Magicka users who don't use resto/destro staff in PvP and the new poisons on resource management.

Justice31st · May 2016

With the new magicka resource draining poisons, ZOS officially killed your play style for thinking outside the box by choosing to use dual swords and a one hand and shield combo over a resto/destro staff. RIP magicka resource pool. Game was fun when you could make your own builds differently than the masses. Too bad Eric Wrobel was left in charge. @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

flguy147ub17_ESO · May 2016

I think how poisons are implemented it will be horrible.

IcyDeadPeople · May 2016

Can you explain more? Do you mean it's easier to manage your resources with destro staff, or that your attacks will not be applying the poison unless you use ranged weapon?

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · May 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Can you explain more? Do you mean it's easier to manage your resources with destro staff, or that your attacks will not be applying the poison unless you use ranged weapon?

You get back some resources by using medium/heavy attacks, and staffs are the only ones giving back magicka.

W0lf_z13 · May 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Can you explain more? Do you mean it's easier to manage your resources with destro staff, or that your attacks will not be applying the poison unless you use ranged weapon?

u regain magicka from a HA from a resto/destro staff, or potions .... so if you dont run with either a resto or destro staff ull be partially if not fully screwed

Robbmrp · May 2016

Looks like I will be applying poisons to all of my weapons. I D/W on my damage bar and use a Resto to restore magicka. At least I'll be able to poison them while I'm at it!

I bet a bunch of those S/B peeps will be switching out to D/W. They can have 3 different poisons going by D/W and using a Resto Staff. Unless for some idiotic reason you cannot apply Poisons to Staffs, I haven't tried the PTS so I'm not sure about that.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

Well, now you have to choose between having higher defense/damage or having resource management. Sounds fair to me.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · May 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Well, now you have to choose between having higher defense/damage or having resource management. Sounds fair to me.

All the while stamina users get the best of both worlds anyway....

RoamingRiverElk · May 2016

The ones who have to have proper resource management are the ones who aren't zerging. Zerging requires very little resource management (none).

Emma_Overload · May 2016

I wonder if anybody out there is using the Arch Mage set, just so they can get some Magicka back on heavy attacks...

Thelon · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I wonder if anybody out there is using the Arch Mage set, just so they can get some Magicka back on heavy attacks...

@Emma_Eunjung

Nah, just use Energy Overload instead

Rex-Umbra · May 2016

Agree so much for play how you want, why can't light and heavy weapon attack be based on highest stat and restore both stats?

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2016

Might as well start the call for a "no poisons" PvP campaign. Every other change to PvP in the last three patches have been huge buffs to zergs, its not crazy to assume this will be as well.

Epona222 · May 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

Looks like I will be applying poisons to all of my weapons. I D/W on my damage bar and use a Resto to restore magicka. At least I'll be able to poison them while I'm at it!

I bet a bunch of those S/B peeps will be switching out to D/W. They can have 3 different poisons going by D/W and using a Resto Staff. Unless for some idiotic reason you cannot apply Poisons to Staffs, I haven't tried the PTS so I'm not sure about that.

You don't get 3 different poisons by going DW, you get 1 poison slot per weapon BAR, not per equipped weapon. So everyone gets 1 poison slot for their main weapon combo, and 1 poison slot for their back bar, regardless of whether they have 1 or 2 weapons equipped per bar.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

How do you think stamina builds feel? Our resource management already sucks.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Well, now you have to choose between having higher defense/damage or having resource management. Sounds fair to me.

All the while stamina users get the best of both worlds anyway....

Hey we took heavy nerfs to both of our defensive styles rolling and blocking. We loss rolling well cause of us and Mage's with your block casting got blocking put in the ground.

Ashamray · May 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

How do you think stamina builds feel? Our resource management already sucks.

Go redguard.

mr_wazzabi · May 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Agree so much for play how you want, why can't light and heavy weapon attack be based on highest stat and restore both stats?

This would help so much. They should make it happen.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · May 2016

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Agree so much for play how you want, why can't light and heavy weapon attack be based on highest stat and restore both stats?

This would help so much. They should make it happen.

It makes too much sense, Zenimax will never do things that're based on logic xD

Justice31st · May 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Agree so much for play how you want, why can't light and heavy weapon attack be based on highest stat and restore both stats?

^This. With the added poison that drains magicka resources, you killed any build who does not use a resto or destro staff for magicka regen and have made your games "play as you want" style much more limited. @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_MattFiror

susmitds · May 2016

This discussion is pointless. Even when poison debuffed, most magicka builds would have more sustain than unpoisoned stamina builds.

Ashamray · May 2016

Well, using poisons for me as a magicka-based dual wielder is annoying and unpleasant. I'm also a Templar - I can't weave puncturing sweeps with light attacks fast enough. I don't have weapon-based dmg abilities, because DW provides stamina skills only.
However staff users loose their additional spd and 1 set bonus. This is significant. Maybe it's a fair deal. But I just don't like these Poisons and don't like that my class-spec doesn't have any synergy with it.

code65536 · May 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Can you explain more? Do you mean it's easier to manage your resources with destro staff, or that your attacks will not be applying the poison unless you use ranged weapon?

You get back some resources by using medium/heavy attacks, and staffs are the only ones giving back magicka.

You get resources back only from fully-charged heavy attacks. Partially-charged heavies (medium) and incomplete heavy channels do not return magicka.

With respect to poisons, IMHO, resource return isn't as important as poisons proc'ing off of weapon attacks, so if you want to apply poisons from range, then then you're going to need a staff.

And, frankly, I think it's perfectly fine. People have long complained about how staves are not as desirable (at least for PvP--in PvE, a magicka user not using a staff needs to L2P), and now there're more incentives to use staves. This is good.

WillhelmBlack · May 2016

Totally agree, forced to use Resto in DB just to stay alive. Sword and Shield was useless in TG, now it's utterly useless.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Well, now you have to choose between having higher defense/damage or having resource management. Sounds fair to me.

All the while stamina users get the best of both worlds anyway....

Stamblade: shadow cloak 3 times, out of magicka.
Magblade: shadow cloak indefinitely, never run out of magicka.

You were saying?

magictucktuck · May 2016

I though duel wielding on a magicka char was with the masses

Rhaegar75 · May 2016

I haven't read all the notes so could anyone explain what makes Stam builds more desirable (...so I hear....) in the next patch? Or is it the usual hype/panic?

Ep1kMalware · May 2016

Justice31st wrote: »

With the new magicka resource draining poisons, ZOS officially killed your play style for thinking outside the box by choosing to use dual swords and a one hand and shield combo over a resto/destro staff. RIP magicka resource pool. Game was fun when you could make your own builds differently than the masses. Too bad Eric Wrobel was left in charge. @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Hmm. Not sure the whole Dw thing counts as build diversity. Everyone uses it because of the advantages you gain from twin blade and blunt, and the extra set piece. I'm not a huge fan of poisons myself, I guess I shouldn't of expected better.

DannyLV702 · May 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

How do you think stamina builds feel? Our resource management already sucks.

Mine is pretty great. I don't even use siphoning

Digiman · May 2016

I expect poisons to be the meta atleast for this patch. Was going to happen because it's a new mechanic.

Sucks that they crippled hybrid inventiveness.