Official Feedback Thread for Nightblades

genjutsu_kami · May 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worst

actually we got nerfed to .... crit surge. your miss informed and you've insulted me by suggesting i am bias against night blades.....im insulted...... of course I'm not. 4.5% damage reduction was beautiful though great way into the direction to balance.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 1 - 0 bias players

Your simply just wrong.
How dare stamina gets proper morphs to their abilities.
Not giving stamina options was the inbalance.
If your only argument is the damage that a player does now with a Stam morph, then that is a losing argument. Currently, a mag blade can hit the same numbers with soul harvest as a player with incap on ots. Your failure to recognize this establishes your lack of understanding.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Just because Stam sorc did not get buffs does not mean other Stam classes are op.
Additionally, not all classes should have everything. If all classes had a spammable Stam dps, then what would be the point of weapons? I don't think all classes should have a Stam dps ability. Howver, aeach class should have something unique to bring to the Stam class. Stam sorc is really the only one that fails here. I say give Stam sorc mines personally.

KenaPKK · May 2016

Did Soul Harvest, the magicka morph of Death Stroke, need to be nerfed with Incap Strike? Soul Harvest is hardly overperforming on live.......

DDuke · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Then you've clearly got no clue about the class and how it functions.

Rapid Strikes/Bloodthirst>>>"any instant dps class ability" for stamina sorcs - you get literally 5x bigger chance (from 6% to 30%) of proccing Implosion with it and it buffs your DBOS if you use vMSA daggers.

The Bloodthirst morph also provides Vigor level healing per second, making it kind of like Templar Sweeps.

But this is not a stamina sorcerer thread, why are you here?

Jaronking · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worst

actually we got nerfed to .... crit surge. your miss informed and you've insulted me by suggesting i am bias against night blades.....im insulted...... of course I'm not. 4.5% damage reduction was beautiful though great way into the direction to balance.

First every thread about NB you have came into and asked for a Nerf in those threads to the stam Nb class.So yea your obviously biased to the class.Again it wasn't a balanced decision the reduction it was listening to players who really don't know their class.If you think that stam Sorc are underpowered go to those threads and ask for buff and leave these threads alone with your nonsense.

Jaronking · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worst

actually we got nerfed to .... crit surge. your miss informed and you've insulted me by suggesting i am bias against night blades.....im insulted...... of course I'm not. 4.5% damage reduction was beautiful though great way into the direction to balance.

First every thread about NB you have came into and asked for a Nerf in those threads to the stam Nb class.So yea your obviously biased to the class.Again it wasn't a balanced decision the reduction it was listening to players who really don't know their class.If you think that stam Sorc are underpowered go to those threads and ask for buff and leave these threads alone with your nonsense.

lathbury · May 2016

want to buy increased bleed dot damage from haemorrhage passive

luxfreak · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worst

actually we got nerfed to .... crit surge. your miss informed and you've insulted me by suggesting i am bias against night blades.....im insulted...... of course I'm not. 4.5% damage reduction was beautiful though great way into the direction to balance.

Balance? What kind of Balance?
Stam Blades are viable in PVP, excell at One-Shot ganks, and are NOT good at Group/Raid PVE.
Nerfing Incap simply weakens ALL stamblade build around it, while using DBOS will still give you quite some Burst Damage.
Calling the 4.5% nerf beautifull is a very PVP, ganking weak biased POV. You simply hate it, that there is a build that can one shot you, when your not ready.
But that was always the point of Ganking.
And you can One-Shot ppl even without Incap Strike, belive me.
Nerfing Incap Strike is a step Back for Stam Blades in PVE.
Its a Step Back for Stamblades everywhere.
So, and Stam Sorc got nerfed, good joke. Mayby the 2.4.3 Patch was not in your favor, but it does not hit you as hard as us Stam Blades. Most ppl here claimed anyway that they would not use surge anyway, as Virgor and Rally are superior, most stam sorcs i encountered claimed.

DDuke · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

The feedback is simple .....

@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.

@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.

They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)

I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.

From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.

Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).

@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.

Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.

*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).

view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.

well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players

Fixed that for you.

FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted

Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worst

actually we got nerfed to .... crit surge. your miss informed and you've insulted me by suggesting i am bias against night blades.....im insulted...... of course I'm not. 4.5% damage reduction was beautiful though great way into the direction to balance.

Balance? What kind of Balance?
Stam Blades are viable in PVP, excell at One-Shot ganks, and are NOT good at Group/Raid PVE.
Nerfing Incap simply weakens ALL stamblade build around it, while using DBOS will still give you quite some Burst Damage.
Calling the 4.5% nerf beautifull is a very PVP, ganking weak biased POV. You simply hate it, that there is a build that can one shot you, when your not ready.
But that was always the point of Ganking.
And you can One-Shot ppl even without Incap Strike, belive me.
Nerfing Incap Strike is a step Back for Stam Blades in PVE.
Its a Step Back for Stamblades everywhere.
So, and Stam Sorc got nerfed, good joke. Mayby the 2.4.3 Patch was not in your favor, but it does not hit you as hard as us Stam Blades. Most ppl here claimed anyway that they would not use surge anyway, as Virgor and Rally are superior, most stam sorcs i encountered claimed.

Couldn't agree more...

It would be nice to hear what ZOS has in store for us stamina nightblades.

We've had updates for the templar concerns & for the stamina sorcerer concerns here in the forums - but where are all the quality of life changes for NB class? How about the buffs to stamina nightblade PvE DPS? Fixes to broken abilities?

So far we've had only silence and unnecessary nerfs.

Junkogen · May 2016

Why did magicka NB get nothing but a nerf to funnel health? Was that really necessary?

Overall, I'm gettig sick of these constant meta shifts. Every patch the pendulum swings the other way. Magicka sucks again, yay!

LForce · May 2016

I'm completely disgusted with this latest updates notes. It's complete nonsense.

It's OK being hit by a 18k cristal frag casted by a level 22 sorc.

It's OK being destroyed by a range execute ability from ppl staying on top of the walls and hitting you for 15k+.

Let's look how else we can kill NB class because you know they have stealth. Let make it in a way that they only can hide throw a rock on my head and hide again.

ThePonzzz · May 2016

I get, there are a lot of varying opinions coming from all different play styles. NBs typically get a lot of flack due to them being all about burst damage and spamming abilities. There is a very limited arsenal for a stamina NB. Yes, you can learn tactics and do something different. Or you can go with magicka and get a little more tanky/self heal. But the last two major updates (TG and DB) have really took a toll on the stamina NB build. Loss of stamina recovery while stealth and sprinting. Loss of siphoning attacks proc'ing on lasting AoE (caltrops). Loss of power with teleport strike (our main gap closer). Loss of power in our ultimate. Loss of power with self heals.

The class is losing a direction here. The game continually being balanced for max CP or your top 5% player isn't right. The forums, and really, the PTS only represents your highest intensity group of players. The bulk of your player base are casuals. And these sort of changes turn a lot of people off. I don't got time to relearn this game every major update.

Balance is never going to be achievable in PvP with players at varying skill sets. Some players are just good. Some will always suck.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

elven.were_wolf · May 2016

You know, the most annoying thing I would say about every update is that every update you have to respec because your old build is not viable anymore. I wish they would just figure out the right balance for things, then stop nerfing this and that. But I guess they're only human so that isn't intirely possible.

Great not I have to spend 13k gold to respec.

DDuke · May 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Helluin · May 2016

Debilitate, more than Crippling Grasp, converted into stamina, giving stamina back and doing poison or disease damage would add surely some dps.
I don't know if enough to improve the situation, but at least it would add a class DoT to stamina NB, more mobility and some stamina back.

SanTii.92 · May 2016

Helluin wrote: »

Debilitate, more than Crippling Grasp, converted into stamina, giving stamina back and doing poison or disease damage would add surely some dps.
I don't know if enough to improve the situation, but at least it would add a class DoT to stamina NB, more mobility and some stamina back.

That would be pretty fair, particularly because stamblades have little to no use for the entirety of the siphoning tree besides Siphoning Attacks and Catalyst passive which is pretty sad honestly. There isn't enough time to implement it tho.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

DDuke · May 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

SanTii.92 · May 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

No one in their right track will use Incap strike, it gets vastly outperformed by Soul Harvest in Pve and Smiting on Pvp, even before the nerf.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Wait, what? Are you being serious?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

The only area we are outperforming other classes is ganking, and not by a large margin and it's also a fairly useless trait which personally I couldn't care less.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

sAnn92 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

No one in their right track will use Incap strike, it gets vastly outperformed by Soul Harvest in Pve and Smiting on Pvp, even before the nerf.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Wait, what? Are you being serious?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

The only area we are outperforming other classes is ganking, and not by a large margin and it's also a fairly useless trait which personally I couldn't care less.

Well you are simply wring. Incap is still a great ability that have nice passive, low cost, high damage, and 20% increased damage. Each is better in different situations.

And yes I am serious. For instance Dk got poison damage instead of flame. Nb got dis ease instead nifty magic. Yes. It is a similar buff.

To your last poiint, j don't think yulour playing the class right then. High just any single target damage. High susutain. High burst damage. High survivability with cloak and synergies with many other abilities such ad vigor, rally, dodge etc. Highly mobile class with native mobility. Not to mention only class stam based execute and gap closer. I mean really. Do you even play this class?

DDuke · May 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Ok, that confirms it. We are not playing the same game.

I'd like to see you cloak when you have DK DoTs on you - it just doesn't work.

I'd also like to see you outdps DK Wrecking Blows or Bloodthirst with your Surprise Attacks - with the stacking stamina cost you cannot roll dodge all of them.

Also, this game is going to be balanced for 1v1 since we're getting Arenas/BGs & dueling functions soon enough.

I personally don't see the appeal of playing a class that instagibs some poor people from stealth & then runs when faced by a real opponent. Atleast back in the days, it was possible to 1v1 anyone as stamblade and win.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Right... the only downside is that they don't lack resources - people have infinite amount of them in this game. After roll dodging once they've already healed back up from that Incap. And how are you going to CC someone who has just gotten CC immunity from the Incap?

And please stop mentioning cloak - that garbage hasn't worked properly for months. Do you even play a Nightblade?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Yeah, potions are what I've been using - and it's costing me fortunes.

How does it "fit the theme" of stealth class that the "tank" DK class deals more stealth damage?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

Practically speaking, that is what happens all the time to every NB when faced by a good DK.

You crit rush, apply DoT - NB can't cloak anymore - you apply more DoTs, start wrecking blowing - RIP NB.

And it's not just DKs, NBs are basicly free AP for my magicka templar as well because they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever cloaking or bursting me down.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Ok, that confirms it. We are not playing the same game.

I'd like to see you cloak when you have DK DoTs on you - it just doesn't work.

I'd also like to see you outdps DK Wrecking Blows or Bloodthirst with your Surprise Attacks - with the stacking stamina cost you cannot roll dodge all of them.

Also, this game is going to be balanced for 1v1 since we're getting Arenas/BGs & dueling functions soon enough.

I personally don't see the appeal of playing a class that instagibs some poor people from stealth & then runs when faced by a real opponent. Atleast back in the days, it was possible to 1v1 anyone as stamblade and win.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Right... the only downside is that they don't lack resources - people have infinite amount of them in this game. After roll dodging once they've already healed back up from that Incap. And how are you going to CC someone who has just gotten CC immunity from the Incap?

And please stop mentioning cloak - that garbage hasn't worked properly for months. Do you even play a Nightblade?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Yeah, potions are what I've been using - and it's costing me fortunes.

How does it "fit the theme" of stealth class that the "tank" DK class deals more stealth damage?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

Practically speaking, that is what happens all the time to every NB when faced by a good DK.

You crit rush, apply DoT - NB can't cloak anymore - you apply more DoTs, start wrecking blowing - RIP NB.

And it's not just DKs, NBs are basicly free AP for my magicka templar as well because they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever cloaking or bursting me down.

I have nonissue cloaking Dk dots.

Yoh don't have to dodge wb. You can walk through it and dodge it. I also love how you state you can't dodge roll a ton because of stacking and then in your next point you tall about how people can't dodge roll forever because of stacking cost. Hmmm. Do you even know which argument you want to make?

I don't know your issue with cloak, but outside if lotus fan on live I have no issue.

It really sounds like you have a l2p issue with incap in all honesty. You are mentioning rare instances in which landing it can be an issue. But that is true of multiple ultimates. Most of the time the ability hits and I can continue hitting the other player.

Yes I plain a nb. In fact I would venture to guess that I am in top 5% in ezo of hours played on my.nb. pretty sure I'm closing in on 3000 hours.

Ya, potions can be expensive. I use them a ton myself. Part of the game. Stat grinding your own mats then. How dare you have to work for something.

Last, if you die that quicklyand to the same combo over and over than it is a l2p issue. Additionally, although I have no problem with cloak, if there are confirmed issues outside of speculation, than report them because buffing a class based on a broken ability is dumb.

DDuke · May 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Ok, that confirms it. We are not playing the same game.

I'd like to see you cloak when you have DK DoTs on you - it just doesn't work.

I'd also like to see you outdps DK Wrecking Blows or Bloodthirst with your Surprise Attacks - with the stacking stamina cost you cannot roll dodge all of them.

Also, this game is going to be balanced for 1v1 since we're getting Arenas/BGs & dueling functions soon enough.

I personally don't see the appeal of playing a class that instagibs some poor people from stealth & then runs when faced by a real opponent. Atleast back in the days, it was possible to 1v1 anyone as stamblade and win.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Right... the only downside is that they don't lack resources - people have infinite amount of them in this game. After roll dodging once they've already healed back up from that Incap. And how are you going to CC someone who has just gotten CC immunity from the Incap?

And please stop mentioning cloak - that garbage hasn't worked properly for months. Do you even play a Nightblade?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Yeah, potions are what I've been using - and it's costing me fortunes.

How does it "fit the theme" of stealth class that the "tank" DK class deals more stealth damage?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

Practically speaking, that is what happens all the time to every NB when faced by a good DK.

You crit rush, apply DoT - NB can't cloak anymore - you apply more DoTs, start wrecking blowing - RIP NB.

And it's not just DKs, NBs are basicly free AP for my magicka templar as well because they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever cloaking or bursting me down.

I have nonissue cloaking Dk dots.

Yoh don't have to dodge wb. You can walk through it and dodge it. I also love how you state you can't dodge roll a ton because of stacking and then in your next point you tall about how people can't dodge roll forever because of stacking cost. Hmmm. Do you even know which argument you want to make?

I don't know your issue with cloak, but outside if lotus fan on live I have no issue.

It really sounds like you have a l2p issue with incap in all honesty. You are mentioning rare instances in which landing it can be an issue. But that is true of multiple ultimates. Most of the time the ability hits and I can continue hitting the other player.

Yes I plain a nb. In fact I would venture to guess that I am in top 5% in ezo of hours played on my.nb. pretty sure I'm closing in on 3000 hours.

Ya, potions can be expensive. I use them a ton myself. Part of the game. Stat grinding your own mats then. How dare you have to work for something.

Last, if you die that quicklyand to the same combo over and over than it is a l2p issue. Additionally, although I have no problem with cloak, if there are confirmed issues outside of speculation, than report them because buffing a class based on a broken ability is dumb.

Well, keep an eye out because I'm going to record a video tomorrow of all the billion different cloak issues & I'll upload it here on forums in vain hope that it some day gets fixed (again).

Or maybe you'd like to post a video of your own of you cloaking with 4+ DoTs on you & maybe a couple bleeds/poison injection on opponent?

Also it's funny how you "plain" a Nightblade but apparently aren't aware that they are the 2nd lowest DPS in PvE at the moment, and there has never been a stamina Nightblade dueling tournament winner.

When you find a NB who can kill my magicka templar or a stam DK of my choosing, let me know. I will uninstall my game and post a video on youtube of that.

I'd be playing my stamina nightblade right now instead of magicka templar, if it wasn't the weakest class (not counting stam sorcs) in PvP. In fact, bring your "3000 hours played" Nightblade and fight my templar - I'll do that if you even get me below 30% health.

Sorry, but you sound just like one of those people who got ganked at Alessia bridge and now think NBs are the most op class in the game - when all they actually do well is ganking.

There's a lot more wrong with the class than just the main defensive skill of the class being broken.

bowmanz607 · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Ok, that confirms it. We are not playing the same game.

I'd like to see you cloak when you have DK DoTs on you - it just doesn't work.

I'd also like to see you outdps DK Wrecking Blows or Bloodthirst with your Surprise Attacks - with the stacking stamina cost you cannot roll dodge all of them.

Also, this game is going to be balanced for 1v1 since we're getting Arenas/BGs & dueling functions soon enough.

I personally don't see the appeal of playing a class that instagibs some poor people from stealth & then runs when faced by a real opponent. Atleast back in the days, it was possible to 1v1 anyone as stamblade and win.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Right... the only downside is that they don't lack resources - people have infinite amount of them in this game. After roll dodging once they've already healed back up from that Incap. And how are you going to CC someone who has just gotten CC immunity from the Incap?

And please stop mentioning cloak - that garbage hasn't worked properly for months. Do you even play a Nightblade?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Yeah, potions are what I've been using - and it's costing me fortunes.

How does it "fit the theme" of stealth class that the "tank" DK class deals more stealth damage?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

Practically speaking, that is what happens all the time to every NB when faced by a good DK.

You crit rush, apply DoT - NB can't cloak anymore - you apply more DoTs, start wrecking blowing - RIP NB.

And it's not just DKs, NBs are basicly free AP for my magicka templar as well because they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever cloaking or bursting me down.

I have nonissue cloaking Dk dots.

Yoh don't have to dodge wb. You can walk through it and dodge it. I also love how you state you can't dodge roll a ton because of stacking and then in your next point you tall about how people can't dodge roll forever because of stacking cost. Hmmm. Do you even know which argument you want to make?

I don't know your issue with cloak, but outside if lotus fan on live I have no issue.

It really sounds like you have a l2p issue with incap in all honesty. You are mentioning rare instances in which landing it can be an issue. But that is true of multiple ultimates. Most of the time the ability hits and I can continue hitting the other player.

Yes I plain a nb. In fact I would venture to guess that I am in top 5% in ezo of hours played on my.nb. pretty sure I'm closing in on 3000 hours.

Ya, potions can be expensive. I use them a ton myself. Part of the game. Stat grinding your own mats then. How dare you have to work for something.

Last, if you die that quicklyand to the same combo over and over than it is a l2p issue. Additionally, although I have no problem with cloak, if there are confirmed issues outside of speculation, than report them because buffing a class based on a broken ability is dumb.

Well, keep an eye out because I'm going to record a video tomorrow of all the billion different cloak issues & I'll upload it here on forums in vain hope that it some day gets fixed (again).

Or maybe you'd like to post a video of your own of you cloaking with 4+ DoTs on you & maybe a couple bleeds/poison injection on opponent?

Also it's funny how you "plain" a Nightblade but apparently aren't aware that they are the 2nd lowest DPS in PvE at the moment, and there has never been a stamina Nightblade dueling tournament winner.

When you find a NB who can kill my magicka templar or a stam DK of my choosing, let me know. I will uninstall my game and post a video on youtube of that.

I'd be playing my stamina nightblade right now instead of magicka templar, if it wasn't the weakest class (not counting stam sorcs) in PvP. In fact, bring your "3000 hours played" Nightblade and fight my templar - I'll do that if you even get me below 30% health.

Sorry, but you sound just like one of those people who got ganked at Alessia bridge and now think NBs are the most op class in the game - when all they actually do well is ganking.

There's a lot more wrong with the class than just the main defensive skill of the class being broken.

please do.

i think our discussion is over. dont like talking to people who start argueing things like im butt hurt from getting ganked or the typical you must play/not play this class and want it nerf/buffed. those are dumb arguments. please feel free to think what you want. it is simply wrong.

we have obviously had different experiences.

HuawaSepp · May 2016

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You guys realize that Stam nb got a bunch of ability changes right? Power extraction, killers blade, incap strike, grim focus. Where is this nonsense come from that all of a sudden Stam nb is getting ignored or nerfed? Because incap strike and releport strike changes? You guys realize that the damage reduction is very minimal right? If you did say 10k damage with it before patch, then now you do 9.5k. It really is not that bad.

Also, this nonsense about meta shift from mag to stam. What crap. Mag is still very viable. This patch focused on stam because it was needed. This update puts stam and mag back on part with one anither. This is the most balanced patch since 1.5. This theory that mag is some how crap now is complete rubbish.

When every other stamina build in the game gets buffed more than you, does any of that matter?

Power Extraction is still not worth slotting, cloak is still broken, we still have no Major Brutality we can cast from stealth without 2H weapon, Incap wasn't worth slotting over DBOS even before nerf & now Ambush (yeah, the notorious instagib skill...) got nerfed for no reason.

But I guess we're being buffed, yay...

Meanwhile: DKs deal 25% more damage, Stamplars got access to burst damage & a big DPS boost to their main damaging ability, Stam sorcs deal like 2x more damage than before & got a cloak counter with Hurricane.

Nb didn't need a bunch of buffs. They were already in a good spot.

I must assume you don't do many duels & focus on ganking (in which stamblades are still very good at).

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I completely disagree the incap strike is not worth slotting over db. It completely depends on what you are trying to accomplish. The recent nerf 8s nominal but people blow it out of proportion. Say you did 10k damage, now you do 9.5k. If you did 15k you do roughly 14.3k now. It really is not that big of a deal. Imo, it just gets people who look at it on paper to stop crying nerf.

Single target dodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish more damage & leaves a 30% heal debuff & +20% damage taken debuff for 6 seconds, during which your opponent can just dodge
vs
AoE undodgeable ultimate that deals 1,8k'ish less damage & leaves a DoT which equals to 100% heal debuff. A DoT that will kill you even if you keep dodging.

50 or 100 Ultimate, it doesn't really matter at that point when the other option is so much better.

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Really, because you can't cast major brutality in stealth your mad? Get over yourself. You have a way to do it. If you want to use 2h. But no, let's make everything the same.

I guess you're a 2H user then. Cool.

Not everyone wants to play the "stealthy assassin" class & use a big 2H weapon.

And how does it make sense that the stealth class is the only one that can't buff its dmg while stealthed? Logic=zero.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Power extraction is good for particular builds now. It was never good before. For instance, 2h and 1h/she set uo now have a viable aoe. Also, Now it hits like steel tornado when not in execute range.

Ok, so you use 2H - fine.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dk got a similar buff to nb in that damage new scales from mighty. Also, Dk is weaker in other areas. Dk thrive more at aoe where nb thrives more at single target.

Do we play the same game?

Stamina DKs deal twice the damage of stamina NBs. Single target. Their DoTs alone are enough to outheal your Vigor/Rally.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The changes to temp and sorcs were needed. In fact sorcs still needs work.

Why buff a class that is already performing well? That is crazy. You are not being objective in your observations and clearly have not done enough testing of the changes. Sounds like you simply read patch notes and the forum posts.

Yes, sorcs needed buffs - Templars needed some help too to catch DKs (who unfortunately got buffed the most, so they didn't really catch the DKs).

And yes, I've tested things extensively on PTS. Have you?

Go duel a good stamina DK or Templar in PTS and tell me Nightblades are fine.
Sorcs you might still beat, because they don't have Major Mending or instaheals to outheal all your damage.

I play every single playstyle. I stopped dueling because dueling is currently broken and a cheese fest. Of course I have on pts cause it really is the only way to test things on there. Additionally, this game is not balanced around duels. And ya, Dk has string dots. That is where they will thrive. A nb can cloak dot damage. Not to mention there is a champ star to reduce damage. Also, a nb has the best instant cast DPS ability in game. Dk lacks in this area having to really on attacks such as wb and rapid strike which can be easily avoided.

Ok, that confirms it. We are not playing the same game.

I'd like to see you cloak when you have DK DoTs on you - it just doesn't work.

I'd also like to see you outdps DK Wrecking Blows or Bloodthirst with your Surprise Attacks - with the stacking stamina cost you cannot roll dodge all of them.

Also, this game is going to be balanced for 1v1 since we're getting Arenas/BGs & dueling functions soon enough.

I personally don't see the appeal of playing a class that instagibs some poor people from stealth & then runs when faced by a real opponent. Atleast back in the days, it was possible to 1v1 anyone as stamblade and win.

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Db is dodge able so ya. Additionally, not many people will dodgeroll for 6 seconds after incap. Even if they do they I will still kill them because a lack of reasources. Plus, a mag build won't be doing that. Plus, you can cc them too. Not to mention the dot damage can be purged and cloak. So, many players will do just that because it is best to go on the defensive when hit with db. Last, the 50/ 100 ult does matter. A player will be able to use their ult more often which will result in more DPS overall.

Right... the only downside is that they don't lack resources - people have infinite amount of them in this game. After roll dodging once they've already healed back up from that Incap. And how are you going to CC someone who has just gotten CC immunity from the Incap?

And please stop mentioning cloak - that garbage hasn't worked properly for months. Do you even play a Nightblade?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Ya I use 2h as well as other builds. Plus nb can buff damage while stealth. For one bonus damage from stealth and nb has grim focus to buff damage. Plus u can use a potion if you like. I don't think class should have it all. You should be forced to move outside your class for things. Not to mention, many nb skills rely on attacking and killing to get benefits. So having to attack to get major brutality on the class fits the theme.

Yeah, potions are what I've been using - and it's costing me fortunes.

How does it "fit the theme" of stealth class that the "tank" DK class deals more stealth damage?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Again a Dk single target rely on cast time ability and dots. Nb rely on unstant. So a Dk rely more on sustained damage which can be mitigated in multiple ways where a nb is quick and fast. 2 different plays tyle altogether. Ya theoretically a Dk will do more damage if every dot was applied and was hitting with wb or rapid. However, that is not a practiCal application. Practically speaking that is not typically going to happen against a competent player.

Practically speaking, that is what happens all the time to every NB when faced by a good DK.

You crit rush, apply DoT - NB can't cloak anymore - you apply more DoTs, start wrecking blowing - RIP NB.

And it's not just DKs, NBs are basicly free AP for my magicka templar as well because they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever cloaking or bursting me down.

I have nonissue cloaking Dk dots.

Yoh don't have to dodge wb. You can walk through it and dodge it. I also love how you state you can't dodge roll a ton because of stacking and then in your next point you tall about how people can't dodge roll forever because of stacking cost. Hmmm. Do you even know which argument you want to make?

I don't know your issue with cloak, but outside if lotus fan on live I have no issue.

It really sounds like you have a l2p issue with incap in all honesty. You are mentioning rare instances in which landing it can be an issue. But that is true of multiple ultimates. Most of the time the ability hits and I can continue hitting the other player.

Yes I plain a nb. In fact I would venture to guess that I am in top 5% in ezo of hours played on my.nb. pretty sure I'm closing in on 3000 hours.

Ya, potions can be expensive. I use them a ton myself. Part of the game. Stat grinding your own mats then. How dare you have to work for something.

Last, if you die that quicklyand to the same combo over and over than it is a l2p issue. Additionally, although I have no problem with cloak, if there are confirmed issues outside of speculation, than report them because buffing a class based on a broken ability is dumb.

Well, keep an eye out because I'm going to record a video tomorrow of all the billion different cloak issues & I'll upload it here on forums in vain hope that it some day gets fixed (again).

Or maybe you'd like to post a video of your own of you cloaking with 4+ DoTs on you & maybe a couple bleeds/poison injection on opponent?

Also it's funny how you "plain" a Nightblade but apparently aren't aware that they are the 2nd lowest DPS in PvE at the moment, and there has never been a stamina Nightblade dueling tournament winner.

When you find a NB who can kill my magicka templar or a stam DK of my choosing, let me know. I will uninstall my game and post a video on youtube of that.

I'd be playing my stamina nightblade right now instead of magicka templar, if it wasn't the weakest class (not counting stam sorcs) in PvP. In fact, bring your "3000 hours played" Nightblade and fight my templar - I'll do that if you even get me below 30% health.

Sorry, but you sound just like one of those people who got ganked at Alessia bridge and now think NBs are the most op class in the game - when all they actually do well is ganking.

There's a lot more wrong with the class than just the main defensive skill of the class being broken.

please do.

i think our discussion is over. dont like talking to people who start argueing things like im butt hurt from getting ganked or the typical you must play/not play this class and want it nerf/buffed. those are dumb arguments. please feel free to think what you want. it is simply wrong.

we have obviously had different experiences.

So he gets ganked by a Stamblade at Alessia Bridge while trying to gank someone with his Stamblade at Alessia Bridge.

It's not difficult math to say that Stamblades are laking in single target dps.

Jaronking · May 2016

So I was thinking Power extraction is kinda weak and does less then sap essence.Sap essence heals you generate ultimate and and give major sorcery.I think Power extraction should also heals you or something like a snare or a dot would give the ability something cool.

Elevenstorm · May 2016

So, now that some of our burst has been nerfed Into the ground @Wrobel is it possible to buff stamblades sustained damage i.e. fights longer then 4 min. We do not want to be cloaking dk's. But their synergy with the vma dagger/axe is undoubtedly op as they have a class based single target dot. This is what dk's are DOT machines! This combined with the effectiveness of Flurry in the new update really puts them over the edge. Now, I know that Nightblades do not need any MORE burst. The tears would never end in cyrodil. One option is to give stamblades a single target dot (cripple). As well as adding a second component to Surprise attack that buffs long term dps. There was an idea posted to give suprise attack a bleed based component. This would help as long as it does not suffer the same problems as the axe bleed from patches ago with being overwritten before any damage ticked. What i propose is this.

Cripple has a stam morph that does disease damage.
Cripple also debuffs the target to take additional damage from disease.
or Assassins scourge debuffs target on hit to take additional damage from disease.
Suprise attack does disease damage now or stays physical and applies a disease dot.

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