines and spamming shields. A sorc who cannot defend himself vs shield breaker in a 1v1 doesn`t deserve any tournament win imo. It is close to impossible to kill a top level sorc when not running shield breaker as a balanced stam build (not min/maxing damage, i.e. offensive heavy setups)
EU dueling rules are onesided as hell and ignore some of the strongest offender (vmsa wpns, axes in particular) to meaningful outcomes. I mean, how can weapons that auto-apply bleeds which potentially make up 50%+ of the death recap be allowed but not shield breaker?
@Mojomonkeyman Clearly you didn't watch Mythicals tournament lol. There's a reason it was a lot less controversial than this and had a clear winner in the end without cheese tactics, changing cp, changing gear and changing skills etc. lol
e: Btw, it's funny how only 2 sorcs got to the semis of the EU tournament when no one was using SB. The rest of the sorcs lost their duels, and some of them are "top level sorcs" as you put it, not just randoms who entered for the sake of entering. In the finals, most people though the Stamplar was winning until his mistake cost him the duel vs Shey. It sounds to me NA has a problem of their stam players not being able to beat a sorc without SB, or their sorcs are just a class above all the stam players.
I think changing cp/gear/skills is more of a issue than a cheese set anyway. Not sure how this thread became all about SB. If Yoyuyi is saying he and Chief noticed that Sabre was changing stuff between duels then that is a big problem because it shouldn't be allowed.
Btw have I said I love NA drama?
Tsar_Bogatyr wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Shield breaker is a legit set, as legit as camping mines and spamming shields. A sorc who cannot defend himself vs shield breaker in a 1v1 doesn`t deserve any tournament win imo. It is close to impossible to kill a top level sorc when not running shield breaker as a balanced stam build (not min/maxing damage, i.e. offensive heavy setups)
EU dueling rules are onesided as hell and ignore some of the strongest offender (vmsa wpns, axes in particular) to meaningful outcomes. I mean, how can weapons that auto-apply bleeds which potentially make up 50%+ of the death recap be allowed but not shield breaker?
@Mojomonkeyman Clearly you didn't watch Mythicals tournament lol. There's a reason it was a lot less controversial than this and had a clear winner in the end without cheese tactics, changing cp, changing gear and changing skills etc. lol
e: Btw, it's funny how only 2 sorcs got to the semis of the EU tournament when no one was using SB. The rest of the sorcs lost their duels, and some of them are "top level sorcs" as you put it, not just randoms who entered for the sake of entering. In the finals, most people though the Stamplar was winning until his mistake cost him the duel vs Shey. It sounds to me NA has a problem of their stam players not being able to beat a sorc without SB, or their sorcs are just a class above all the stam players.
I think changing cp/gear/skills is more of a issue than a cheese set anyway. Not sure how this thread became all about SB. If Yoyuyi is saying he and Chief noticed that Sabre was changing stuff between duels then that is a big problem because it shouldn't be allowed.
Btw have I said I love NA drama?
using both SB & Malu was banned from the 1v1 tourney and malu in general from major mending, other than that all sets were fine
also
@Mojomonkeyman how does vmsa charge bleed consist of 50% of ur recap when it tics for like 500 per 2 sec. There must be something very wrong if that is the case
KisoValley wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »PosternHouse wrote: »An MMA fighter or boxer tailors their entire training camp to specifically counter a particular fighter. Yet, no one detracts from the entertainment value or difficulty of those sports because the competitors prepare themselves. They know who they're fighting and what their strengths are. In ESO, If you know you're going to duel a certain person who is going to use certain tactics, why not prepare?
It seems those criticizing Sabre dislike that he prepares himself while they remain predictable. That's their fault, not Sabre's. And this strategy seems lame to you ... well dueling might not be for you. (I don't blame you. Duels in this game detracted away from what I enjoyed the most: random, frantic pvp.)
This might be one of the most significant posts in this whole thread. Quite possibly sinking Sypher's battleship this time around. If not sunk, then definitely a huge gaping hole in the hull and water rushing in. Sometimes you have to concede defeat.
On top of that, it seems the EU players are much more smart by instating tournament rules. If Sabre did change CP and gear around, and there was no rule against it, can't fault him. Maybe those who fell to Sabre were the fools for not changing things up to stop Sabre. And if you agree there, then I can make the argument that a COVENANT SOLDIER outsmarted the elves and drunks and won! MAKE RULES PEOPLE!!!!
There where rules. and unspoken codes of conduct as well.
1.What you start dueling with, You stick with. No changes to anything.
2. No lightning staves
3. No exploiting
unspoken agreement among duelers : No immovables, no LOS, No perma stealthing and purposely prolonging the matches.
No lightning staves wat?
That´s something i´ve heared for the very first time.
@Derra Lightning staves desync health. All the sorcs in EU used Inferno staff for this reason.
Hm. The more you know. I thought most use inferno staff for burst reasons as you basically need one to kill other sorcs.
Haven´t used a lightning one (nor seen one used) in ages sadly.
KisoValley wrote: »e: Btw, it's funny how only 2 sorcs got to the semis of the EU tournament when no one was using SB. The rest of the sorcs lost their duels, and some of them are "top level sorcs" as you put it, not just randoms who entered for the sake of entering.
KisoValley wrote: »e: Btw, it's funny how only 2 sorcs got to the semis of the EU tournament when no one was using SB. The rest of the sorcs lost their duels, and some of them are "top level sorcs" as you put it, not just randoms who entered for the sake of entering.
I my personal main offender in the tourney was that two of the best active stamDKs did not participate for whatever reasons.
Also the duel between malcom and shey was a bit *** up when removing both harness + hardened from bars as shey had a huge advantage with detonation then /roll 100 would have been fairer imo.
kinggingernator wrote: »If someone is spamming shield breaker in a duel I will Los them so hard. There isn't a spoken rule about that is there? Somehow I don't think spamming light attacks takes a ton of skill.
Aside from that it's impossible to prove anything either way here. I don't think people should change cp and gear for each duel but as there is no proof nothing can be said and ik sabre is a good player no matter how cheesy whatever he is doing is.
kinggingernator wrote: »If someone is spamming shield breaker in a duel I will Los them so hard. There isn't a spoken rule about that is there? Somehow I don't think spamming light attacks takes a ton of skill.
Aside from that it's impossible to prove anything either way here. I don't think people should change cp and gear for each duel but as there is no proof nothing can be said and ik sabre is a good player no matter how cheesy whatever he is doing is.
Was fun watching sabre spam shieldbreaker bow light attacks on a sorc for 15 minutes straight and still not kill him
kinggingernator wrote: »If someone is spamming shield breaker in a duel I will Los them so hard. There isn't a spoken rule about that is there? Somehow I don't think spamming light attacks takes a ton of skill.
Aside from that it's impossible to prove anything either way here. I don't think people should change cp and gear for each duel but as there is no proof nothing can be said and ik sabre is a good player no matter how cheesy whatever he is doing is.
Like i said, Jordaen tested his damage against sabre before EACH fight he did. Jordaen consistently got different values on his damage before sabre fought an opponent. For example, sabre was about to fight LowPolicy (stam dk) and Jordaen hit him for about a 5k WB. Then sabre was to duel blabafat (a magicka templar) and jordaen ended up hitting for a 5.8k WB. He is very clearly changing CP, plus he has done it plenty in the past
kinggingernator wrote: »If someone is spamming shield breaker in a duel I will Los them so hard. There isn't a spoken rule about that is there? Somehow I don't think spamming light attacks takes a ton of skill.
Aside from that it's impossible to prove anything either way here. I don't think people should change cp and gear for each duel but as there is no proof nothing can be said and ik sabre is a good player no matter how cheesy whatever he is doing is.
KisoValley wrote: »kinggingernator wrote: »If someone is spamming shield breaker in a duel I will Los them so hard. There isn't a spoken rule about that is there? Somehow I don't think spamming light attacks takes a ton of skill.
Aside from that it's impossible to prove anything either way here. I don't think people should change cp and gear for each duel but as there is no proof nothing can be said and ik sabre is a good player no matter how cheesy whatever he is doing is.
LoS was banned in the EU tourny. I assume seeing as no one has mentioned anything was banned in the NA tourny it wasn't banned in it.
As I said, and Hyssia said, if you put rules in no one can cry other then CP changes which apparently it has been proven Sabre was changing CP according to Yoyuyi. Not sure what the story is behind Jordaen not having any credibility with anyone but yeah.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »I've decided to ask a legitimate question. I'm not part of the guild/TS/streaming scene, I only know of people from zone chat.
I know that Tamerlin and Sabre Ali have been DC since forever, along with many of the other known DC players (if I'm not mistaken chief/Jordan is more new?) Why all the beef within DC, more specifically in this thread?
Tamerlin and Sabre aren't Lowbei (lol).
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Welcome to the forums Mr. Sabre Ali. Your business with the other players and Legend is just that, your business. But COVENANT business is Scipio business and I need all DC fighting off the tsunami of elves in haderus.
I do very much like how you detailed the tournament explaining counters and the like. I also laugh at this SISSY SORC who thought hiding up his summoned atronach's a** is a good idea.
All that being said, not knowing how to log into the forums is a l2p issue.
LegendaryMage wrote: »Gratz to Sabre for winning the tourney, I fought him a few times and he is definitely a strong player.Pretty sure most of NA enjoys the EU drama of LegMage vs Everyone else.
I already beat up pretty much everyone on EU who duels regularly so many times, I can't count. People will be hating for as long as they are playing, don't take it seriously - it's just pvp tears really...