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Congrats to Sabre Ali!!
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vortexman11✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant? Either way, I don't see why his relevance was brought up when all Sypher was pointing out is an obvious flaw in dueling, and as the GM of the largest dueling guild on the NA server Im sure he has the right to say such and make rules to counter stuff like that.
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!Edited by vortexman11 on May 23, 2016 6:31AMGuild of Shadows ~Elite~Învictus ~Council~
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
To the guy above since you edited your comment: He's the Gm of a dueling guild who refuses to duel people.Edited by SleepyTroll on May 23, 2016 6:35AM1 -
Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
My name is still in your mouth. I guess I'm relevant enough to you.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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vortexman11✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
I've never heard someone bitching about you in zone. So his relevance obviously outshines that of your own.
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EP | Eterno Tempesta | Altmer Sorcerer | LvL 50 | Rank 33 |
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
Look, I am gonna straight shoot with you here. I dont like Sypher, our history is well documented. I never really have, but we get along well enough. I dont agree with much of what he says, does, or really appreciate ANY of his devout egotard fanboys.
But one thing I can tell you, is the man is relevant as hell, much moreso that I could say for you. Ive never had an argument with him or a disagreement where he didnt have valid counterpoints etc, its just a difference of opinion (i favor group play, he favors 1vX, and certain mechanics changes and stuff like that)
But youre just some guy on a forum babbling on about relevance as if you are any authority on the subject. I at least know who Sypher IS, hell ive fought the guy multiple times. Who are you again?@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
I've never heard someone bitching about you in zone. So his relevance obviously outshines that of your own.
Wait so no one *** about me in zone because I'm a piece of *** who begs for gold to do giveaways on stream? oh darn.1 -
Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
Look, I am gonna straight shoot with you here. I dont like Sypher, our history is well documented. I never really have, but we get along well enough. I dont agree with much of what he says, does, or really appreciate ANY of his devout egotard fanboys.
But one thing I can tell you, is the man is relevant as hell, much moreso that I could say for you. Ive never had an argument with him or a disagreement where he didnt have valid counterpoints etc, its just a difference of opinion (i favor group play, he favors 1vX, and certain mechanics changes and stuff like that)
But youre just some guy on a forum babbling on about relevance as if you are any authority on the subject. I at least know who Sypher IS, hell ive fought the guy multiple times. Who are you again?
Respect.
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
My name is still in your mouth. I guess I'm relevant enough to you.
Your name is in my mouth becuase you came in here, not even to congradulate Saber but to *** about the game. Sorry this thread wasnt about you.Edited by SleepyTroll on May 23, 2016 6:42AM4 -
KennanTheCold✭✭✭On the plus side i'm sure Sabre and/or tamerlin will see how this thread devolved, and laugh his/her ass off.
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✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
My name is still in your mouth. I guess I'm relevant enough to you.
Your name is in my mouth becuase you came in here, not even to congradulate Saber but to *** about the game. Sorry this thread wasnt about you.
My comment was VERY relevant to the topic. I don't have to congratulate someone if I don't want to. I completely disagree with the state of dueling currently and expressed my opinion of Sabre (the guy who won) and dueling in general.
You are the one dragging this off topic. So go to sleep Mr. Sleepy Troll.
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✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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✭SleepyTroll wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »
Its a small community and word of mouth travels fast. Not everything is about you Sypher I know that's hard to believe.SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however, he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
What's wrong with him changing his gear and CP to counter someone? Who wouldn't go into something competitive and think about their opponent how they play and how you are going to counter them? Everything ever that puts two people against each other is based on this system. moves and counter moves, whether that means changing your gear, skills, CP or reacting to a move that they just made. If anything Sabre Ali being able to shut people down before even beginning the fight by changing his build makes him a better player than someone who sticks with the same build no matter the opponent. Structured PVP wouldn't change people from countering...
Nope, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Skilled dueling = Make your build blindly and be thrown into a fight that you have to adapt to with what you have.
Unskilled dueling = Know what you are going up against and bring every possible counter to the table.SleepyTroll wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is why perhaps NA dueling guilds should take the example of what the EU guild did and make it so that skills/CP/gear CANNOT be changed once you have begun your matches. I think this would be the most fair way to do tournaments. There is no reason any player should be able to completely change their gear and CP to counter other players for each matchup.
I agree. I just don't have any passion for dueling anymore and plan to pass lead of the guild to someone who does. Dueling used to be my favorite thing to do in this game. Now, it just reminds me of how much things have changed (for the worse).
If you don't care about Dueling anymore why you bringing all this negativity and salt into this thread... Shouldn't you be going back to begging for gold to do your give aways?
Ooooh, your name makes sense now. Well you should do us all a favor and go to sleep.
I know you are mad because you're no longer relevant Sypher. this isn't 1.5 DK town anymore. So let me get this straight... Skilled dueling is making your build blindly and going into the fight with no knowledge. Who does that? Not you, not anyone else because if they did Saber Ali wouldn't be able to just respect as easy as you said... Maybe you should stop using cookie cutter builds. NO duel is blind in this game if you see a class and what resources they use you know exactly what the duel is going to be like.
I'm irrelevant yet you watch my streams to know about my giveaways.
So.. if people are talking about him enough to where it reached someone who doesn't even watch his streams, doesn't that make him still relevant?
Grats on the win by the way Sabre!
You're right because one guy in zone bitching about how Sypher uses his fans to pay for giveaways and begs for gold during stream really makes him relevant.
Look, I am gonna straight shoot with you here. I dont like Sypher, our history is well documented. I never really have, but we get along well enough. I dont agree with much of what he says, does, or really appreciate ANY of his devout egotard fanboys.
But one thing I can tell you, is the man is relevant as hell, much moreso that I could say for you. Ive never had an argument with him or a disagreement where he didnt have valid counterpoints etc, its just a difference of opinion (i favor group play, he favors 1vX, and certain mechanics changes and stuff like that)
But youre just some guy on a forum babbling on about relevance as if you are any authority on the subject. I at least know who Sypher IS, hell ive fought the guy multiple times. Who are you again?
Relevance arguing had to do with Sypher, not you. Stop white knighting for him I'm sure he can fight his own battles... The rest of the thread I was arguing about dueling while you were blabbering on about how you're the best builder in the game.3 -
Lisbette✭✭✭@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
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✭@Lisbette "I always leave my CP exactly the same."
That's false. Sure, you can TEST different CP combinations on PTS, but testing is different than countering. In the Thieves Guild PTS, I beat Sabre 2 times. He then said something along the lines of, "let's go again blab. I didn't have ele expert."
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✭@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
-Sabre
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✭✭✭@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
-Sabre
I'm not trying to make it personal. I don't blame Sabre, if he didn't change his CP/Gear then props to him.
I'm blaming the game for the state of dueling it is in.
Like I said before Sabre is an excellent dueler, no questions asked. I'm certain he could win tournaments regardless of the rules put in place.
My frustration stems from the game mechanics and changes that have put dueling in a terrible state.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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Lisbette✭✭✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.0 -
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✭@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
-Sabre
I'm not trying to make it personal. I don't blame Sabre, if he didn't change his CP/Gear then props to him.
I'm blaming the game for the state of dueling it is in.
Like I said before Sabre is an excellent dueler, no questions asked. I'm certain he could win tournaments regardless of the rules put in place.
My frustration stems from the game mechanics and changes that have put dueling in a terrible state.
Do you even know what you said in your first post? I think it's past your bedtime.1 -
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✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
-Sabre
I'm not trying to make it personal. I don't blame Sabre, if he didn't change his CP/Gear then props to him.
I'm blaming the game for the state of dueling it is in.
Like I said before Sabre is an excellent dueler, no questions asked. I'm certain he could win tournaments regardless of the rules put in place.
My frustration stems from the game mechanics and changes that have put dueling in a terrible state.
Do you even know what you said in your first post? I think it's past your bedtime.
He has done what I said in the first post plenty of times. It became a reputation I associated him with. You just have to go by his word that he kept his cp the same. I personally believe him and I'm glad he cleared it up, doesn't change the fact that dueling is in a terrible state.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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Lisbette✭✭✭@Lisbette "I always leave my CP exactly the same."
That's false. Sure, you can TEST different CP combinations on PTS, but testing is different than countering. In the Thieves Guild PTS, I beat Sabre 2 times. He then said something along the lines of, "let's go again blab. I didn't have ele expert."
Again like Sabre said he's done that on PTS only. In the tourney tonight he didn't switch gear or CP, how did he do against you @blabafat?
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KennanTheCold✭✭✭@sypher Sabre is having login issues and asked me to post this response:
Sypher I am disappointed in you because I thought we were friends and I didn't expect you to join the jealous haters. For the record, I always wear the Shieldbreaker set even when I'm fighting stamina builds who don't use shields, and I always leave my CP exactly the same. In the tourney my gear and CP were exactly the same for every single match. When I fought you on PTS I was switching CP around because it's a test server where I had a million gold and I was doing just that, testing different builds and abilities. I understand that you got upset when you lost but to try to defame me for it and make up some nonsense about CP switching is pretty low. If there were no rules against it and I was rich I would switch my CP around to my hearts content just to *** everyone off because that's how stupid these make-believe rules are in a silly video game. I appreciate the good sports, there were some great duelers present and I give them my respect.
-Sabre
I'm not trying to make it personal. I don't blame Sabre, if he didn't change his CP/Gear then props to him.
I'm blaming the game for the state of dueling it is in.
Like I said before Sabre is an excellent dueler, no questions asked. I'm certain he could win tournaments regardless of the rules put in place.
My frustration stems from the game mechanics and changes that have put dueling in a terrible state.
So you don't blame him when he says he didn't change cp or gear, but if you thought he would then what? You would come into a thread congratulating him, refuse to do so, and complain about the way he duels, an call it the reason why you don't duel anymore?
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✭✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
So how can you claim that so many people do?
This whole conversation has derailed into personal jabs at each other. Sad honestly.4 -
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✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
You said "pretty much everyone"
I know a great amount of the people who duel on a regular basis. They don't switch cp. You're right, though. I can't always know for sure. However, making the generalization that pretty much everyone switches cp based on his or her opponent is definitely not valid either because you - just like me - can only base your statement around assumptions. Mine is based on constantly dueling players and being around them. To most duelers, switching cp per fight is looked down upon.Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sabre is an excellent dueler, however he completely changes his gear and all his champion points depending who he is going against to completely counter them.
Which is why I don't participate in duels and I'm praying Zenimax puts in an official system for structured PvP.
Until then it's in a terrible state.
This is 80% of why I dont duel anymore, people change their *** around completely based on who is their next oponent, its not real pvp imo, its more syntethic. Its still based on skill, sure, but not the kinda pvp I hold high regard for.
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
You said "pretty much everyone"
I know a great amount of the people who duel on a regular basis. They don't switch cp. You're right, though. I can't always know for sure. However, making the generalization that pretty much everyone switches cp based on his or her opponent is definitely not valid either because you - just like me - can only base your statement around assumptions. Mine is based on constantly dueling players and being around them. To most duelers, switching cp per fight is looked down upon.
So by your logic how do you know that Sabre does it? Becuase Sypher told you?Edited by SleepyTroll on May 23, 2016 7:04AM0 -
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✭@Lisbette He bursted me down really quickly in the tournament. I firmly stated that he didn't switch in the tournament. I simply know that he's switched per individual duel in the past, so I said his statement was false.Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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blabafat✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
You said "pretty much everyone"
I know a great amount of the people who duel on a regular basis. They don't switch cp. You're right, though. I can't always know for sure. However, making the generalization that pretty much everyone switches cp based on his or her opponent is definitely not valid either because you - just like me - can only base your statement around assumptions. Mine is based on constantly dueling players and being around them. To most duelers, switching cp per fight is looked down upon.
So by your logic how do you know that Sabre does it?
Um like I said
He has said lolFire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
You said "pretty much everyone"
I know a great amount of the people who duel on a regular basis. They don't switch cp. You're right, though. I can't always know for sure. However, making the generalization that pretty much everyone switches cp based on his or her opponent is definitely not valid either because you - just like me - can only base your statement around assumptions. Mine is based on constantly dueling players and being around them. To most duelers, switching cp per fight is looked down upon.
So by your logic how do you know that Sabre does it?
Um like I said
He has said lol
Oh ok, my bad, so many posts I missed that top part. Also not Sabres best friend, Just see him around.1 -
Lisbette✭✭✭Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
So how can you claim that so many people do?
This whole conversation has derailed into personal jabs at each other. Sad honestly.
Not taking jabs at anyone @KenaPKK. So how do I know that most people switch up their CP in duels? Simple. Because they can. Because they want to win. It's not cheating. And if they know (or strongly suspect) their opponent is doing it as well then again why wouldn't you? Like Sabre said there's literally no disadvantage to doing it whatsoever. Only an "unspoken" rule of being looked down upon by some. Give me a break.
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blabafat✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Congratulations, Sabre.
As far as I know, he did NOT switch his CP in this tournament. He has switched for individual duels in the past (he has said so himself), but to my knowledge, he kept his CP the same throughout the tournament. He did not switch his gear either. He kept the Fasalla's Guile and Shieldbreaker. Those sets are huge counters to magic builds, but he didn't specifically put them on for this tournament - most of the participants were stamina anyway.
I agree with @Sypher regarding his opinion on CP. I personally think switching your CP to specifically counter a certain person in order to win a duel is cheese. The fact that a different allocation of CP can make or break a duel is lame. As sypher has said in videos/streams, dueling has indeed gone downhill. Player skill is now capped at a certain point, and at that point, factors such as race, build, and CP play a huge role in who is going to win the fight. Skill was the main aspect that determined the winner of duels back in 1.5. With removal of softcaps and addition of CP, that is not the case anymore.
@Lisbette You are completely wrong when you say "pretty much everyone respecs champion points depending on who they are playing." Sabre is the only person I know who does that. I'm 100% sure that others do too(not that many people duel on live), but he's the only one who I have consistently found to do so.
@SleepyTroll Seems like you're either best friends with Sabre or just really hate Sypher. I don't understand why you are attacking him - it is completely irrelevant to the thread.
ok this is Tammy. So @blabafat how would you know if I'm completely wrong? You can't. Because there's no way to tell (or regulate) someone from constantly switching their CP other than their word and the amount of gold they have.
You said "pretty much everyone"
I know a great amount of the people who duel on a regular basis. They don't switch cp. You're right, though. I can't always know for sure. However, making the generalization that pretty much everyone switches cp based on his or her opponent is definitely not valid either because you - just like me - can only base your statement around assumptions. Mine is based on constantly dueling players and being around them. To most duelers, switching cp per fight is looked down upon.
So by your logic how do you know that Sabre does it?
Um like I said
He has said lol
Oh ok, my bad, so many posts I missed that top part. Also not Sabres best friend, Just see him around.
No worriesFire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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