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Official Feedback Thread for Nightblades
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✭✭✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »please just lower the damage output stam night blades have it is over performing especialy from stealth. the ultimate for god sake may as well be an ability its so cheap, and no you want to buff it. my god. there was even a post of a picture on how many buffs night blades have compared to other classes this is excluding race passives and again it outshines every other class in the game.
just bring the damage down, i don't care about all the buffs they have that will be bareable if you tone the damage right down.
12k concealed weapon crits is a joke and on khajits its higher..... come on just tone it down, they can keep their major, minor whatever just tone the damage down from an instant dps ability and the ultimate! please just sort that out or atleast increase the ultimate cost.
I think you are talking Magicka NBs. Concealed Weapon is a magicka ability. Khajiit passive does not increase crit damage. And it is not an ultimate. And all the classes have access to more or less equal number of buffs. The picture is made by somebody with an anti-nightblade propaganda, as he repeated the buffs multiple times. And ultimates don't do extra cabbage from stealth. I don't have any clue where you are getting your facts from but base your facts around the game.Edited by susmitds on May 14, 2016 3:35PM4 -
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That's perfectly find but no its a passive in the siphon tree changing that to Stamina and magica would be cool.Plus this the NB feedback thread why would we be talking about sorcs lol.elven.were_wolf wrote: »
I think your in the wrong thread buddy.elven.were_wolf wrote: »
My mistake! I thought magika flood was for the sorc class. I'll need to do more research.0 -
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Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.3 -
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It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
You have no idea how bad the Stamblades' PvE situation is. Stamblades spend a lot more stamina than other class for the same amount of damage as damage/cost is higher for instant abilities than channel or DoTs. And Stamblades have no native class based defence or healing that is useful in PvE so they depend on dodging a lot.
@Gilliamtherogue He has the highest reported stamina nightblade vMA score till now. I think you will understand it if you read his stamina nightblade posts. Also Deltia compared MagNB and StamNB both on equivalent damage based gear, side by side in a video after TG patch. He specifically showed how the stamblade was out of stamina every few seconds, while the magblade hardly ever dropped below half magicka.
The point, yes, everything is doable. But the issue is that Stamblades can not compete with other classes in end game PvE and generally considered a waste in trial groups, whatever Stamblades do, every other class can do it better.Edited by susmitds on May 15, 2016 8:06AM4 -
elven.were_wolf✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
You have no idea how bad the Stamblades' PvE situation is. Stamblades spend a lot more stamina than other class for the same amount of damage as damage/cost is higher for instant abilities than channel or DoTs. And Stamblades have no native class based defence or healing that is useful in PvE so they depend on dodging a lot.
@Gilliamtherogue He has the highest reported stamina nightblade vMA score till now. I think you will understand it if you read his stamina nightblade posts. Also Deltia compared MagNB and StamNB both on equivalent damage based gear, side by side in a video after TG patch. He specifically showed how the stamblade was out of stamina every few seconds, while the magblade hardly ever dropped below half magicka.
The point, yes, everything is doable. But the issue is that Stamblades can not compete with other classes in end game PvE and generally considered a waste in trial groups, whatever Stamblades do, every other class can do it better.
I absolutely agree! My main character is a bosmer stamblade and even after all this time playing her and all of the stam regeneration, I'm never able to compete with magicka nightblades or magicka templars in PvE. I'm not the best player but I always notice templars being in the top of the leader baords in PvE trails and vMA.Achievement hunter and secret admirer of Naryu Virian.0 -
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✭✭Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.Edited by KenaPKK on May 15, 2016 12:46PMKena
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Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
You have no idea how bad the Stamblades' PvE situation is. Stamblades spend a lot more stamina than other class for the same amount of damage as damage/cost is higher for instant abilities than channel or DoTs. And Stamblades have no native class based defence or healing that is useful in PvE so they depend on dodging a lot.
@Gilliamtherogue He has the highest reported stamina nightblade vMA score till now. I think you will understand it if you read his stamina nightblade posts. Also Deltia compared MagNB and StamNB both on equivalent damage based gear, side by side in a video after TG patch. He specifically showed how the stamblade was out of stamina every few seconds, while the magblade hardly ever dropped below half magicka.
The point, yes, everything is doable. But the issue is that Stamblades can not compete with other classes in end game PvE and generally considered a waste in trial groups, whatever Stamblades do, every other class can do it better.
What gear sets are you running, and are you running food or drink?
A magicka nightblade running Julianos, Nerien'eth / Kena, food, a damage mundus, and max dps skill bars will definitely run out of magicka during a fight. And they'll usually run low rather quickly.
This comes from a guy who's played stam and magicka NB in all roles at the top level of PvE and PvP.
Next to no sustain is next to no sustain. If you run the equilevant to the above, being Hunding's + food + Thied or whatever, then you'll have the same exact sustain issues as a magicka NB.
Stick Siphon Attacks on your bar, use a regen or cost reduction glyph if you have to, run Relentless, and pick up shards. Once you get used to managing resources, you'll be fine with the low regen for PvE encounters.
As for vMA, which you mentioned specifically, more self-sufficient builds with a bit higher sustain do best there. This is why PvPers were the first to complete and do well in Maelstrom -- well-rounded builds excel there.Edited by KenaPKK on May 15, 2016 12:55PMKena
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Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.
A guildy mentioned it to me last night. He said that Death Stroke and both morphs are taking a 10% damage nerf in the next PTS patch. I have not confirmed it, so I came here looking for answers and to get my message in front of ZOS asap just in case.
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Really I hope this is only a rumor because nerfing this ability doesn't make sense its a single target Ultimate it should hit hard.Also why change it now magic builds been able to hit hard with it since CP was introduce why change it now when Stam builds can as well.
Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.
A guildy mentioned it to me last night. He said that Death Stroke and both morphs are taking a 10% damage nerf in the next PTS patch. I have not confirmed it, so I came here looking for answers and to get my message in front of ZOS asap just in case.0 -
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Really I hope this is only a rumor because nerfing this ability doesn't make sense its a single target Ultimate it should hit hard.Also why change it now magic builds been able to hit hard with it since CP was introduce why change it now when Stam builds can as well.
Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.
A guildy mentioned it to me last night. He said that Death Stroke and both morphs are taking a 10% damage nerf in the next PTS patch. I have not confirmed it, so I came here looking for answers and to get my message in front of ZOS asap just in case.
Quoted from Incap Strike thread:
He names Death Stroke (unmorphed version) and not Incapaciting Strike, kinda implies both morphs will get nerfed. Better this way than nothing being done I guess.Thanks for all the feedback! Just a heads up that we’re continuing to keep an eye on the effectiveness of this ability, and Death Stroke in general. 50 ultimate is definitely a fantastic deal for the burst potential this ability affords. We will continue to evaluate Death Stroke's strength during this testing cycle.~retired~
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rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
Erondil Sorc AD, AvA 23
Denne the Banana Slayer NB EP, AvA 14
Darth Dennegor lv50 Stamina NB DC, AvA 19
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Really I hope this is only a rumor because nerfing this ability doesn't make sense its a single target Ultimate it should hit hard.Also why change it now magic builds been able to hit hard with it since CP was introduce why change it now when Stam builds can as well.
Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.
A guildy mentioned it to me last night. He said that Death Stroke and both morphs are taking a 10% damage nerf in the next PTS patch. I have not confirmed it, so I came here looking for answers and to get my message in front of ZOS asap just in case.
Quoted from Incap Strike thread:
He names Death Stroke (unmorphed version) and not Incapaciting Strike, kinda implies both morphs will get nerfed. Better this way than nothing being done I guess.Thanks for all the feedback! Just a heads up that we’re continuing to keep an eye on the effectiveness of this ability, and Death Stroke in general. 50 ultimate is definitely a fantastic deal for the burst potential this ability affords. We will continue to evaluate Death Stroke's strength during this testing cycle.
Nothing will change I believe. ZoS never changed an ability based on its performance on such a short scale. Otherwise Radiant Oppression would have nerfed by now.0 -
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Really I hope this is only a rumor because nerfing this ability doesn't make sense its a single target Ultimate it should hit hard.Also why change it now magic builds been able to hit hard with it since CP was introduce why change it now when Stam builds can as well.
Wait where did you hear this from @KenaPKK ?Did I hear that Soul Harvest is taking a damage nerf with Incapacitating strike?
Soul Harvest and other magicka nightblade abilities are not overperforming.
If stam nightblades and their stam abilities such as Incap Strike are overperforming, then nerf the stam variants, not both.
And if stam NB is suddenly overperforming when it was borderline underpowered prior to the DB patch (except for stealth ganking, where every class can be op, and where stam DK is king), then isn't the problem outside of the class? If making stamplade's ult scale with CP like magicka nightblade's already does suddenly makes stamblade OP, then the op component isn't in the skill itself. You need to check all of the bonus weapon damage buffs that stam is getting.
I am a cloakless, proxiless stam and magicka nightblade player who promotes balance and objectivity in balance decisions.
A guildy mentioned it to me last night. He said that Death Stroke and both morphs are taking a 10% damage nerf in the next PTS patch. I have not confirmed it, so I came here looking for answers and to get my message in front of ZOS asap just in case.
Quoted from Incap Strike thread:
He names Death Stroke (unmorphed version) and not Incapaciting Strike, kinda implies both morphs will get nerfed. Better this way than nothing being done I guess.Thanks for all the feedback! Just a heads up that we’re continuing to keep an eye on the effectiveness of this ability, and Death Stroke in general. 50 ultimate is definitely a fantastic deal for the burst potential this ability affords. We will continue to evaluate Death Stroke's strength during this testing cycle.
Denne, if they nerf Incap - everyone will just run DBOS & do pretty much the same thing Incap did (except this time, undodgeable)
I read your complaints about the ulti a couple weeks ago & I agreed that the skill did a few too many things at once (stun, big dmg, heal debuff, +20% dmg taken) at a very cheap cost - but after testing things in PTS, how is DBOS any different?
Only 2k less undodgeable burst dmg than Incap with crits, no heal debuff but instead a DoT that out damages all heals, no +20% dmg taken, but instead that DoT will keep doing full damage even if target starts dodging or blocking. Ulti cost between 75-100. Oh, and it's AoE.
People will just migrate to that instead if Incap gets nerfed (it's already a very close call between the two).Edited by DDuke on May 15, 2016 2:29PM0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.5 -
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genjutsu_kami✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
You have no idea how bad the Stamblades' PvE situation is. Stamblades spend a lot more stamina than other class for the same amount of damage as damage/cost is higher for instant abilities than channel or DoTs. And Stamblades have no native class based defence or healing that is useful in PvE so they depend on dodging a lot.
@Gilliamtherogue He has the highest reported stamina nightblade vMA score till now. I think you will understand it if you read his stamina nightblade posts. Also Deltia compared MagNB and StamNB both on equivalent damage based gear, side by side in a video after TG patch. He specifically showed how the stamblade was out of stamina every few seconds, while the magblade hardly ever dropped below half magicka.
The point, yes, everything is doable. But the issue is that Stamblades can not compete with other classes in end game PvE and generally considered a waste in trial groups, whatever Stamblades do, every other class can do it better.
What gear sets are you running, and are you running food or drink?
A magicka nightblade running Julianos, Nerien'eth / Kena, food, a damage mundus, and max dps skill bars will definitely run out of magicka during a fight. And they'll usually run low rather quickly.
This comes from a guy who's played stam and magicka NB in all roles at the top level of PvE and PvP.
Next to no sustain is next to no sustain. If you run the equilevant to the above, being Hunding's + food + Thied or whatever, then you'll have the same exact sustain issues as a magicka NB.
Stick Siphon Attacks on your bar, use a regen or cost reduction glyph if you have to, run Relentless, and pick up shards. Once you get used to managing resources, you'll be fine with the low regen for PvE encounters.
As for vMA, which you mentioned specifically, more self-sufficient builds with a bit higher sustain do best there. This is why PvPers were the first to complete and do well in Maelstrom -- well-rounded builds excel there.
loooooool yet i see youtube clips of stam night blades completing malestrom arena veteran mode with ease the hardest PVE content by a mile, tell me again where you are lacking......indulge me please0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's still pretty fine. The caltrops proccing was ridiculous anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Try Siphoning Attacks.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Templars have these spears which supply you with endless Stamina.Lava_Croft wrote: »If you are a Stamina Nightblade and you have trouble with maintaining your Stamina resource, you are doing it wrong.
We were talking about PvE. And StamNBs are bottom tier in PvE.
Why should stamina nightblades have to depend on another class to be viable in PvE when all other class are self dependant enough?
This is one of the reason no competitive group ever takes a Stamina Nightblade in trials.
Siphoning attacks was fine till it got nerfed.
You have no idea how bad the Stamblades' PvE situation is. Stamblades spend a lot more stamina than other class for the same amount of damage as damage/cost is higher for instant abilities than channel or DoTs. And Stamblades have no native class based defence or healing that is useful in PvE so they depend on dodging a lot.
@Gilliamtherogue He has the highest reported stamina nightblade vMA score till now. I think you will understand it if you read his stamina nightblade posts. Also Deltia compared MagNB and StamNB both on equivalent damage based gear, side by side in a video after TG patch. He specifically showed how the stamblade was out of stamina every few seconds, while the magblade hardly ever dropped below half magicka.
The point, yes, everything is doable. But the issue is that Stamblades can not compete with other classes in end game PvE and generally considered a waste in trial groups, whatever Stamblades do, every other class can do it better.
What gear sets are you running, and are you running food or drink?
A magicka nightblade running Julianos, Nerien'eth / Kena, food, a damage mundus, and max dps skill bars will definitely run out of magicka during a fight. And they'll usually run low rather quickly.
This comes from a guy who's played stam and magicka NB in all roles at the top level of PvE and PvP.
Next to no sustain is next to no sustain. If you run the equilevant to the above, being Hunding's + food + Thied or whatever, then you'll have the same exact sustain issues as a magicka NB.
Stick Siphon Attacks on your bar, use a regen or cost reduction glyph if you have to, run Relentless, and pick up shards. Once you get used to managing resources, you'll be fine with the low regen for PvE encounters.
As for vMA, which you mentioned specifically, more self-sufficient builds with a bit higher sustain do best there. This is why PvPers were the first to complete and do well in Maelstrom -- well-rounded builds excel there.
loooooool yet i see youtube clips of stam night blades completing malestrom arena veteran mode with ease the hardest PVE content by a mile, tell me again where you are lacking......indulge me please
May be you should consult the player @Gilliamtherogue who has the highest vMA score till date then? He will explain the shortcomings of Stamina NB to you.
As for the number of buffs Stamblades have, if you count them all, you will realize that they are the same as the other classes. And Stamblades are the only class that don't have any class defense or class heal.Edited by susmitds on May 15, 2016 7:04PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
Yeah, dont waste time with him. Pretty much nothing you say will convince him, he's already set his mind and knows everything because a nightblade ganked him once at Alessia bridge.Edited by DDuke on May 15, 2016 7:04PM6 -
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✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).
view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.2 -
Elevenstorm✭✭✭@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno
Please give us a stamina morph of Cripple. This will not give us more burst which won't affect PVP but will help us to gain some traction on StamDK's and their PvE prowess.2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well, what can I say...
I don't really see why you're nerfing the weakest 1v1 class in the game.
Maybe instead of simply nerfing, you should help the survival aspects of the class - which are severely lacking at the moment compared to every other class.
Also a lot of QoL changes are required to make nightblade a more enjoyable class.
Why does nothing happen when I press my Shadow Image button for 2nd time? It should grey out if it's out of range.
Why do I have to recast Grim Focus again after landing Assassin's Will? It's extremely clunky.
For comparison, DKs can just hit the Burning Embers skill for the heal before it ends & it refreshes the duration.
I will test cloak (once again) to see if it's fixed after this latest update - but now that we've been nerfed (of all things), it'd be nice to hear if there is any positive changes coming for the Nightblade class, @Wrobel & what the thought process was on nerfing Death Stroke and Teleport Strike.0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).
view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.
well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 1 - 0 bias players0 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Fixed that for you.genjutsu_kami wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).
view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.
well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭
Fixed that for you.genjutsu_kami wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).
view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.
well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players
FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted0 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Its obvious you don't care about class balances and only want the class Nerf even more.So yes I fixed you post for you bias players like your self who really don't know how to play the game or how the class work won instead of being given a balanced update.So yes while Stam Sorc got nothing the NB Nerf is worst since it doesn't bring balance to either classes just made both worstgenjutsu_kami wrote: »
Fixed that for you.genjutsu_kami wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »The feedback is simple .....
@Jules made a brilliant statement on how night blades are OP in one picture.
and quite frankly it is baffling how much buffs a night blade has, not to mention the burst efficiency they have.
@Wrobel buffing incapacitating strike was I feel a stretch to far, now it stuns at all times and has a very low cost, essential an ability that can be spammed, in terms of class balance night blades have more buffs than any other class. There instant DPS concealed weapon and surprise attack is potentially the best single target DPS ability in the game in terms of PVP situations especially when you can medium weave it with light and heavy attacks plus it has a very low cost.
They have the best CC ability in the game .... Mass hysteria
They have the most efficient ultimate in the game .... Incapacitating strike
They have a dodge and expedition ability in one..... Double take
They have the best Instant PVP DPS in the game...... Surprise attack (that also stuns)
I could go on ..... SORCs have streak...... without being sarcastic I do actually see the changes you guys and girls are making to SORCS and thats positive and welcomed but please give us an instant DPS ability for STAMINA. But I love the shield changes and its a good direction to put a stop to obnoxious shield stacking.
From a new active member of the forums I would like to think my two pence goes some distance. This isn't hate or bias opinion, these are facts that are current in the PVP environment.
Stam dragon nights vs stam night blades, I hear people comparing the competiveness of these two classes and I can say that there are many stam night blades capable of beating stam dragon knights and if requested I can post video evidence of it. (this is just to address the delusional arguments that say stam night blades can not beat competitive stam Dks).
@Wrobel stam nightblades damage output potential needs to be toned down. And by that I mean that it is an instant ability with low cost can be medium weaved and can crit up to 12k+ excluding race passives. Other abilities should be addressed the same way.... they need toning down.
Nah, just can't waste time explaining stuff to this one.
*cough* *cough* coming from a night blade player .....(defending your op imbalanced class to the very end will give you grey hairs).
view the rest of the thread wit counter arguments to your arguments. everyone does not want to rehash the same counter points that have been stated numerous times to the type of information you have mentioned. many of us are just over explaining those points since people are either not reading the thread and just posting the same stuff, or they are just complete ignoring the completely valid counter points because it does not suit their argument against. but yes, keep falling back on the crutch of an argument that people are just defending an op class. cause sure that is a valid tactic and argument. We can just trun around and say you cant kill nb so you wan to see them nerfed and around and around that argument goes. it is a circular argument that gets nothing done so leaves those comments out of the discussion.
well ZOS agree to some degree because you've had some changes in PTS notes 2.4.3 .... hate to say i told you so but when all the evidence is clear for you to see its hard to ignore. balance 0 - 1 bias players
FOR ME!??? i wish ! i asked for a stam sorc instant dps class ability but got shafted2 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OK, so I get the damage reduction for Teleport Strike + Morphs since it's more of a utility skill (Ambush for Empower, Lotus for Snare, both for closing the gap)
But why did Death Stroke and Soul Harvest get reduced damage as well? With Incap being changed to Disease damage, it is possible for a Stamina NB to reach some rlly high values here. But Soul Harvest has always been the go to Ultimate for Magicka NB, and the damage values for them were still in the OK levels (basically a one shot Overload)
I'm fine with the changes, but I'd prefer it if the 2.4.3 changes to Death Stroke and Soul Harvest were undone."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU1